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Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion

Started byJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
First post2016-01-03 14:15 -0800
Last post2016-01-15 20:27 -0800
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  Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 14:15 -0800
    Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Kathleen Winder <katwin@mcgatlin.org> - 2016-01-03 22:52 +0000
      Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 16:32 -0800
        Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 17:51 -0800
    Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 14:08 +1100
      Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 14:13 +1100
        Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 10:55 +0100
        Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 09:42 -0800
          Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 12:31 -0800
          Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-11 11:37 +1100
            Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 20:08 -0800
              Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-12 22:16 +1100
                Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 19:48 -0800
                  Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 19:50 -0800
                    Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 19:59 -0800
                  Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 20:01 -0800
                    Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 19:06 -0800
                      Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 19:08 -0800
                        Re: Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 20:27 -0800

#373234 — Perpetual motion vs. absolute motion

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-03 14:15 -0800
SubjectPerpetual motion vs. absolute motion
Message-ID<39ad35c6-168a-45d4-806c-e87c3e7f1c12@googlegroups.com>
Is there any difference?

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#373235

FromKathleen Winder <katwin@mcgatlin.org>
Date2016-01-03 22:52 +0000
Message-ID<n6c8o8$1jkg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#373234
John Gogo wrote:

> Is there any difference?

Are you sure you really want to know it?

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#373550

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-08 16:32 -0800
Message-ID<f6879854-0354-49e4-b224-91f42bfbfd91@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373235
On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 4:55:02 PM UTC-6, Kathleen Winder wrote:
> John Gogo wrote:
> 
> > Is there any difference?
> 
> Are you sure you really want to know it?

Sometimes it's just a waking up- but not really waking up because we were never asleep.  It is more that we now have decided that we will be less stupid and stubborn.  We have to understand when we tell the story of physics- that it is always fluid meaningfully.

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#373557

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-08 17:51 -0800
Message-ID<91fd2e34-2187-4b46-8712-45ed3992490e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373550
On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 4:55:02 PM UTC-6, Kathleen Winder wrote:
> > John Gogo wrote:
> > 
> > > Is there any difference?
> > 
> > Are you sure you really want to know it?
> 
> Sometimes it's just a waking up- but not really waking up because we were never asleep.  It is more that we now have decided that we will be less stupid and stubborn.  We have to understand when we tell the story of physics- that it is always fluid meaningfully.

Whatever model we choose to observe should steer us into an enlightenment not a dark age.

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#373607

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-01-10 14:08 +1100
Message-ID<dfe0a5Fnnj2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#373234
On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> Is there any difference?
>

There's no similarity.

Sylvia.

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#373608

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-01-10 14:13 +1100
Message-ID<dfe0j9Fnp9aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#373607
On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
>> Is there any difference?
>>
>
> There's no similarity.
>
> Sylvia.

Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.

Neither of them exist.

Sylvia.

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#373614

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-10 10:55 +0100
Message-ID<n6t9ku$m1i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#373608
Dne 10/01/2016 v 04:13 Sylvia Else napsal(a):
> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
>>> Is there any difference?
>>>
>>
>> There's no similarity.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> 
> Neither of them exist.

Hmmmm...

Considering the uncertainty principle,
orbital angular momenta of atomic electrons,
and quantum oscillators with non-zero lowest vibration energy,
motion can be perpetual.

In contrary to linear motion being relative,
absolute angular rest and motion can be determined,
within accuracy and sensitivity of equipments.
E.g. interferometers based on Sagnac effect
measure absolute angular velocity.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#373635

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-10 09:42 -0800
Message-ID<abf97a4d-81c1-409f-9b73-441778c300fc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373608
On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> >> Is there any difference?
> >>
> >
> > There's no similarity.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> 
> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> 
> Neither of them exist.
> 
> Sylvia.

In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of measure?   

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#373644

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-10 12:31 -0800
Message-ID<3cfe80be-39f8-4a70-82e5-e5c03f9799a9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373635
On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > >> Is there any difference?
> > >>
> > >
> > > There's no similarity.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> > 
> > Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > 
> > Neither of them exist.
> > 
> > Sylvia.
> 
> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of measure?

Relativity is devoid of absoluteness and perpetuality because these concepts continue to greatly oppress us- and to ignore this is the ONLY way to describe science.  Nevertheless, the absolute and perpetual aspects in nature continue to dominate the limits of our science, whether we choose to acknowledge this reality or not.  It is not the aspect that nature behaves this way- it is more in terms with mankind's limit of instrumentation.

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#373652

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-01-11 11:37 +1100
Message-ID<dfgbpjFblk4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#373635
On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
>>>> Is there any difference?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's no similarity.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
>>
>> Neither of them exist.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where no
> local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion of
> perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of measure?
>

We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no need 
for a caveat.

Sylvia.

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#373732

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-11 20:08 -0800
Message-ID<c8f4a160-b57b-4613-8485-d450033e1937@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373652
On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> >>>> Is there any difference?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There's no similarity.
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia.
> >>
> >> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> >>
> >> Neither of them exist.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where no
> > local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion of
> > perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of measure?
> >
> 
> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no need 
> for a caveat.
> 
> Sylvia.

Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?

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#373750

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-01-12 22:16 +1100
Message-ID<dfk5jpFa5s5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#373732
On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
>>>>>> Is there any difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no similarity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
>>>>
>>>> Neither of them exist.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
>>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
>>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
>>> measure?
>>>
>>
>> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
>> need for a caveat.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
>

I haven't said anything about clocks.

Sylvia.

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#374022

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-14 19:48 -0800
Message-ID<ca9319ff-8da9-41f6-99e4-37b285efbf03@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373750
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's no similarity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> >>>>
> >>>> Neither of them exist.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>
> >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> >>> measure?
> >>>
> >>
> >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> >> need for a caveat.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> >
> 
> I haven't said anything about clocks.
> 
> Sylvia.

Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.

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#374023

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-14 19:50 -0800
Message-ID<e1d34ea7-e43c-4f3e-ae21-9d317a584b10@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374022
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>
> > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > >>> measure?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > >> need for a caveat.
> > >>
> > >> Sylvia.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > >
> > 
> > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > 
> > Sylvia.
> 
> Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.

The main problem is that nobody ever wants to talk about it.

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#374025

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-14 19:59 -0800
Message-ID<7fae031b-7553-49ad-bd9e-169b09d788f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374023
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:50:25 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > > >>> measure?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > > >> need for a caveat.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sylvia.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > > 
> > > Sylvia.
> > 
> > Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.
> 
> The main problem is that nobody ever wants to talk about it.

My main point is this:  as long as all of our measurements are made on Earth and near Earth (Hubble) we truly only operate like "little pea shooters"- instruments which are still crude especially when we refer to the concept of time.

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#374026

Fromjamesl51165@gmail.com
Date2016-01-14 20:01 -0800
Message-ID<fda3f42f-6395-486a-aed4-b3d1f2324fe5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374022
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>
> > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > >>> measure?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > >> need for a caveat.
> > >>
> > >> Sylvia.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > >
> > 
> > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > 
> > Sylvia.
> 
> Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.

What is the example of what is not perpetual motion?

Science's "Inertia" doesn't stop without friction.

A pendulum swing in the mind is a revealer for what God is doing by His gravity force. "Feel the Force..." A swinging pendulum has an Earth G.

There is no conflict scientific for the existence of perpetual motion. It is the norm instead through inertia's definition... but you add friction... and it's the problem.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#374104

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-15 19:06 -0800
Message-ID<046e733b-8a07-4627-8959-039de59196bb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374026
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 10:01:04 PM UTC-6, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > > >>> measure?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > > >> need for a caveat.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sylvia.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > > 
> > > Sylvia.
> > 
> > Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.
> 
> What is the example of what is not perpetual motion?
> 
> Science's "Inertia" doesn't stop without friction.
> 
> A pendulum swing in the mind is a revealer for what God is doing by His gravity force. "Feel the Force..." A swinging pendulum has an Earth G.
> 
> There is no conflict scientific for the existence of perpetual motion. It is the norm instead through inertia's definition... but you add friction... and it's the problem.
> 
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

Yes, it should be the norm.  Anything that we can derive through friction, inertia, or energy is man's ability to leverage himself out of this absolution- to manage a relativity of motion.

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#374105

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-15 19:08 -0800
Message-ID<e1666259-b535-474c-aeec-8836c0c4afdb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374104
On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 9:06:17 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 10:01:04 PM UTC-6, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > > > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > > > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > > > >>> measure?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > > > >> need for a caveat.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sylvia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > > > 
> > > > Sylvia.
> > > 
> > > Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.
> > 
> > What is the example of what is not perpetual motion?
> > 
> > Science's "Inertia" doesn't stop without friction.
> > 
> > A pendulum swing in the mind is a revealer for what God is doing by His gravity force. "Feel the Force..." A swinging pendulum has an Earth G.
> > 
> > There is no conflict scientific for the existence of perpetual motion. It is the norm instead through inertia's definition... but you add friction... and it's the problem.
> > 
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> Yes, it should be the norm.  Anything that we can derive through friction, inertia, or energy is man's ability to leverage himself out of this absolution- to manage a relativity of motion.

The student should be taught this obvious and most profound obstacle- and consider these limitations seriously when they perform their experiments.

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#374107

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-15 20:27 -0800
Message-ID<6d2ff6e6-c30f-4be1-92bf-798d5692061a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#374105
On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 9:06:17 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 10:01:04 PM UTC-6, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > On 12/01/2016 3:08 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > >> On 11/01/2016 4:42 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 10/01/2016 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On 4/01/2016 9:15 AM, John Gogo wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> Is there any difference?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> There's no similarity.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sylvia.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Oh wait, I was wrong. There is a similarity.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Neither of them exist.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In terms of the measuring objects which are observed but where
> > > > > >>> no local clocks exist- are we able to rid ourselves the notion
> > > > > >>> of perpetual motion where there is no beginning or end of
> > > > > >>> measure?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> We can rid ourselves of the notion of perpetual motion. There's no
> > > > > >> need for a caveat.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sylvia.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you saying that our clocks are now evolved enough to rid
> > > > > > ourselves of the  problem of objects which "show" no beginning or
> > > > > > end- yet we have no man-made clock stationed there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't said anything about clocks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > 
> > > > Feel free to say anything when it comes to perpetual and absolute motion.
> > > 
> > > What is the example of what is not perpetual motion?
> > > 
> > > Science's "Inertia" doesn't stop without friction.
> > > 
> > > A pendulum swing in the mind is a revealer for what God is doing by His gravity force. "Feel the Force..." A swinging pendulum has an Earth G.
> > > 
> > > There is no conflict scientific for the existence of perpetual motion. It is the norm instead through inertia's definition... but you add friction... and it's the problem.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> > Yes, it should be the norm.  Anything that we can derive through friction, inertia, or energy is man's ability to leverage himself out of this absolution- to manage a relativity of motion.
> 
> The student should be taught this obvious and most profound obstacle- and consider these limitations seriously when they perform their experiments.

Coordination is the goal of these unsynched extremely accurate separated clocks.  

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