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  by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 10:32 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 11:02 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 11:31 -0700
        Re: by albert einstein Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 13:36 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:49 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 14:07 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 14:35 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-10 23:22 +0000
                  Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:34 -0700
                    Re: by albert einstein Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-10 23:57 +0000
                      Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 19:36 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 18:43 -0700
                  Re: by albert einstein Prudence Hofmeister <phow@innfldo.sp> - 2017-08-11 17:34 +0000
                  Re: by albert einstein JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 11:37 -0700
                    Re: by albert einstein Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 12:43 -0700
                      Re: by albert einstein Prudence Oppenheimer <phow@innfldo.sp> - 2017-08-11 20:00 +0000
      Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 11:46 -0700
        Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 16:54 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-10 19:26 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 22:24 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 11:23 -0700
                  Re: by albert einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:34 -0500
                  Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 12:34 -0700
                    Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 15:40 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-11 09:54 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-11 22:07 -0700
            by albert einstein "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-13 07:34 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-13 12:26 -0700
            Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 11:10 -0700
            Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-13 12:03 -0700
              Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 15:39 -0400
                Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 13:11 -0700
                  Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 16:17 -0400
                    Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-13 13:46 -0700
                  Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-13 17:04 -0400
                    Re: " the complete enslavement of the individual " -- Albert Einstein. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 19:43 -0400
          Re: by albert einstein Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 08:02 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-12 13:51 +0200
        Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 11:25 -0700
          Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-12 22:41 +0200
            Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 14:08 -0700
            Re: by albert einstein "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 18:01 -0400
              Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 18:04 -0700
                Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 18:36 -0700
                  Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 19:15 -0700
                  Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-12 20:26 -0700
                    Re: by albert einstein "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-12 21:19 -0700
                      Re: by albert einstein "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-12 21:24 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-13 20:32 +0200
                Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-13 12:16 -0700
              Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-13 21:05 +0200
                Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-14 13:16 -0700
                  Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-15 10:21 +0200
                    Re: by albert einstein Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-15 12:08 -0700
                      Re: by albert einstein "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-15 14:35 -0700
                      Re: by albert einstein Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-16 08:19 +0200
        Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-12 13:06 -0700
    Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2017-08-13 11:20 -0400
      Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-13 10:19 -0700
        Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices. Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-13 11:08 -0700
    Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-23 10:42 -0700
      Re: by albert einstein The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:33 -0700

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#428454

Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
>
> "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
>> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
>>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
>>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
>>>
>>> Hägar wrote:
>>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
>>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
>>> penned Obama's two books.
>>>
>>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
>>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
>>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
>>> of those carpet baggers.
>>>
>>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
>>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
>>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
>>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
>>
> "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
>> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
>> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
>> could not do.
>> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
>>
> hanson wrote:
> Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> Here, for your benefit, are some more
> <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
>

I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the 
difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write 
in German).

The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and 
there are way more English words than German.

German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because 
they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to 
pronounce correctly (like 'ü').

So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could 
also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes 
are typical for Germans and for English.

For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the 
people living there are male singular (the German).
The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly 
the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.

So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are 
used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them 
long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.

 From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if 
there is no accent.

But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher 
von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.

Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that 
Einstein could not have written it (himself).

But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a 
text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was 
translated by a professional translator.


TH

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#428456

"Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
>> "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
>>> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
>>>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
>>>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
>>>>
>>>> Hägar wrote:
>>>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
>>>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
>>>> penned Obama's two books.
>>>>
>>>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
>>>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
>>>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery 
>>>> rhetoric
>>>> of those carpet baggers.
>>>>
>>>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
>>>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
>>>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
>>>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
>>>
>> "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
>>> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
>>> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
>>> could not do.
>>> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
>> or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
>> spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
>> Here, for your benefit, are some more
>> <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
>>
"Thomas Heger" wrote:
> I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the difficulties 
> for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write in German).
>
> The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and 
> there are way more English words than German.
>
> German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because 
> they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to 
> pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
>
> So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could 
> also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes 
> are typical for Germans and for English.
>
> For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the 
> people living there are male singular (the German).
> The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly the 
> neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
>
> So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are used 
> to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them long 
> after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
>
> From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if there 
> is no accent.
>
> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher von 
> Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>
> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that Einstein 
> could not have written it (himself).
>
> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a text 
> of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was translated 
> by a professional translator.
>
hanson wrote:
Thomas, alter Knabe, der kurze Sinn Deines langen Post's  ist
offensichtlich. Schweigen währe Gold für Dich gewesen.
Geniesse das Wochenende, und bleibe ein  gute Landser.
Wiederschaun'
hanson

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#428459

In article <ev97f6Fdnt1U1@mid.individual.net>, ttt_heg@web.de says...
> 
> Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
> >
> > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> >>>
> >>> Hägar wrote:
> >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> >>> penned Obama's two books.
> >>>
> >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
> >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> >>> of those carpet baggers.
> >>>
> >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> >>
> > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
> >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> >> could not do.
> >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> >>
> > hanson wrote:
> > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> > Here, for your benefit, are some more
> > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> >
> 
> I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the 
> difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write 
> in German).
> 
> The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and 
> there are way more English words than German.
> 
> German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because 
> they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to 
> pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
> 
> So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could 
> also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes 
> are typical for Germans and for English.
> 
> For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the 
> people living there are male singular (the German).
>
> The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly 
> the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
> 
> So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are 
> used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them 
> long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
> 
>  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if 
> there is no accent.
> 
> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher 
> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
> 
> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that 
> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> 
> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a 
> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was 
> translated by a professional translator.

I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than 
yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to 
_writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.

If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic 
grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when 
one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b) 
hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet, 
and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such 
errors can be easily eliminated.

Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a 
different question--he was an expert on physics, not government.  Expertise 
in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.

However I suspect you know all this and are just trolling for an argument.

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#428469

J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> In article <ev97f6Fdnt1U1@mid.individual.net>, ttt_heg@web.de says...
> >
> > Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
> > >
> > > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> > >>>
> > >>> Hägar wrote:
> > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> > >>> penned Obama's two books.
> > >>>
> > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
> > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> > >>> of those carpet baggers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> > >>
> > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
> > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> > >> could not do.
> > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> > >>
> > > hanson wrote:
> > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> > > Here, for your benefit, are some more
> > > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> > >
> >
> > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the
> > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write
> > in German).
> >
> > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and
> > there are way more English words than German.
> >
> > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because
> > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to
> > pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
> >
> > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could
> > also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes
> > are typical for Germans and for English.
> >
> > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the
> > people living there are male singular (the German).
> >
> > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly
> > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
> >
> > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are
> > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them
> > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
> >
> >  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if
> > there is no accent.
> >
> > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
> > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
> >
> > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
> > Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> >
> > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
> > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
> > translated by a professional translator.
> 
> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
> 
> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such
> errors can be easily eliminated.
> 
> Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a
> different question--he was an expert on physics, not government.  Expertise
> in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.
> 


'government expert'?? ,  i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a
'government expert'????

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#428471

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > In article <ev97f6Fdnt1U1@mid.individual.net>, ttt_heg@web.de says...
> > >
> > > Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
> > > >
> > > > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> > > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> > > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> > > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hägar wrote:
> > > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> > > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> > > >>> penned Obama's two books.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> > > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
> > > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> > > >>> of those carpet baggers.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> > > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> > > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> > > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> > > >>
> > > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
> > > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> > > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> > > >> could not do.
> > > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> > > >>
> > > > hanson wrote:
> > > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> > > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> > > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> > > > Here, for your benefit, are some more
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the
> > > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write
> > > in German).
> > >
> > > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and
> > > there are way more English words than German.
> > >
> > > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because
> > > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to
> > > pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
> > >
> > > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could
> > > also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes
> > > are typical for Germans and for English.
> > >
> > > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the
> > > people living there are male singular (the German).
> > >
> > > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly
> > > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
> > >
> > > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are
> > > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them
> > > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
> > >
> > >  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if
> > > there is no accent.
> > >
> > > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
> > > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
> > >
> > > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
> > > Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> > >
> > > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
> > > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
> > > translated by a professional translator.
> >
> > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> > yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
> >
> > If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> > grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> > one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> > hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> > and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such
> > errors can be easily eliminated.
> >
> > Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a
> > different question--he was an expert on physics, not government.  Expertise
> > in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.
> >
> 
> 'government expert'?? ,  i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a
> 'government expert'????


Einstein was certaintly a communist expert:

the first item in Einstein's file, in 1932, arguing that Einstein should not be allowed into the United States. 
''Not even Stalin himself'' was affiliated with so many anarchic-Communist groups, the letter said.

http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/_Einstein/fbi_files/1.pdf

https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein/Albert%20Einstein%20Part%201%20of%2014/view


Manifesto of the Communist Party: Special Collector's Edition with Foreward By Albert Einstein
Karl Marx; Friedrich Engels
https://www.abebooks.com/9781936828128/Manifesto-Communist-Party-Special-Collectors-193682812X/plp

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#428473

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <ev97f6Fdnt1U1@mid.individual.net>, ttt_heg@web.de says...
> > > >
> > > > Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
> > > > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> > > > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> > > > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hägar wrote:
> > > > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> > > > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> > > > >>> penned Obama's two books.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> > > > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other
> > > > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> > > > >>> of those carpet baggers.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> > > > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> > > > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> > > > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> > > > >>
> > > > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
> > > > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> > > > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> > > > >> could not do.
> > > > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> > > > >>
> > > > > hanson wrote:
> > > > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
> > > > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
> > > > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
> > > > > Here, for your benefit, are some more
> > > > > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the
> > > > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write
> > > > in German).
> > > >
> > > > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and
> > > > there are way more English words than German.
> > > >
> > > > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because
> > > > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to
> > > > pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
> > > >
> > > > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could
> > > > also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes
> > > > are typical for Germans and for English.
> > > >
> > > > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the
> > > > people living there are male singular (the German).
> > > >
> > > > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly
> > > > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
> > > >
> > > > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are
> > > > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them
> > > > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
> > > >
> > > >  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if
> > > > there is no accent.
> > > >
> > > > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
> > > > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
> > > >
> > > > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
> > > > Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> > > >
> > > > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
> > > > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
> > > > translated by a professional translator.
> > >
> > > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> > > yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> > > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
> > >
> > > If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> > > grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> > > one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> > > hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> > > and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such
> > > errors can be easily eliminated.
> > >
> > > Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a
> > > different question--he was an expert on physics, not government.  Expertise
> > > in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.
> > >
> >
> > 'government expert'?? ,  i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a
> > 'government expert'????
> 
> Einstein was certaintly a communist expert:
> 
> the first item in Einstein's file, in 1932, arguing that Einstein should not be allowed into the United States.
> ''Not even Stalin himself'' was affiliated with so many anarchic-Communist groups, the letter said.
> 
> http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/_Einstein/fbi_files/1.pdf
> 
> https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein/Albert%20Einstein%20Part%201%20of%2014/view
> 
> Manifesto of the Communist Party: Special Collector's Edition with Foreward By Albert Einstein
> Karl Marx; Friedrich Engels
> https://www.abebooks.com/9781936828128/Manifesto-Communist-Party-Special-Collectors-193682812X/plp



Albert Einstein,  was offered the presidency of Israel in 1952  but turned it down, stating 
"I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of Israel [to serve as President], and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it.




I guess Israel was thinking..."We could use a guy like Einstein who loves to build bombs."


"WE WOULD OWN THE WORLD!"



I wouldn't have been suprised if Einstein would have fled to Russia and drop the bomb on The United States...


He didn't like Capitalism and he didn't like American Women...


I think he has a thing for...Russian women.

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#428476

"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
 > The Starmaker wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> says...
>> > > hanson schrieb:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Thomas Heger" <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote
>> > > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
>> > > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message 
>> > > >>> news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
>> > > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Hägar wrote:
>> > > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
>> > > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
>> > > >>> penned Obama's two books.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
>> > > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the 
>> > > >>> other
>> > > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery 
>> > > >>> rhetoric
>> > > >>> of those carpet baggers.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
>> > > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
>> > > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
>> > > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
>> > > >>
>> > > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote:
>> > > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in 
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what 
>> > > >> Einstein
>> > > >> could not do.
>> > > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by 
>> > > >> him.
>> > > >>
>> > > > hanson wrote:
>> > > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar?
>> > > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a
>> > > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? ..
>> > > > Here, for your benefit, are some more
>> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
>> > > >
"Thomas Heger" wrote:
>> > > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the
>> > > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to 
>> > > write
>> > > in German).
>> > > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions 
>> > > and
>> > > there are way more English words than German.
>> > > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, 
>> > > because
>> > > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to
>> > > pronounce correctly (like 'ü').
>> > > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I 
>> > > could
>> > > also see the differences in the written language, since certain 
>> > > mistakes
>> > > are typical for Germans and for English.
>> > > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and 
>> > > the
>> > > people living there are male singular (the German).
>> > > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly
>> > > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural.
>> > > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are
>> > > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep 
>> > > them
>> > > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly.
>> > >  From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if
>> > > there is no accent.
>> > > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. 
>> > > Wernher
>> > > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>> > > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>> > > Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>> > > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>> > > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>> > > translated by a professional translator.
>> >
hanson wrote:
>>> Thomas, alter Knabe, der kurze Sinn Deines langen Post's  ist
>>> offensichtlich. Schweigen währe Gold für Dich gewesen.
>>> Geniesse das Wochenende, und bleibe ein  gute Landser.
>>> Wiederschaun'
>>>
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
>> > yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
>> > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>> >
>> > If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
>> > grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and 
>> > when
>> > one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, 
>> > (b)
>> > hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to 
>> > vet,
>> > and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, 
>> > such
>> > errors can be easily eliminated.
>> > Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight 
>> > is a
>> > different question--he was an expert on physics, not government. 
>> > Expertise
>> > in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another.
>>
> The Starmaker wrote:
>> 'government expert'?? ,  i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a
>> 'government expert'????

The Starmaker wrote:
Einstein was certaintly a communist expert:
>
The first item in Einstein's FBI file, in 1932, argues that
Einstein should not be allowed into the United States.
''Not even Stalin himself'' was affiliated with so many
anarchic-Communist groups, the letter said.
>
<http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/_Einstein/fbi_files/1.pdf>
>
<https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein/Albert%20Einstein%20Part%201%20of%2014/view>
>
Manifesto of the Communist Party: Special Collector's  Edition
with Foreward By Albert Einstein Karl Marx; Friedrich Engels
<https://www.abebooks.com/9781936828128/Manifesto-Communist-Party-Special-Collectors-193682812X/plp>
>
Albert Einstein,  was offered the presidency of Israel in 1952
but turned it down, stating "I am deeply moved by the offer
from our State of Israel [to serve as President], and at once
saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it.>
>
I guess Israel was thinking..."We could use a guy like Einstein
who loves to build bombs." "WE WOULD OWN THE WORLD!"
>
I wouldn't have been suprised if Einstein would have fled to
Russia and drop the bomb on The United States...
He didn't like Capitalism and he didn't like American Women...
I think he has a thing for...Russian women.
>
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... Starmaker, your tripe is a very good
addition to <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>.
After all, Einstein was an AshkenNazi Khazar whose ilk
flooded first Russia (and fucked it up) and then filtered
into Western Europe (and fucked it up) & then floated
across the Atlantic to infest the USA where they became
a horde of mooches who whored this Nation down to the
point which gave cause for the rise of Trump...
....

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#428477

hanson wrote: 
.... ahahahaha... Starmaker, your tripe is a very good 
addition to <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>. 
After all, Einstein was an AshkenNazi Khazar whose ilk 
flooded first Russia (and fucked it up) and then filtered 
into Western Europe (and fucked it up) & then floated 
across the Atlantic to infest the USA where they became 
a horde of mooches who whored this Nation down to the 
point which gave cause for the rise of Trump... 

I do Not Believe Dual Citizenship Israelis should be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR OUR GOVERNMENT. 
No dual Citizen should be allowed a government taxpayer funded salary or any legislative lobbyist position 

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#428478

hanson wrote: 
.... ahahahaha... Starmaker, your tripe is a very good 
addition to <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>. 
After all, Einstein was an AshkenNazi Khazar whose ilk 
flooded first Russia (and fucked it up) and then filtered 
into Western Europe (and fucked it up) & then floated 
across the Atlantic to infest the USA where they became 
a horde of mooches who whored this Nation down to the 
point which gave cause for the rise of Trump... 

I do Not Believe Dual Citizenship Israelis should be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR OUR GOVERNMENT. 
No dual Citizen should be allowed a government taxpayer funded salary position or any legislative lobbyist position 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=asGvjbfIASA

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#428544

Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:

>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>
>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>> translated by a professional translator.
>
> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.


listen yourself:

"Albert Einstein (stock footage / archival footage)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OamFZCFfQkg

"Albert Einstein Interview 1940 "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Z3SkEGh2M


"Albert Einstein Talking "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsiU2_PaSTQ


TH

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#428549

Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:
> 
> >> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
> >> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
> >>
> >> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
> >> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
> >> translated by a professional translator.
> >
> > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> > yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
> 
> listen yourself:
> 
> "Albert Einstein (stock footage / archival footage)"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OamFZCFfQkg
> 
> "Albert Einstein Interview 1940 "
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Z3SkEGh2M
> 
> "Albert Einstein Talking "
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsiU2_PaSTQ
> 
> TH


You need to come from...understanding.


First Einstein wanted to submit an article..

so he had to first write or dictate it..

then it needs to be checked for correct speling...
(that would take a lot from a person's personality)

then it needs to be grammar checked..
(even i would become unrecognizable then)

by the time it gets to publication...


Neverless, the essence is there.


Have you ever seen the letter einstein wrote to fdr before it was completed?

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/news_uploads/Einstein-letter.jpg

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#428548

Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:

>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>
>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>
>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>> translated by a professional translator.
>
> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>
> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such
> errors can be easily eliminated.

I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or 
writing) English:

"5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im 
Englischen"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY


Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the 
speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.

It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in 
grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.

So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.

But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes 
English as a second language.

So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker. 
And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a 
voice.

If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a 
text as identical, otherwise not.


TH

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#428737

"Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evbm76FbltU1@mid.individual.net...

Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:

>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>
>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>
>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>> translated by a professional translator.
>
> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>
> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet,
> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, 
> such
> errors can be easily eliminated.

I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or
writing) English:

"5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im
Englischen"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY


Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the
speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.

It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in
grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.

So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.

But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes
English as a second language.

So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker.
And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a
voice.

If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a
text as identical, otherwise not.


TH


*** Very good, Thomas, but the video clip is representative of the
recently divorced (from the EU) Queen's English, rather than its
American relative, and several of the iterations do not apply here.
But yes, there is confusion in German to English translations, as
shown here:  Englisch für Fortgeschrittene (English for Runaways)

https://www.facebook.com/ErinnerstDuDichNoch/videos/1412935475487219/

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#428823

Am 14.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Hägar:
> "Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evbm76FbltU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:
>
>>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>>
>>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>>
>>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>>> translated by a professional translator.
>>
>> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
>> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
>> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>>
>> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
>> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
>> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
>> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to
>> vet,
>> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor,
>> such
>> errors can be easily eliminated.
>
> I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or
> writing) English:
>
> "5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im
> Englischen"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY
>
>
> Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the
> speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.
>
> It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in
> grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.
>
> So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.
>
> But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes
> English as a second language.
>
> So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker.
> And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a
> voice.
>
> If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a
> text as identical, otherwise not.
>
>
> TH
>
>
> *** Very good, Thomas, but the video clip is representative of the
> recently divorced (from the EU) Queen's English, rather than its
> American relative, and several of the iterations do not apply here.
> But yes, there is confusion in German to English translations, as
> shown here:  Englisch für Fortgeschrittene (English for Runaways)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ErinnerstDuDichNoch/videos/1412935475487219/
>
>

There are less problems for German with the English language than for 
English speakers with German.

Many people from England have a strong accent for all their life, even 
if they live in Germany forever.

English make certain errors, because they base their German on different 
linguistic concepts of the English language.

E.g. the phrase 'German' can mean several different things:

German language
person from German
citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany
speaker of the German language
the people of Germany
all German speakers

In German these has all different words.

So if someone mixes 'Speaker of the German language' with 'Citizen of 
the FRG', we know with some degree of certainty, this person is from 
England, even if the German pronunciation is perfect.

TH

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#428872

"Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evfp7gFsej8U1@mid.individual.net...

Am 14.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Hägar:
> "Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evbm76FbltU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:
>
>>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>>
>>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>>
>>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>>> translated by a professional translator.
>>
>> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
>> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
>> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>>
>> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
>> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when
>> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b)
>> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to
>> vet,
>> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor,
>> such
>> errors can be easily eliminated.
>
> I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or
> writing) English:
>
> "5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im
> Englischen"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY
>
>
> Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the
> speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.
>
> It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in
> grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.
>
> So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.
>
> But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes
> English as a second language.
>
> So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker.
> And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a
> voice.
>
> If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a
> text as identical, otherwise not.
>
>
> TH
>
>
> *** Very good, Thomas, but the video clip is representative of the
> recently divorced (from the EU) Queen's English, rather than its
> American relative, and several of the iterations do not apply here.
> But yes, there is confusion in German to English translations, as
> shown here:  Englisch für Fortgeschrittene (English for Runaways)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ErinnerstDuDichNoch/videos/1412935475487219/
>
>

There are less problems for German with the English language than for
English speakers with German.

Many people from England have a strong accent for all their life, even
if they live in Germany forever.

English make certain errors, because they base their German on different
linguistic concepts of the English language.

E.g. the phrase 'German' can mean several different things:

German language
person from German
citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany
speaker of the German language
the people of Germany
all German speakers

In German these has all different words.

So if someone mixes 'Speaker of the German language' with 'Citizen of
the FRG', we know with some degree of certainty, this person is from
England, even if the German pronunciation is perfect.

TH


*** Not only that, but Germans are renowned to take two or three
stand alone words and then string them together to make a single
new  one, like this: "Eisenbahnschrankenanwärter".
Ach, die verfluchte Deutscge Sprache ... 

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#428901

"Hägar" <hsahm@yahoo.com> wrote:
 in message news:3_WdnSxVTZ4v2w7EnZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evfp7gFsej8U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Am 14.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Hägar:
>> "Thomas Heger"  wrote in message news:evbm76FbltU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Am 13.08.2017 um 00:01 schrieb J. Clarke:
>>
>>>> But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher
>>>> von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well.
>>>>
>>>> Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that
>>>> Einstein could not have written it (himself).
>>>>
>>>> But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a
>>>> text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was
>>>> translated by a professional translator.
>>>
>>> I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than
>>> yours.  I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to
>>> _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious.
>>>
>>> If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic
>>> grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and 
>>> when
>>> one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, 
>>> (b)
>>> hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to
>>> vet,
>>> and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor,
>>> such
>>> errors can be easily eliminated.
>>
>> I found this nice video about typical German errors in speaking (or
>> writing) English:
>>
>> "5 (more) mistakes made by Germans in English - 5 häufige Fehler im
>> Englischen"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkZU-_xikY
>>
>>
>> Something along this line would allow to estimate the origin of the
>> speaker and how good someone can speak a foreign language.
>>
>> It is mainly not the accent in a written text, but typical errors in
>> grammar, that are characteristic for the origin of the author.
>>
>> So you are actually correct and 'accent' was the wrong word.
>>
>> But which wrong word I use is typical for me as a German, who writes
>> English as a second language.
>>
>> So these errors are, what we recognize as personal style of the speaker.
>> And this style we can compare with a kind of 'picture' we have about a
>> voice.
>>
>> If these impressions match, we regard the person and the author of a
>> text as identical, otherwise not.
>>
>>
>> TH
>>
Hägar wrote:
>> *** Very good, Thomas, but the video clip is representative of the
>> recently divorced (from the EU) Queen's English, rather than its
>> American relative, and several of the iterations do not apply here.
>> But yes, there is confusion in German to English translations, as
>> shown here:  Englisch für Fortgeschrittene (English for Runaways)
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/ErinnerstDuDichNoch/videos/1412935475487219/
>>
>>
Thomas wrote:
> There are less problems for German with the English language than for
> English speakers with German.
>
> Many people from England have a strong accent for all their life, even
> if they live in Germany forever.
>
> English make certain errors, because they base their German on different
> linguistic concepts of the English language.
>
> E.g. the phrase 'German' can mean several different things:
>
> German language
> person from German
> citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany
> speaker of the German language
> the people of Germany
> all German speakers
>
> In German these has all different words.
>
> So if someone mixes 'Speaker of the German language' with 'Citizen of
> the FRG', we know with some degree of certainty, this person is from
> England, even if the German pronunciation is perfect.
>
> TH
>
Hägar wrote:
> *** Not only that, but Germans are renowned to take two or three
> stand alone words and then string them together to make a single
> new  one, like this: "Eisenbahnschrankenanwärter".
> Ach, die verfluchte Deutscge Sprache ...
hanson wrote:
Right, but it's poetry in motion of a bygone age
where folks strolling on the sidewalk were doing
it on the "Hochgehbürgersteigweg", ... yet being
outdone by their Southern neighbors, the Swiss,
who refer to a kitchen cabinet as "Chuchichäschtli"
or to greasy Quiche as "öhlchääschüächli".
That frequent "ch" sounds like the Hebe-Yiddish one.
Hey, different strokes by different folks, n'est pas.

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#428958

Am 15.08.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Hägar:

> There are less problems for German with the English language than for
> English speakers with German.
>
> Many people from England have a strong accent for all their life, even
> if they live in Germany forever.
>
> English make certain errors, because they base their German on different
> linguistic concepts of the English language.
>
> E.g. the phrase 'German' can mean several different things:
>
> German language
> person from German
> citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany
> speaker of the German language
> the people of Germany
> all German speakers
>
> In German these has all different words.
>
> So if someone mixes 'Speaker of the German language' with 'Citizen of
> the FRG', we know with some degree of certainty, this person is from
> England, even if the German pronunciation is perfect.
>
> TH
>
>
> *** Not only that, but Germans are renowned to take two or three
> stand alone words and then string them together to make a single
> new  one, like this: "Eisenbahnschrankenanwärter".
> Ach, die verfluchte Deutscge Sprache ...

Well, yes, even if the word is 'Schrankenwärter'.

But there are tricky differences in the languages and such difficulties 
cause linguistic errors.

So I -for instance- make several errors in English, even if I can speak 
that language quite well.

But Einstein spoke poor English with a heavy German accent and slow, 
even if he was reading his speech from a sheet of paper.

So I we would expect a certain amount of 'Germanic' mistakes, if he 
wrote an English text.

Only no such errors can be found in the quoted text. Therefore I assume, 
that Einstein had not written it, but someone else.


TH

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#428445

Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar:
> > "The Starmaker"  wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com...
> > https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
> >
> >
> > *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by
> > a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who
> > penned Obama's two books.
> >
> > Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or
> > orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class.  Obama, on the other
> > hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric
> > of those carpet baggers.
> >
> > Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat
> > od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there
> > to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life.
> > You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack.
> 
> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the
> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein
> could not do.
> 
> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him.
> 
> There are always questions about authorship of a certain text, since
> 'the elite' provides also books, which the member elitists could claim
> authorship for.
> 
> This is similar to other realms in arts and science, where usually the
> 'big animal' demands all the fame and leaves the annoying work to others.
> 
> So painters should paint and singers should sing - without possible
> assistance from behind the curtains.
> 
> Some did and failed ('Milli Vanilli' for instance).
> 
> Therefore such public exams are no longer in use and we have to buy
> things as presented.
> 
> TH


Do you prefer the Spanish translation?

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#428524 — Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices.

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 05:23:45 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me  @. wrote:

>
>In " Why Socialism ? ", by Albert Einstein, May 1949 
>  https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ 
>Einstein both starts and ends with:  Why Socialism ? 
>
>In the end, he asks: ?? 
>
>  How can [a] COUNTERWEIGHT to the power of bureaucracy be assured ? 
>
>  Clarity about the aims and PROBLEMS of socialism is  
>  of greatest significance in our age of transition. ??  
>
>Captialism is the COUNTERWEIGHT ( to the power of bureaucracy ). 
>Without capitalism, you have no real say, no _real_ vote. 
>One dollar, One vote; No dollars, No _real_ votes. 
>
>Communist slaves in China have two choices: 
>
> 1. Work for the state, with state housing.  Or:  
> 2. Work for the state, in a "ReEducation camp" ( jail ). 
>
>With luck, this won't change; otherwise, I couldn't afford their stuff. 
>In " Why Socialism ? ", by Albert Einstein, May 1949 https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ Einstein both starts and ends with: Why Socialism ? In the end, he asks: ?? How can [a] COUNTERWEIGHT to the power of bureaucracy be assured ? Clarity about the aims and PROBLEMS of socialism is of greatest significance in our age of transition. ?? Captialism is the COUNTERWEIGHT ( to the power of bureaucracy ). Without capitalism, you have no real say, no _real_ vote. One dollar, One vote; No dollars, No _real_ votes. Communist slaves in China have two choices: 1. Work for the state, with state housing. Or: 2. Work for the state, in a "ReEducation camp" ( jail ). With luck, this won't change; otherwise, I couldn't afford their stuff. 

Einstein was a Communist traitor. The reason that his name has been
made synonymous with high intelligence is not because he was actually
that smart, but because the media and the "scholars," who are
increasingly radical on the left, love to propagandize and glorify one
of their own.

To Hell with parasites, to Hell with the left.

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#428528 — Re: Communist slaves in China have two choices.

On 8/13/17, 8:20 AM, in article 5fr0pc9bcp0o5e38amrfrl3q8in48aba9h@4ax.com,
"Doomsdrzej" <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 05:23:45 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me  @. wrote:
> 
>> 
>> In " Why Socialism ? ", by Albert Einstein, May 1949
>>  https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
>> Einstein both starts and ends with:  Why Socialism ?
>> 
>> In the end, he asks: ??
>> 
>>  How can [a] COUNTERWEIGHT to the power of bureaucracy be assured ?
>> 
>>  Clarity about the aims and PROBLEMS of socialism is
>>  of greatest significance in our age of transition. ??
>> 
>> Captialism is the COUNTERWEIGHT ( to the power of bureaucracy ).
>> Without capitalism, you have no real say, no _real_ vote.
>> One dollar, One vote; No dollars, No _real_ votes.
>> 
>> Communist slaves in China have two choices:
>> 
>> 1. Work for the state, with state housing.  Or:
>> 2. Work for the state, in a "ReEducation camp" ( jail ).
>> 
>> With luck, this won't change; otherwise, I couldn't afford their stuff.
>> In " Why Socialism ? ", by Albert Einstein, May 1949
>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ Einstein both starts and
>> ends with: Why Socialism ? In the end, he asks: ?? How can [a] COUNTERWEIGHT
>> to the power of bureaucracy be assured ? Clarity about the aims and PROBLEMS
>> of socialism is of greatest significance in our age of transition. ??
>> Captialism is the COUNTERWEIGHT ( to the power of bureaucracy ). Without
>> capitalism, you have no real say, no _real_ vote. One dollar, One vote; No
>> dollars, No _real_ votes. Communist slaves in China have two choices: 1. Work
>> for the state, with state housing. Or: 2. Work for the state, in a
>> "ReEducation camp" ( jail ). With luck, this won't change; otherwise, I
>> couldn't afford their stuff.
> 
> Einstein was a Communist traitor. The reason that his name has been
> made synonymous with high intelligence is not because he was actually
> that smart, but because the media and the "scholars," who are
> increasingly radical on the left, love to propagandize and glorify one
> of their own.
> 
> To Hell with parasites, to Hell with the left.

Communist? "One of their own"? Not smart?

LOL!

Wow... you really are insane. Wait... he did not look like you and you do
not see him as one of "yours" -- thus he does not deserve the special
entitlements you demand.

Got it!

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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