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| Started by | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:25 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 15:56 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:39 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:46 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 00:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:22 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 06:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:35 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 12:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 00:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 09:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 00:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-15 15:17 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 12:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-11 20:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. |
| Message-ID | <233ksap0mvl5gcrnmmnsarpvn4mne6p8qs@4ax.com> |
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:29:15 -0700, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> wrote: >On 4/24/2015 10:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. > >In what way is that a criticism? Explain. Ignoring, for the moment, the inappropriate cross-posting between alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity - atheism is based on neither beliefs nor science. We're simply not theists - that's all, When one has no reason to believe something, then one doesn't. Because we are outside the theist's religion, we cannot be described according to presumptions only granted inside it. Which is the biggest reason theists always get our position wrong.
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ov3ksahekjf83p7epbc7795m33homlrlh3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #360325 |
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 08:06:39 -0700, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> wrote: >On 8/11/2015 7:58 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:29:15 -0700, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois >> <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4/24/2015 10:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. >>> >>> In what way is that a criticism? Explain. >> >> Ignoring, for the moment, the inappropriate cross-posting between >> alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics and >> sci.physics.relativity - atheism is based on neither beliefs nor >> science. > >Of course it's based on beliefs, whether positive or negative. Strong >atheists believe there is no god. Weak atheists don't believe in any >god (a negative belief - they have beliefs, but absent from them is a >belief in a god.) I knew I shouldn't have replied. But... Is "not collecting stamps" a negative hobby on your planet? But in any case, the word "god" doesn't even mean the same to atheists as theists. "No god" is just a throwaway remark in the same vein as "no fairies at the bottom of the garden", "no ghosts", "no UFO abductions", etc. What do you imagine qualifies you to tell atheists you know our position on these things better than we do ourselves? >Stop spewing nonsense. Where did I do that, troll? <plonk>
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqd9ou$pl7$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360331 |
In article <mqd3fp$j6s$2@dont-email.me>, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> said: > On 8/11/2015 8:14 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote: > >> I knew I shouldn't have replied. >> >> But... > > But you can't help but be reflexively stupid. Oh look a troll, yawn -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqd44a$mb5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360325 |
On 2015-08-11 11:06 PM, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois wrote: > On 8/11/2015 7:58 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:29:15 -0700, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois >> <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4/24/2015 10:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. >>> >>> In what way is that a criticism? Explain. >> >> Ignoring, for the moment, the inappropriate cross-posting between >> alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics and >> sci.physics.relativity - atheism is based on neither beliefs nor >> science. > > Of course it's based on beliefs, whether positive or negative. Strong > atheists believe there is no god. Weak atheists don't believe in any > god (a negative belief - they have beliefs, but absent from them is a > belief in a god.) > > Stop spewing nonsense. Atheism has been improving. In the old days, they believed there was no God. Nowadays, in order to avoid denying God in case there is one, they believe they have no belief. It's a kind of self denial logic to get out of an awkward position.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqd7g4$4i0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360333 |
On 2015-08-11 11:43 PM, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois wrote: > On 8/11/2015 8:26 AM, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-11 11:06 PM, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois wrote: >>> On 8/11/2015 7:58 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote: >>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:29:15 -0700, the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois >>>> <barack@dewey_cheatham_and_howe.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/24/2015 10:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. >>>>> >>>>> In what way is that a criticism? Explain. >>>> >>>> Ignoring, for the moment, the inappropriate cross-posting between >>>> alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics and >>>> sci.physics.relativity - atheism is based on neither beliefs nor >>>> science. >>> >>> Of course it's based on beliefs, whether positive or negative. Strong >>> atheists believe there is no god. Weak atheists don't believe in any >>> god (a negative belief - they have beliefs, but absent from them is a >>> belief in a god.) >>> >>> Stop spewing nonsense. >> >> Atheism has been improving. In the old days, they believed there was no >> God. Nowadays, in order to avoid denying God in case there is one, they >> believe they have no belief. It's a kind of self denial logic to get out >> of an awkward position. > > Partly. As I have earlier elaborated, some atheists are "strong" > atheists, believing there is no god; others are "weak" atheists, lacking > a belief *in* any god. It's still *about* belief, generally, and at > least for the weak atheists, there's nothing pejorative about it. I don't blame people who go out of their way to avoid denying God. I think it's a very good sign. > > I dislike people who try to argue this using stale slogans they wrongly > consider to be catchy and witty, and that includes militant atheists who > repeatedly toss off the three-second bit of snark about "not collecting > stamps", as well as the militant anti-atheists who brainlessly repeat > the marginally less snarky "atheism is just another faith-based > religion" bullshit. > The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. If one does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. That's why there are people who believe that money and power are their gods. They actually do live their life for money and power.
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tgcksal8r9vsdab22ml9ldt2mm1jrsdcah@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #360343 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. > If one >does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? You're assuming your conclusion. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqe23c$h09$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360351 |
On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. > > But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not > everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody regardless being religious or not. > >> If one >> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. > > Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? > You're assuming your conclusion. It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something or someone. They spend their life and energy for that something or someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. > > >
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g24lsahr3tab682ke492tgmmn8gtf652r8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #360405 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> >>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >> >> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. > >I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how >a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is >the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the >concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody >regardless being religious or not. > >> >>> If one >>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >> >> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? >> You're assuming your conclusion. > >It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you are worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means nothing to everyone except you. >that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something >or someone. I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and that loves you then I guess you could say that >They spend their life and energy for that something or >someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living >such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy tales
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqe52i$pjo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360407 |
On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >>> >>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. >> >> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how >> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is >> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the >> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody >> regardless being religious or not. >> >>> >>>> If one >>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >>> >>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? >>> You're assuming your conclusion. >> >> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event > yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning > whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you are > worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so > you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means > nothing to everyone except you. > > >> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something >> or someone. > > I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and > that loves you then I guess you could say that > >> They spend their life and energy for that something or >> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living >> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. > > no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can > not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and > nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This > person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped > prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy > tales > Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods.
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <le3msa1utjhuohdf0jsrlk180gbncm2ecc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #360409 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >>>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >>>> >>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >>>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. >>> >>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how >>> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >>> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is >>> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the >>> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >>> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody >>> regardless being religious or not. >>> >>>> >>>>> If one >>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >>>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >>>> >>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? >>>> You're assuming your conclusion. >>> >>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event >> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning >> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you are >> worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so >> you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means >> nothing to everyone except you. >> >> >>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something >>> or someone. >> >> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and >> that loves you then I guess you could say that >> >>> They spend their life and energy for that something or >>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living >>> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. >> >> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can >> not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and >> nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This >> person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped >> prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy >> tales >> > >Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to >understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You >have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. Therefore, >that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It does >not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any >religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and >fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I give alms to it or eat crackers because of it.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqffq7$q28$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360439 |
On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>>>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >>>>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >>>>> >>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >>>>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. >>>> >>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how >>>> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >>>> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is >>>> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the >>>> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >>>> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody >>>> regardless being religious or not. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If one >>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >>>>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >>>>> >>>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? >>>>> You're assuming your conclusion. >>>> >>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event >>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning >>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you are >>> worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so >>> you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means >>> nothing to everyone except you. >>> >>> >>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something >>>> or someone. >>> >>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and >>> that loves you then I guess you could say that >>> >>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or >>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living >>>> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. >>> >>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can >>> not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and >>> nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This >>> person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped >>> prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy >>> tales >>> >> >> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to >> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You >> have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. Therefore, >> that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It does >> not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any >> religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and >> fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. > > That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I > give alms to it or eat crackers because of it. > Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact you call yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists really have no idea what the word god really means.
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500 |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>>>>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a stamp. One >>>>>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >>>>>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and how >>>>> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >>>>> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". God is >>>>> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware of the >>>>> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >>>>> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for everybody >>>>> regardless being religious or not. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> If one >>>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the lord in >>>>>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal anecdote? >>>>>> You're assuming your conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random meaningless event >>>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning >>>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you are >>>> worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so >>>> you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means >>>> nothing to everyone except you. >>>> >>>> >>>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for something >>>>> or someone. >>>> >>>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and >>>> that loves you then I guess you could say that >>>> >>>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or >>>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By living >>>>> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. >>>> >>>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can >>>> not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and >>>> nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This >>>> person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped >>>> prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy >>>> tales >>>> >>> >>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to >>> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You >>> have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. Therefore, >>> that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It does >>> not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any >>> religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and >>> fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >> >> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I >> give alms to it or eat crackers because of it. >> > >Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life for >you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact you call >yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists really have no >idea what the word god really means. you are a moron, I am done with you
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oqNyx.37305$bg4.25675@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #360485 |
On 08/12/2015 02:47 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different
>>>>>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and
>>>>>>>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a
>>>>>>>>> stamp. One
>>>>>>>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not
>>>>>>>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living
>>>>>>> and how
>>>>>>> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of
>>>>>>> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp".
>>>>>>> God is
>>>>>>> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her
>>>>>>> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for
>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>> regardless being religious or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If one
>>>>>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the
>>>>>>>>> lord in
>>>>>>>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal
>>>>>>>> anecdote?
>>>>>>>> You're assuming your conclusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random
>>>>>>> meaningless event
>>>>>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning
>>>>>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so
>>>>>> you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means
>>>>>> nothing to everyone except you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> or someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and
>>>>>> that loves you then I guess you could say that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or
>>>>>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By
>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can
>>>>>> not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and
>>>>>> nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This
>>>>>> person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped
>>>>>> prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy
>>>>>> tales
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
>>>>> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You
>>>>> have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose.
>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>> that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It
>>>>> does
>>>>> not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any
>>>>> religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and
>>>>> fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their
>>>>> God/gods.
>>>>
>>>> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I
>>>> give alms to it or eat crackers because of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life for
>>> you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact you call
>>> yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists really have no
>>> idea what the word god really means.
>>
>>
>> you are a moron, I am done with you
>
> Yet another concession of defeat! How many times will he do it?
I think you two are BOTH morons. Atheists AND the religious have NO
understanding of what they are doing or how things work. It's really
quite simple. Even you clowns can understand it though you won't accept it.
Define: God = The entire universe and all the laws governing it.
Laws relevant to atheism and religious dogma: Higher dimensional
electromagnetics.
Kinds of things such laws produce: Man calls them "magic". Obviously
they are simply higher natural laws they are not familiar with.
Fundamental law relevant to religions: The law of mind and aether.
Aether responds to thought which is to say mind. Mind is the builder.
Thinking a thought causes aether to precipitate that thought into our
"reality".
Restrictions on that law: The problem is that such precipitation happens
quite slowly in our 3D space and requires very STRONG focused thought
for a period of time for such precipitations to occur. Most humans are
not capable of such focused thought without special training or other
tricks.
Most religions are collections of such thinking tools. Prayer, adding
symbolism (getting on knees) repeating mantras, giving alms, living a
life in such a way to stay focused on your ideas of interest ect. Are
all ways to focus your thoughts. The stronger the thoughts the better
the focus and the more likely they will precipitate into the aether. The
religious call this "prayers answered" or "miracles", Atheists call them
"coincidence" or "hoaxes".
Given the above, it should be obvious why constant thinking of negative,
destructive, harmful things is not such a good idea.
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <iuansa1e7em1r7q5bkts6dcffci8391udl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #360503 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: >On 08/12/2015 02:47 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: >> On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-12 08:23 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:58:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-12 01:36 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:24:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>>>>>>>>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >>>>>>>>>> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a >>>>>>>>>> stamp. One >>>>>>>>>> can not live his life without the lord and center of his life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, see, that's where your whole argument collapses, because not >>>>>>>>> everyone thinks that way. I have no lord. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living >>>>>>>> and how >>>>>>>> a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >>>>>>>> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". >>>>>>>> God is >>>>>>>> the center of a person's life. The person, regardless being aware >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> concept and meaning of God/god or not, will have a center of his/her >>>>>>>> life as long as he/she is alive. This is a fact of life for >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> regardless being religious or not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If one >>>>>>>>>> does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to believe the >>>>>>>>>> lord in >>>>>>>>>> somewhere else who functions as the center of one's life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? Do you have any evidence of this other than personal >>>>>>>>> anecdote? >>>>>>>>> You're assuming your conclusion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's just a simple observation. Life is never a random >>>>>>>> meaningless event >>>>>>> yes actually it is completely random and all life has no meaning >>>>>>> whatsoever beyond what you make it, just because you feel that you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> worthless and need a god to feel like there is reason you are here so >>>>>>> you dont cry every night for having such a low self esteem, means >>>>>>> nothing to everyone except you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that happens without reason. Everyone lives his/her life for >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> or someone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would agree with that to a point, if you find someone you love and >>>>>>> that loves you then I guess you could say that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They spend their life and energy for that something or >>>>>>>> someone, believing it is the purpose and goal of their life. By >>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>> such life, that something or someone becomes their god/God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> no not exactly, that peson is very important yes, but that person can >>>>>>> not wave thier hand and do the harry potter thing, actually noone and >>>>>>> nothing can do that, at least not without some sort of tech. This >>>>>>> person although a VIP in someones life is not going to be worshiped >>>>>>> prayed or anything else those loonies to in the name of thier fairy >>>>>>> tales >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to >>>>>> understand what exactly I'm talking about. I say you have a life. You >>>>>> have a purpose in life. You live your life for that purpose. >>>>>> Therefore, >>>>>> that purpose is the center of your life which makes it your god. It >>>>>> does >>>>>> not have to be religious, but it's just as important to you as any >>>>>> religious belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and >>>>>> fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their >>>>>> God/gods. >>>>> >>>>> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I >>>>> give alms to it or eat crackers because of it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your life for >>>> you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the fact you call >>>> yourself an atheist. People who call themselves atheists really have no >>>> idea what the word god really means. >>> >>> >>> you are a moron, I am done with you >> >> Yet another concession of defeat! How many times will he do it? > >I think you two are BOTH morons. Atheists AND the religious have NO >understanding of what they are doing or how things work. It's really >quite simple. Even you clowns can understand it though you won't accept it. > >Define: God = The entire universe and all the laws governing it. > >Laws relevant to atheism and religious dogma: Higher dimensional >electromagnetics. > >Kinds of things such laws produce: Man calls them "magic". Obviously >they are simply higher natural laws they are not familiar with. > >Fundamental law relevant to religions: The law of mind and aether. >Aether responds to thought which is to say mind. Mind is the builder. >Thinking a thought causes aether to precipitate that thought into our >"reality". > >Restrictions on that law: The problem is that such precipitation happens >quite slowly in our 3D space and requires very STRONG focused thought >for a period of time for such precipitations to occur. Most humans are >not capable of such focused thought without special training or other >tricks. > >Most religions are collections of such thinking tools. Prayer, adding >symbolism (getting on knees) repeating mantras, giving alms, living a >life in such a way to stay focused on your ideas of interest ect. Are >all ways to focus your thoughts. The stronger the thoughts the better >the focus and the more likely they will precipitate into the aether. The >religious call this "prayers answered" or "miracles", Atheists call them >"coincidence" or "hoaxes". > >Given the above, it should be obvious why constant thinking of negative, >destructive, harmful things is not such a good idea. coo coo coo coo was that a clock??? FRUITCAKE!!
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqhup6$8u7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360503 |
On 8/12/2015 3:48 PM, benj wrote: > > I think you two are BOTH morons. Atheists AND the religious have NO > understanding of what they are doing or how things work. It's really > quite simple. Even you clowns can understand it though you won't accept it. > > Define: God = The entire universe and all the laws governing it. > > Laws relevant to atheism and religious dogma: Higher dimensional > electromagnetics. > > Kinds of things such laws produce: Man calls them "magic". Obviously > they are simply higher natural laws they are not familiar with. > > Fundamental law relevant to religions: The law of mind and aether. > Aether responds to thought which is to say mind. Mind is the builder. > Thinking a thought causes aether to precipitate that thought into our > "reality". > > Restrictions on that law: The problem is that such precipitation happens > quite slowly in our 3D space and requires very STRONG focused thought > for a period of time for such precipitations to occur. Most humans are > not capable of such focused thought without special training or other > tricks. > > Most religions are collections of such thinking tools. Prayer, adding > symbolism (getting on knees) repeating mantras, giving alms, living a > life in such a way to stay focused on your ideas of interest ect. Are > all ways to focus your thoughts. The stronger the thoughts the better > the focus and the more likely they will precipitate into the aether. The > religious call this "prayers answered" or "miracles", Atheists call them > "coincidence" or "hoaxes". > > Given the above, it should be obvious why constant thinking of negative, > destructive, harmful things is not such a good idea. Utter trash and garbage -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqgmrm$fr1$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360485 |
In article <mqg49f$975$10@dont-email.me>, Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> said: > On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> >>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your >>> life for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite >>> the fact you call yourself an atheist. People who call >>> themselves atheists really have no idea what the word god really >>> means. >> >> you are a moron, I am done with you > > Yet another concession of defeat! How many times will he do it? Wow, it's true: debating with god-droids _is_ like trying to play chess with a pigeon -- it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and then flies back to its flock to claim victory. -- wds
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqgpgp06cb@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #360535 |
wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: > Wow, it's true: debating with god-droids _is_ like trying to play > chess with a pigeon -- it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, > and then flies back to its flock to claim victory. ::Snerque::
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55CBEDFC.3418@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #360535 |
William December Starr wrote: > > In article <mqg49f$975$10@dont-email.me>, > Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> said: > > > On 8/12/2015 10:39 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:57:28 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your > >>> life for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite > >>> the fact you call yourself an atheist. People who call > >>> themselves atheists really have no idea what the word god really > >>> means. > >> > >> you are a moron, I am done with you > > > > Yet another concession of defeat! How many times will he do it? > > Wow, it's true: debating with god-droids _is_ like trying to play > chess with a pigeon -- it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, > and then flies back to its flock to claim victory. > > -- wds If you don't believe in God, how can you believe in yourself?? Believing in yourself is...believing in God. Those who believe in...themselves, believe in God...whether they like it or not!
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55CC46E5.28D8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #360542 |
I don't know too much about the history of atheism....when was it invented?
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| From | Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 22:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mr0bci$fgk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360563 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > I don't know too much about the history of atheism....when was it > invented? Had we been born jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto and so on and not believe in the existence of the beings described in the stories of our heritage, none would really care. Nearly every religion long ago reached peace at having plenty of non-believers among their members. As such atheism is a practice restricted to regions where Christianity and/or islam are practiced. Elsewhere there isn't any need. So it was invented at some point after those religions decided on an unique innovation that belief in the existence of the beings or the stories of their heritage is a requirement. No requirement, no need for atheism. Yes requirement, need for a description of those who violate that requirement. The subject line "Atheism is baced on beliefs, not science" is a true statement but not for the reason the OP almost certainty meant. Atheism is based on a specific disbelief that is insisted on by a couple of religions but not required by most other religions. Atheism is based on a requirement of belief by a couple of religions but not a requirement by most other religions. Does atheism use science? Yes. But that's not what atheism is based upon. Atheism is based on resistence to a specific requirement by a specific pair of religions. A specific pair of religions that chose to oppose science, unlike nearly all others. Ssience naturally became a tool of atheists for that reason.
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