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Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR

From	Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR
Date	2018-04-19 23:39 +0200
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Demonstration that on Earth (that is an inertial frame) the speed of 
light cannot be isotropic and therefore cannot be c, so the second 
postulate of Special Relativity (SR), which states that the speed of 
light has the same value c in all inertial frames, is falsified.

The frequency of the photons of the CMBR measured on Earth, isn’t 
isotropic for some very slight anisotropies (around one in 100,000), but 
above all for a particular anisotropy, called "dipole anisotropy", of 
much greater amplitude (around one in 1,000), which depends on the 
direction of the CMBR’s provenance and that is due to the motion of the 
Earth (about 370 km/s) with respect to a particular location in the 
space, in which this anisotropy would not be detected.
Hence in that location, that can be considered an inertial frame, the 
CMBR’s frequency would be isotropic (without considering the 
aforementioned slight anisotropies) or, more precisely, would not be 
affected by the dipole anisotropy. But for the SR its speed would also 
result isotropic, since for the SR the MMX experiment proved that the 
speed of photons (including those of the CMBR) results isotropic in any 
inertial frame in which it is measured.
Therefore, in this location both the speed and the frequency of the 
CMBR, would be isotropic, as it is reasonable that it is. Because, as I 
will show later (thought experiments), it is not acceptable to assume 
that the frequency of the CMBR isn’t isotropic, and that, at the same 
time, its speed is isotropic.
So if on Earth, that is another inertial frame, it appears that the 
frequency of CMBR isn’t isotropic (also without considering the 
aforementioned slight anisotropies) and, on the other hand, that its 
speed is isotropic, one of the two measurements is not correct.
The location in which both the speed and frequency of the CMBR (without 
considering the aforementioned slight anisotropies) would be isotropic, 
can be only that where the frequency is measured, i.e., that where the 
Earth is transiting in the moment of measurement.
But if in that location the speed of the CMBR photons is isotropic, the 
speed of all the other photons, including light photons, must therefore 
be isotropic. And if the speed of the photons is isotropic with respect 
to the location they are traversing, it cannot be isotropic with respect 
to the Earth, as the Earth is in motion with respect to that location.
In conclusion, if on Earth the speed of the photons appears isotropic, 
as in the experiment of MMX, it only means that the tools available on 
Earth are not able to measure it properly, and not that it really is 
isotropic.


Thought experiments

Imagine the Universe as a big rubber ball with many points marked on its 
surface (representing locations in space). Now imagine CMBR photons as a 
set of cars that move on its surface at the constant speed of 1 m/s.
Imagine then the Earth as a pickup truck that moves on the surface of 
the sphere, but at a lower speed than 1 m/s, and let us suppose that it 
is able to measure its speed against the cars. It would be revealed that 
the cars approach the truck at different speeds depending on the 
direction, and with suitable calculations it would be possible to 
determine its speed with respect to the point it is traversing.
For example, if the speed of only two of the cars coming from opposite 
directions was measured by the truck, and these were respectively 0.9 
and 1.1 m/s, the difference would be 0.2 m/s and its speed with respect 
to this point would be half, i.e., 0.1 m/s.
But if the truck measured a speed of 1 m/s for both of the cars (which 
would represent the MMX experiment), it would mean that it does not have 
adequate tools to detect the exact speed and not that the cars are 
really moving towards it at a speed of 1 m/s, as this would be impossible.

Now, let us assume that in a certain point marked on the sphere, two 
lines of cars are passing through coming from opposite directions and 
with the cars in each line spaced 0.1 metre apart.
In one second an observer positioned at that point, would count 10 cars 
coming from one direction and 10 from the other, and would measure a 
speed of 1 m/s for each of them. Therefore both the frequency of the 
cars and their speed would be isotropic.
Now, assuming that the truck always moves at a speed of 0.1 m/s in one 
of the two directions, in one second it would count 11 cars coming from 
the direction in which it is moving, and 9 cars coming from the opposite 
direction. So it would detect a difference of two cars between the two 
directions of origin (the difference represents the dipole anisotropy of 
CMBR). And if it accurately measured the speed of the cars with respect 
to itself, it would find that those coming from the forward direction 
would have a speed of 1.1 m/s, while those coming from behind would have 
a speed of 0.9 m/s.
Therefore, both the frequency and the speed of the cars, would be 
anisotropic.
But if it measured their speed isotropic (1 m/s) and their frequency 
anisotropic (11 and 9), it would mean that one of the two measurements 
was incorrect, namely that of the speed as shown in the previous 
experiment.

Conclusion.

I've shown that it isn’t acceptable to assume that the frequency of the 
photons of CMBR isn’t isotropic, and that, at the same time, its speed 
is isotropic.
Therefore since on the Earth the frequency of the photons of the CMBR 
isn’t isotropic (also without considering the aforementioned slight 
anisotropies), it means that not even their speed can be isotropic and, 
therefore, can be c.
Because it can be c, only if it is isotropic.
Of course, what is true for the photons of CMBR, also applies to all 
other photons, including those of light.
And since the Earth is an inertial frame, it means that the speed of 
light don’t have the same value c in all inertial frames.
Therefore the second postulate of SR, which states that the speed of 
light has the same value c in all inertial frames, is falsified.

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Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 23:39 +0200
  Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-20 12:56 +1000
    Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 22:40 +0200
      Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-21 09:28 +1000
        Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 17:42 -0700
          Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 17:45 -0700
          Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 17:48 -0700
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        Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-20 21:09 -0700
        Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 11:08 +0200
          Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-22 10:40 +1000
            Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:01 -0500
            Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 18:53 +0100
              Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-23 12:14 +1000
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 08:26 +0100
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-23 19:57 +1000
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 08:32 +0100
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 10:33 +0100
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 02:53 -0700
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 12:00 +0100
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 04:33 -0700
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 05:11 -0700
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 09:26 -0700
            Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 22:04 +0200
              Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-23 12:37 +1000
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-23 17:01 +1000
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-24 13:47 +1000
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-23 21:28 -0700
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 22:29 +0200
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-25 09:25 +1000
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:39 +0200
                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-26 10:42 +1000
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                Re: Falsification of second postulate of SR, using the CMBR Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-29 14:28 +1000
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