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Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics
Date	2018-04-15 20:38 +0000
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Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 4/14/18 9:29 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 10:16:24 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>> On 4/13/18 4:56 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I know that MODELS of light traveling as waves can produce 
>>>>> good results.  That is why it is #8 on the list of 10, and not
>>>>> #2 or #3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, if you had a CORRECT MODEL that used photons, who knows what
>>>>> ELSE could be found and learned.
>>>> 
>>>> How could one ever know that a given model is "CORRECT"?????
>>> 
>>> By experiment.
>> 
>> No. Experiments can only tell you that your model is consistent with the
>> experiments THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED. But a truly "correct" model would
>> have to agree with all possible experiments, INCLUDING ALL THE POTENTIAL
>> ONES NOT PERFORMED. How could you ever know that????
> 
> I know that.  We just PHRASE things differently.  I'm using "correct"
> while you would not use "correct."  It seems that whatever words I use,
> you would find some fault and create some argument. 
> 
>> 
>> In fundamental physics, there will ALWAYS be higher
>> energies yet to be explored....
>> 
>>> It's called "science."
>> 
>> What you are trying to do is NOT science.
>> 
>> Science is NOT about "finding correct models", science is about finding
>> VALID models, testing them experimentally, and refining them and
>> improving them (to wider domains and/or higher accuracy). Scientists
>> recognize what you do not: science is a PROCESS, not an answer, and will
>> never be complete, and never give a "correct" model; all it can give are
>> models that are VALID within (hopefully) ever-expanding domains, to
>> ever-improving accuracy.
> 
> Okay.  I have no problem with that.  It is what I've been saying. 
> Experiments show that the "wave model" is NOT a VALID model.  Light
> travels as individual PHOTONS, NOT as "continuous waves." 
> 
>> 
>>>> The BEST anyone can do is formulate a model that agrees with all 
>>>> the experiments. Within the domain of locally inertial frames we 
>>>> have done so: the standard model.
>>> 
>>> Your experiments do NOT agree with all experiments.
>> TYPO:  ^^^^^^^^^^^ => model
> 
> Oops.  Right, a typo.
> 
>> 
>> No. OF COURSE NOT. But the standard models DOES agree with all
>> experiments TO DATE that have been performed in a locally inertial frame.
>> 
>> That specifically excludes gravitation, which is not
>> part of the standard model.
>> 
>>> You design the experiments to fit your BELIEFS.  And you ignore 
>>> experiments which DISPROVE your beliefs.
>> 
>> You are psychologically projecting again -- you ascribe YOUR personal
>> failures to me (and by implication, to all scientists). DON'T DO THAT.
>> 
>> For instance, ATLAS and CMS at the LHC are specifically
>> designed for discovery science -- things which we DON'T
>> YET KNOW ABOUT (e.g. the Higgs prior to 2012). But of
>> course technological limitations apply to all experiments.
>> 
>>> You ignore all the experiments which UNDENIABLY show that light 
>>> consists of PHOTONS, not waves.
>> 
>> NONSENSE! You have not been READING what I have been writing. The
>> standard model is a quantum field theory that does not consider light as
>> "waves" at all -- light is APPROXIMATELY photons (but is actually more
>> complicated as this is a quantum field theory containing more fields
>> than just the photon field).
>> 
>> Photons, of course, are NOT particles, they are
>> quantum excitations of the photon field....
>> 
>> Of course this is our current best model, valid only in a restricted
>> domain (that includes all relevant experiments to date). It most
>> definitely does NOT "UNDENIABLY show that light consists of PHOTONS", it
>> merely models light APPROXIMATELY as photons. For now....
> 
> Okay.  But the point is that light is NOT waves.  We do not know exactly
> what a photon looks like or exactly how it works, but we do know that
> photons transport light, not waves.

No sir. Experiment shows that light exhibits both wave and particle
properties, which means it is futile and silly to try to force it into
particle mold and wholly ignore wave results. 

> 
>> 
>>> I can show you a dozen text books which say that the dark lines on 
>>> the wall in the double-slit experiment are "DESTRUCTIVE 
>>> INTERFERENCE."
>> 
>> Certainly. But this is not interference of "light waves" as you
>> MISTAKENLY think, it is interference of quantum amplitudes.
> 
> Or that is what you MISTAKENLY think.  Experiments using single photons
> show that the so-called "destructive interference" patterns STILL appear.
>  So there cannot be any "interference of quantum amplitudes" except maybe
> in a mathematical model, not in reality.  In reality, there is something
> about how photons work that we do not yet fully understand.

It IS understood. You don’t understand it. That’s completely different. 

> 
> Ed
> 
> < snipped personal attacks >
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 15:02 -0700
  The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:27 -0700
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      Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:24 -0700
        Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 10:41 -0700
          Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:39 -0700
            Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 13:39 -0700
              Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
              Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 08:12 -0700
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