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Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics

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Date 2018-04-18 13:39 -0700
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Subject Re: The #8 DUMBEST Belief in Physics
From Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com>

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On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:39:22 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 10:51:30 AM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 3:02:03 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > > > The 8th DUMBEST Belief in Physics is "Light travels as waves."
> > > > > 
> > > > > It doesn't. You need to study physics to find out how light wave is
> > > > > modelled.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jan
> > > > 
> > > > You're not making sense, Jan.  I said the 8th dumbest belief in physics
> > > > is that "light travels as waves."  And you say "It doesn't."  That means
> > > > WE AGREE.
> > > > 
> > > > If we agree, why do I need to study physics to find out how light is modeled?
> > > >  I KNOW how it is "modeled."  It is "modeled" INCORRECTLY because
> > > > people haven't bothered to find a CORRECT model.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > Hi Ed,
> > > simple question for you:
> > > Do you consider yourself to be a solid object?
> > > Or do you calculate your motions through the day by figuring
> > > out how all the atoms in your body need to move?
> > > 
> > > Just as Newtonian mechanics works fine for calculating
> > > the flight of a satellite around the earth, but fails
> > > for Mercury around the sun, modeling light as waves
> > > or particles depends on the problem being solved.
> > > 
> > > So it is useful to use wave theory for designing antenae
> > > and other E&M devices. Computing the design based on QM
> > > is possible but just too difficult to be practical for
> > > the gain in precision.
> > > 
> > > Is it wrong? Well as a friend of mine says:
> > > "All theories are wrong, some are useful."
> > > 
> > > To argue that one is more correct than another sometimes
> > > comes down to the context of the problem being solved.
> > > 
> > > Enjoy,
> > >   Ed
> > 
> > As I've said before, the idea that light travels as waves is #8 on the
> > list of the 10 dumbest ideas in physics, but it would be higher on the
> > list if it wasn't for the fact that the "dumb" idea CAN still be used
> > to solve problems. []
> > 
> > It is on the list because it is NOT TRUE.
> 
> And you somehow have a direct link to what is TRUE?

No, but I have web links to information that shows that the belief that light travels as waves is NOT TRUE.

> 
> >  We should be looking for what IS true.
> 
> We seek the true, knowing that we may only be able to get better
> and better approximations. At least that is my pragmatic approach.
> Claiming to know what is TRUE, smacks of absolutism and elitism.

The problem with discussing anything on this forum is that everything has to be endlessly qualified.  So we're always arguing over definitions of words.  That gets very tedious.  Okay, maybe I should have written "We should be looking for what is as TRUE as we can possibly determine." 

> 
> >  But it seems too many mathematicians are content with using the
> > DUMB idea, so they have no interest in learning exactly how light
> > DOES work. If they learned how light actually DOES work, they'd
> > have to learn new mathematical models and new techniques.   That's
> > what all the mathematicians had to do when they were forced to accept
> > the reality that the sun does not orbit around the earth.  
> 
> I have been close friends with some mathematicians. Funny thing is,
> in all the discussions I've had with them, they never expressed any
> interest in the topic of light or other areas of physics. You must
> interact with some unusual mathematicians.

I'm distinguishing between physicists who are mainly scientists looking to understand how the universe works and physicists who are mainly mathematicians defending their mathematical models of the universe.  I call the latter "mathematicians" or when I feel like being more precise, I call them mathematician-physicists. 

> 
> As far as using what works, I'll ask again in a slightly different
> example:
> Do you use QED to calculate the motion of a baseball?
> Or do you use Newtonian mechanics?

I use a radar gun.

> 
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> As my college Chemistry Prof used to say: "If it works, use it."
> 
> Enjoy,
>   ed

My kindergarten teacher used to say, "There are always two choices. Two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.” 

Ed

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