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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) |
| Date | 2017-04-13 16:33 +0000 |
| Organization | The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 |
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote: >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >> >> >On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 4:22:31 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:21:20 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> >> >> kenseto wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Your argument supports the concept that light is being transmitted by a >> >> >> > medium occupying space. >> >> >> >> >> >> No, it does not. How did you get that idea? >> >> >> >> >You said that light takes 8 minute from the sun to arrive at the earth..... >> >> >that means that light is being transmitted by a medium and the speed of light >> >> >in that medium is 300,000 km/sec. With that speed it takes 8 minute for >> >> >light from the sun to arrive at the earth. >> >> >> >> No, Stupid Ken, it does not imply any medium in any way. The simplest >> >> counterexample would be, what if the sun sent out tiny bullets that >> >> traveled at 300,000 km/sec? Would those little bullets need a medium? If so, >> >> Why? >> >> >Moron light waves are not bullets..... >> >> Stupid Ken, light photons are not waves, either. Light has some properties of >> particles and some properties of waves. >Moron....that's why a photon is a wave-packet. No, Stupid Ken, the photon is the quantum manifestation of the electric field. >>One of the particle properties of light >> is that photons don't need a medium to propagate. >Moron.....A wave-packet needs a medium to move. Irrelevant, since we're discussing manifestations of the electric field. >> Stupid Ken, since electrons also have properties of waves (electron microscope or >> the double slit experiment using electrons, for example), will you also claim that >> electrons need a medium to propagate? >An electron is confined to follow the geometry exists in the medium. >This give the apparent of electron waves That's babbling, Stupid Ken. Please repeat that in English. And tell us, since the electron can be treated as a wave in some cases, does the electron need a medium to propagate? >> >1. if you move toward a bullet source more bullets would hit you per second ..... >> >in other words, the speed of bullets arriving at you would increase. >> >2. If you move away from a bullet source less bullets would hit you per second... >> >in other words, the speed of bullets arriving at you would decrease. >> >> No, using the relativistic speed combination formula, if one speed is c, the resulting >> speed will be c no matter what the other speed is. >Moron.....light cannot change its speed during transit. Thats' right, Stupid Ken. If you use the relativistic speed combination function on a photon, you'll always get c no matter what the source's speed is! >If light in the medium is measured to be constant c wrt the source, you cannot made >it change its speed to be c again when you are moving toward it or moving away from it. The good news is that you don't have to change its speed. In fact, you cannot do so. If you measure the photon's speed with the relativistic speed combination function, and keep changing v as you move toward and away from the source at various speeds, you'll always get c for its speed. So the speed is always the same! >>So if you move toward a source of >> light moving at c, the light is still moving at c relative to you. If you move away >> from a source of light moving at c, he light is still moving at c relative to you. >This is something Einstein made up. In real life the incoming speed of light is: >c'=c(wavelength of the source/measured incoming wavelength) No, Stupid Ken. Don't accuse Einstein of making something up by making something up!
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Re: Science School kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-11 08:25 -0700
Re: Science School Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-04-11 18:16 +0200
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Speed of light (was: Science School) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-11 18:21 +0200
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-11 11:25 -0700
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-11 20:49 +0200
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-11 12:17 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-11 22:00 +0200
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-12 06:34 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-13 00:36 +0200
Re: Speed of light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 05:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-13 14:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 06:07 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-13 15:20 +0200
Re: Speed of light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 06:25 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-13 15:43 +0200
Re: Speed of light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 06:53 -0700
Re: Speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-13 05:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-13 15:15 +0200
Re: Speed of light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-13 16:54 +0000
Re: Speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-13 10:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-13 21:33 +0000
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-11 20:22 +0000
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-12 07:16 -0700
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-12 15:49 +0000
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-12 10:04 -0700
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-04-13 05:22 -0700
Re: Speed of light (was: Science School) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-13 16:33 +0000
Re: Science School Nobody <nobody@nowhere.nohow> - 2017-04-11 00:41 -0400
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