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Re: Can We Believe in Modern Physics Theories?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Can We Believe in Modern Physics Theories?
Date 2017-02-13 09:55 -0600
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On 2/13/2017 9:37 AM, SEKI wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 12:26:40 AM UTC+9, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/13/2017 8:51 AM, SEKI wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 10:21:38 PM UTC+9, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 2/13/2017 1:49 AM, SEKI wrote:
>>>>> Considering single particle (quantum) interference in a double slit
>>>>> experiment, we can't deny the fact that a quantum is more of a wave
>>>>> than anything.
>>>>> In case where a quantum (wave) is localized in a small area, it can
>>>>> be seen as a particle.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, most physicists seem to be obsessed by the particle model.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be noted that most of so-called quantum paradoxes can be
>>>>> resolved by abandoning the particle model.
>>>>> (Of course, the Bell's inequality is an exception, though can never
>>>>> be resolved with the particle model.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, quantum theories are constructed as theories of waves, and
>>>>> particles appear only in interpretations.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see any reason to try to force a decision. The fact is, these
>>>> are quantum fields, which are NEITHER particles nor waves but a third
>>>> kind of thing that exhibit wavelike and particlelike properties.
>>>
>>> Basically, you are right.
>>> I wrote:
>>>>> In case where a quantum (wave) is localized in a small area, it can
>>>>> be seen as a particle.
>>>
>>> The wave model can double with the particle model.
>>
>> Or you can do what physicists do these days and stay away from BOTH the
>> particle model and the wave model and instead use the model of quantum
>> fields. That's what they appear to be, actually. The third thing, not
>> some combination of the first two things.
>
> You don't seem to understand the gist of my arguments.
> Did you read the first posting on this topic?

Yes, I did.

You're missing the point. You keep talking about particle models and 
wave models. These days, NEITHER model is used. Instead, as of about 
1928, a wholly different third model is used: quantum field model.

>
> Thanks anyway.
>
> SEKI
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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