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Re: Can We Believe in Modern Physics Theories?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Can We Believe in Modern Physics Theories?
Date 2017-02-13 09:26 -0600
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On 2/13/2017 8:51 AM, SEKI wrote:
> On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 10:21:38 PM UTC+9, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/13/2017 1:49 AM, SEKI wrote:
>>> Considering single particle (quantum) interference in a double slit
>>> experiment, we can't deny the fact that a quantum is more of a wave
>>> than anything.
>>> In case where a quantum (wave) is localized in a small area, it can
>>> be seen as a particle.
>>>
>>> To me, most physicists seem to be obsessed by the particle model.
>>>
>>> It should be noted that most of so-called quantum paradoxes can be
>>> resolved by abandoning the particle model.
>>> (Of course, the Bell's inequality is an exception, though can never
>>> be resolved with the particle model.)
>>>
>>> Anyway, quantum theories are constructed as theories of waves, and
>>> particles appear only in interpretations.
>>
>> I don't see any reason to try to force a decision. The fact is, these
>> are quantum fields, which are NEITHER particles nor waves but a third
>> kind of thing that exhibit wavelike and particlelike properties.
>
> Basically, you are right.
> I wrote:
>>> In case where a quantum (wave) is localized in a small area, it can
>>> be seen as a particle.
>
> The wave model can double with the particle model.

Or you can do what physicists do these days and stay away from BOTH the 
particle model and the wave model and instead use the model of quantum 
fields. That's what they appear to be, actually. The third thing, not 
some combination of the first two things.

>
> Thanks
>
> SEKI
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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