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Re: Detecting time dilation

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From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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Subject	Re: Detecting time dilation
Date	Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:04:34 +0000 (UTC)
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 10:37:08 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Stupid Ken, you deliberately make the same stupid mistake over and over
>> again.  The second is DEFINED as 9,192,631,770 Cs atom transitions on a
>> local clock (proper time). =20

>Moron a second of proper time at the GPS location does not correspond to a
>second of proper time  on the ground.

Stupid Ken, if you say something like that, it must mean that you don't
even know what "proper time" is.  Are you making up your own definitions
for standard science phrases again?  Well stop it, it just make you look
stupid.  That's why everyone knows of you as Stupid Ken.

Proper time is what a comoving clock shows.  The second is DEFINED as
9,192,631,770 Cs atom transitions on a cesium clock used to measure
proper time.  DEFINED.  That means you can't come along and say "No,..."
because that is the DEFINITION of a second.

An astronaut riding along with a GPS SV will see all clocks, and time
dependent things with him working properly, with one second being
9,192,631,770 Cs atom transitions on the GPS clock.  We on earth also see
everything ticking at its proper rate, 9,192,631,770 Cs atom transitions
being exactly one second (BY DEFINITION) of our local Cs clock.  However
the astronaut will see the earth clock tick slow (taking
9,192,631,774.4647 Cs clock ticks on his Cs clock), while we on earth see
the SV's clock tick fast.  This does NOT mean any problem because neither
measurement is proper time! It's just like a meter stick, it has to be
stationary for it to be a meter. A high speed meter stick will be seen as
short by us, while our meter stick will be seen as short by someone
co-moving with the high speed meter stick.  Does that mean "they redefine
the high speed meter to have 1/gamma times the length of the stationary
meter"?  NO! That's because it doesn't meet the proper criteria for use as
a reference.  Now you (should!) know why your statement "they redefine the
GPS second to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation than the ground
clock second" is so STOOOOPID!

So when are you going to actually learn about SR/GR for once?

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  Re: Detecting time dilation Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 02:05 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 02:52 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-22 05:58 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:34 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 10:10 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-24 06:44 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-24 06:57 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-25 05:55 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-25 07:43 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:08 -0800
          utter cretin Jay Moseley insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-26 14:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-25 19:46 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 03:45 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 04:22 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 04:51 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 05:19 -0800
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                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 06:26 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:06 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:12 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 13:42 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-25 11:00 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-25 13:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-25 13:57 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 08:16 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:53 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:21 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 21:49 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 03:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:34 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:33 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:24 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 11:05 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:43 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:30 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 10:00 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 18:06 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 11:48 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 15:33 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 04:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 05:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 07:27 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-27 06:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-27 07:04 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 15:37 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 08:45 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 18:17 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 10:25 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 09:20 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 03:04 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 23:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-29 08:12 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 00:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-30 00:43 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 23:10 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-30 06:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-31 21:39 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-31 14:44 -0800
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                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-05 09:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:00 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:12 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:37 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 15:52 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 18:21 -0800
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                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 09:46 -0600
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            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:37 -0800
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        Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 10:46 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 11:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:08 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 12:43 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-26 08:53 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 17:25 +0000
      Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 09:56 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:34 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:23 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:40 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 14:31 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-05 06:16 -0800

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