Groups > sci.physics.relativity > #403099

Re: Detecting time dilation

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Detecting time dilation
Date	2016-12-27 15:37 +0000
Organization	The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989
Message-ID	<o3u1r0$l5h$1@pcls7.std.com> (permalink)
References	(1 earlier) <5bd360a6-1be0-4d78-9b2b-c2ba6cb9ca78@googlegroups.com> <26e8382b-999f-41ef-9154-945fc3cc490e@googlegroups.com> <c0fedb58-5f4a-477d-ac14-858227830a51@googlegroups.com> <37979172-5075-4133-9110-625bb822769a@googlegroups.com> <16c972d3-4174-4a01-85ee-ab3c3c5b9832@googlegroups.com>

Show all headers | View raw

kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Monday, December 26, 2016 at 1:00:06 PM UTC-5, paparios wrote:
>> > The clocks on GPS satellites tick 7 microseconds SLOWER than clocks on
>> > earth every day due to the speed at which the satellites travel. The 
>> > clocks on GPS satellites tick 45 microseconds FASTER than clocks on 
>> > Earth every day due to the difference in gravitation due to the 
>> > difference in distance from the center of the Earth.

>> This is incorrect. GPS atomic clocks tick always at the same rate (the 
>> rate they had before the launching). What changes is the observation 
>> rates of those clocks, from the point of view of the GPS receiver.

>This is incorrect. If the GPS second remain to have 9,192,631,770 
>periods of Cs 133 radiation as the ground clock second then the GPS will 
>not work. The GPS receiver have soft correction and define the GPS second 
>to have 9,192,631,774.4647 radiation periods of Cs 133 radiation.

Stupid Ken, you deliberately make the same stupid mistake over and over
again.  The second is DEFINED as 9,192,631,770 Cs atom transitions on a
local clock (proper time).  To an observer on the satellite, the
satellite's Cs clock is a local clock and to the observer, 9,192,631,770
Cs atom transitions is exactly 1 second (by definition). There is no
"redefinition" of the second, the second cannot be redefined that way.  
What is true is that the divisor is set at 9,192,631,774.4647 transitions
for the signal to be used by earth bound GPS receivers.  An observer on
the GPS would obviously notice that this is slightly longer than 1 second.  
This is because once the GR effects are taken into account, this signal
becomes exactly 1 second as seen on Earth (not the GPS).  That number
exactly cancels the GR effects of gravity and motion of the satellite.

Stupid Ken, I (and others) repeatedly tell you to go and learn how
SR/GR actually work, and learn how the GPS actually works as well.
Please do so.

Thread

Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 00:39 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 02:05 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 02:52 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-22 05:58 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:34 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 10:10 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-24 06:44 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-24 06:57 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-25 05:55 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-25 07:43 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:08 -0800
          utter cretin Jay Moseley insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-26 14:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-25 19:46 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 03:45 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 04:22 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 04:51 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 05:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 05:53 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 06:26 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:06 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:12 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 13:42 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-25 11:00 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-25 13:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-25 13:57 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 08:16 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:53 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:21 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 21:49 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 03:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:34 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:33 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:24 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 11:05 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:43 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:30 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 10:00 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 18:06 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 11:48 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 15:33 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 04:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 05:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 07:27 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-27 06:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-27 07:04 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 15:37 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 08:45 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 18:17 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 10:25 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 09:20 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 03:04 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 23:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-29 08:12 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 00:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-30 00:43 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 23:10 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-30 06:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-31 21:39 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-31 14:44 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:02 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-03 13:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 06:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:36 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 07:43 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:07 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:21 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:12 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:18 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 06:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:09 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:11 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 12:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:00 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:11 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:29 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:07 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:17 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 06:28 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:26 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:07 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-04 13:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-05 09:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:00 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:12 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:37 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 15:52 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 18:21 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 13:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-07 13:26 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-08 06:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 12:56 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-09 12:21 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 15:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-09 23:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-10 10:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-11 08:54 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-11 09:01 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-11 17:35 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 05:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 08:27 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 11:24 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 14:08 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-13 12:56 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 15:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-14 04:57 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-14 05:43 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:24 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 06:15 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 13:54 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 12:31 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-15 20:36 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-16 06:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 09:50 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 18:05 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-15 22:30 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-15 07:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-12 16:38 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-12 08:50 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 11:26 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-13 03:09 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-12 23:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-13 05:37 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-14 07:27 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-14 01:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-14 05:20 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-14 19:47 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 06:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-16 00:10 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-16 06:49 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 09:46 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 17:58 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:09 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:45 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-17 06:45 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-17 06:38 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 10:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-17 09:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-11 16:23 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-09 23:31 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-06 10:32 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 18:41 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 11:51 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-06 16:37 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 18:23 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-08 06:44 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-08 16:08 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 11:24 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 11:33 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:15 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:11 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:29 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-27 09:23 -0600
          Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 07:54 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:22 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 09:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 10:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 14:58 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 08:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 10:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 13:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 13:35 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 17:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 00:39 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 01:23 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-05 09:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-01-05 21:28 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 17:27 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-28 15:42 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-29 07:50 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:58 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 06:10 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 07:54 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:36 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:05 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:30 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:14 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:24 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-05 06:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 10:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:00 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:36 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 23:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-27 13:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-01-03 13:34 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:55 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:37 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 15:09 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 10:46 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 11:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:08 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 12:43 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-26 08:53 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 17:25 +0000
      Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 09:56 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:34 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:23 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:40 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 14:31 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-05 06:16 -0800

csiph-web