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Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, sci.math
Subject	Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru
Date	2023-07-24 08:22 +0200
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Am 23.07.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Volney:
> On 7/21/2023 12:50 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 20.07.2023 um 22:10 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>> On 7/20/2023 7:48 AM, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/2023 4:27 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/20/2023 1:24 AM, 💩💩💩💩💩💩 wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>
>>>>> What would happen if Russia launched, say, 42 hyper sonic state of
>>>>> the art anti ship missiles at a single US carrier?
>>>>>
>>>> No more 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐, 30 minutes later.
>>>>
>>>> Even 卐Putler卐 isn't crazy enough to try that.
>>
>> The problem for the US fleet:
>>
>> the Russians have their naval base upon the Crimean peninsula, from
>> where they can efficiantly control the Black Sea.
>
> Except they really can't. The Black Sea fleet doesn't dare get close to
> SW Ukraine because they're in range of Ukrainian missile. Plus Turkey's
> navy is formidable.

The Crimean peninsula is actually land. And almost certainly the 
Russians have land based weapons there, which are able to sink any kind 
of hostile vessel, including carriers.

These weapons are certainly hidden in bunkers, where they are very hard 
to destroy.

> The Black Sea fleet does have very long range missiles, they can attack
> just about anywhere in the Black Sea and Ukraine proper but they have to
> cower out of range to do so.

It is actually much easier and safer to attack from land than from a ship.

So, a defender who aims to defend territory against enemy ships is in 
advantage, if the enemies have no land but only ships.

In this case the defenders on land can use land based batteries, which 
are often very difficult to destroy, while ships are a huge, slow and 
weak targets.

US carriers are certainly armed to the teeth, but still they are 
extremely bulky and relatively slow  vihecles, which are almost 
impossible to miss.

So the Russians had an advantage, if their aim is to defend the Crimean 
peninsula.

>>
>> This fact is actually the real cause of the current war, because the
>> US cannot attack Russia without ships. And as long as the Russians can
>> sink any vessel entering the Black Sea, the US Navy cannot approach
>> Russian borders.
...
>> The Russians have also another unfortunate option: they could use
>> their fleet to attack the Ukraine from sea with their battleships.
>
> They're already doing that. They have long range missiles that can reach
> all of Ukraine.

Sure, but ship guns are extremely large and can level entire cities with 
ease.

>> As the Ukraine has no such ships, this would be a very asymmetric
>> attack. And the Nato cannot efficiently help, because they cannot
>> bring their ships into the Black Sea.
>
> NATO hasn't entered this war. NATO countries have only supplied military
> equipment to Ukraine.

Well, yes.

But also NATO troops are in a very unfortunate strategic position, too, 
in case they wanted to enter Ukraine from Poland, for instance.

This is so, because Ukraine is a very flat country and provides little 
hiding possibilities.

Therefore advancing troops coming from the West had to pass almost two 
thousand kilometers of very flat plaines, where the land provides almost 
no protection.

Even high speed war-planes had trouble to pass this distance, since even 
the fastest planes would need almost an hour to fly from Poland to the 
Eastern Ukraine, what gives the Russians more than enough time to 
prepare their air defense.

...

TH

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  Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-11 12:26 +0200
    Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-11 03:39 -0700
      Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-12 07:57 +0200
        Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-11 23:12 -0700
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      Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-12 23:24 -0400
        Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-12 22:29 -0700
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            Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 07:52 -0700
            Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Curtiss Strilakos <scss@urriourr.os> - 2023-07-13 17:42 +0000
            Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-14 07:13 +0200
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                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-14 15:07 -0400
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 12:28 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-14 18:46 -0400
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 16:00 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-15 06:46 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 22:14 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-16 07:01 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 22:04 -0700
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                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 00:57 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-17 07:01 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 23:58 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-18 08:04 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 23:41 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-19 07:42 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 22:52 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-20 07:43 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 23:13 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru 💩💩💩💩💩💩 <urma@isuarmsa.rr> - 2023-07-20 08:24 +0000
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 01:27 -0700
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                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-20 10:48 -0400
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 13:10 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-21 06:50 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-23 14:26 -0400
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-24 08:22 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 23:37 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-25 07:21 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 22:48 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-26 09:17 +0200
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 00:49 -0700
                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-28 07:30 +0200
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                Re: Inconsistent prediction of yhe physics of your idiot guru Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-07-23 08:35 +0200
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