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Re: 'Based On Nonsense'

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Am 22.11.2015 06:18, schrieb Thomas Heger:

> Simple question: is CO2-warming at least somehow plausible?
>
> Well, let me think..
>
> If I have an effect of a substance, the strength of this effect should
> somehow correspond to the amount of this stuff.
>
> So I assume a continuum of concentration: from 0% (no such stuff at all)
> to 100% (only such substance is there).
>
> Now I assume an effect proportional to the amount of the substance in
> question, hence its concentration.
>
> So we take pure CO2 and measure, how much heat it blocks.
>
> Than we multiply the measured effect with 360 ppm (concentration of CO2
> in our atmosphere).
>
> Since the gas CO2 does not block much radiation, the effect is small,
> even at 100%. But divided by 1,000,000 and multiplied by 360 it would be
> hardly measurable.
>
> Next problem: if CO2 absorbs radiation, it would also distribute it
> (into the emptiness of the universe).
>
> This is a well known effect and would question the so called 'green
> house effect'.
>
> Or (in other terms): does CO2 cause heating or cooling?
>
> Real green houses are made from glass or plastic, which have other
> characteristics than gases. Mainly they prevent exchange of gases and
> minimise convection.
>
> But a gas, like CO2, can#t do that (since it is a gas).
>

There is another, even more severe problem with 'CO2-warming':

we as human beings live in a certain medium: we are mostly standing on 
the ground and are surrounded by air.

This is OUR natural environment, but by no means all there is. E.g. fish 
live in water, worms in the soil and birds and insects (mainly) in the air.

So we had to look not only to air-temperatures, if we speak of 'climate'.

Since water has a much greater specific heat capacity, compared with 
air, the main factor in weather and 'climate' is water - not the 
atmosphere, let alone trace gases like CO2.

If we speak of human influence (on weather), we had to look 
predominantly on other forms of influence (rather than gases):

- agriculture
- deforestation
- water use
- covering of soil with streets and buildings
- pollution by dust and chemicals like NO_x
- pollution of the oceans
- influence of airtraffic
- tourism.

Now  the main factor is water in its various forms, on which humans have 
actually influence.

E.g. the clear-cutting of rainforests turn such jungles into a desert, 
where we have no rain anymore, since there are no clouds.

This would then allow the sun to burn on the ground directly, which 
would cause a change of climate.

But much more important are the oceans, since about 2/3 of the Earth is 
covered with water. This is by far the main factor in weather and 
climate, even if humans usually don't live there, hence regard such 
changes as unimportant.

Now it is obvious, that any changes in the oceans are directly related 
to climate changes. This is especially the case for pollutions, if that 
would change certain physical parameters like reflection of infrared.

Another way, how humans change the distribution of water, that are 
draining swamps, building canals or regulate rivers. Also wast areas are 
'sucked dry', by human use of ground water.

This and a few other things have influence, but CO2 has almost none.

But CO2 has influence on plant growth, since it is for plants, what O2 
is for humans.


TH

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