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Re: 'Based On Nonsense'

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Am 21.11.2015 19:38, schrieb pnalsing@gmail.com:

>> Quote from this webpage:
>>
>> "It is reasonable that warming of the oceans is in fact causing CO2
>> increase in the paleo record. What I wonder about is how anyone can turn
>> this into evidence that CO2 causes warming? "
>
> Indeed, that IS a quote from that webpage, but the person making the statement was a responder who was making a statement and asking a question. Note that this quote is shown with a pink background, which means it represents either the 'denier' position or represents a responder's sttement/question, whereas writing with a blue background represents the author's words.
>
> Here is the (blue) response to that question (and others)...
>
> "Response: The paleo record shows that Antarctic temperatures rise about ~800 years before CO2 and Greenland temperatures rise after the CO2 rise. The CO2 warming effect is necessary to explain both how weak orbital forcing can get us out of an ice age and also how an orbital forcing that affects only southern areas can spread through the globe. The paleo record also enables us to compare Co2 forcing with temperature change to calculate climate sensitivity."

Simple question: is CO2-warming at least somehow plausible?

Well, let me think..

If I have an effect of a substance, the strength of this effect should 
somehow correspond to the amount of this stuff.

So I assume a continuum of concentration: from 0% (no such stuff at all) 
to 100% (only such substance is there).

Now I assume an effect proportional to the amount of the substance in 
question, hence its concentration.

So we take pure CO2 and measure, how much heat it blocks.

Than we multiply the measured effect with 360 ppm (concentration of CO2 
in our atmosphere).

Since the gas CO2 does not block much radiation, the effect is small, 
even at 100%. But divided by 1,000,000 and multiplied by 360 it would be 
hardly measurable.

Next problem: if CO2 absorbs radiation, it would also distribute it 
(into the emptiness of the universe).

This is a well known effect and would question the so called 'green 
house effect'.

Or (in other terms): does CO2 cause heating or cooling?

Real green houses are made from glass or plastic, which have other 
characteristics than gases. Mainly they prevent exchange of gases and 
minimise convection.

But a gas, like CO2, can#t do that (since it is a gas).


TH

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  Re: 'Based On Nonsense' pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-20 12:59 -0800
    Re: 'Based On Nonsense' kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-20 16:48 -0500
      Re: 'Based On Nonsense' pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-20 15:42 -0800
        Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-20 17:12 -0800
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          Re: 'Based On Nonsense' pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-20 22:13 -0800
            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-21 02:24 -0500
              Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-21 09:59 +0100
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            Re: 'Based On Nonsense' Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-21 08:47 -0800
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