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Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued
Date	2015-09-16 07:48 +0200
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Am 15.09.2015 22:23, schrieb shuba:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>> Am 14.09.2015 05:53, schrieb shuba:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is obviously a mutual relation and we see something remote
>>>> vanishing in a black hole, this remote object would see us
>>>> (Planet Earth) doing the same.
>>>
>>> It may be obvious to you. Nevertheless it is trivially false.
>>>
>> There exists a so called 'equivalence principle' in relativity.
>>
>> According to this, all inertial FoRs of equal rights.
>
> That is also false. The equivalence principle, in its first meaning
> in the context of general relativity, refers to an equivalence
> between acceleration and gravitation in local regions of spacetime.
>
>> obviously a mutual relation
>
> Why not study the subject? Go find a spacetime diagram of a simple
> black hole and learn to read it. Use Kruskal, Penrose, or whatever
> kind you like. You'll learn there is clearly not a symmetry between
> signals to and from an infalling observer crossing the horizon.
>
> This *ought* to be evident from the fact that signals can cross the
> horizon in one direction only. No event horizon exists near earth.
>

You simply reject my explanation of 'event horizon' and 'black hole' and 
use an example, that could easily explained with my assumption.

It goes like this:

A black hole is actually a region with an axis of time pointing away 
from us. (Such a region I call 'time domain'.)

If time is directed, then timely flow goes in one direction only (from 
past to future).

Now we need to turn the axis of time into a spatial direction - say away 
from us.

What ever is there (in that future direction), that cannot be seen, 
because we can only receive signals from the past, not from the future.

This connection of time and space is  what 'relativity ' means.

And we could actually see such effects in the phenomenon we call 'black 
hole'.

We could also see similar effects in all sorts of other cosmological 
observations. That's why I think, this is a valid assumption.

E.g. we have red- and blue-shift. Also a jet could be interpreted this 
way or a galaxy.

I have also written a longer version about this idea. It's a google.doc, 
that you find here:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

TH

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The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 11:29 +0000
  Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 11:54 +0000
    Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 11:58 +0000
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-11 08:18 -0400
        Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 12:36 +0000
          Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 12:45 +0000
    Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-11 08:15 -0400
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 12:39 +0000
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-11 17:23 -0700
    Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 08:46 -0700
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-17 20:33 +0000
  The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-11 05:56 -0700
    Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-11 13:03 +0000
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-12 08:33 +0200
        Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 08:24 -0400
          Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 05:34 -0700
            Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 09:23 -0400
              Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 09:27 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 17:23 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Frances Espinosa <franesp@portio.org> - 2015-09-12 21:29 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 15:07 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 12:17 -0500
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-14 16:32 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 15:45 -0500
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-14 17:28 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:10 -0500
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-14 20:38 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:27 -0500
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-15 14:38 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 13:44 -0500
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Frances Espinosa <franesp@portio.org> - 2015-09-15 21:01 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Frances Espinosa <franesp@portio.org> - 2015-09-14 20:55 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-14 17:29 -0400
        Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 05:32 -0700
          Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 09:22 -0400
            Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 08:33 -0700
              Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 09:36 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 07:57 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-14 12:29 -0400
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 18:48 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 08:33 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-23 14:10 -0400
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 08:36 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 08:46 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 11:13 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 09:06 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 10:46 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-23 19:19 +0000
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-09-23 17:51 +0000
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-23 11:02 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-23 19:18 +0000
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-24 07:38 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-24 07:55 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-24 08:18 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-24 14:55 +0000
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-24 08:05 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-24 09:15 -0700
                Re: The mixed Up Nonsense of fyller.david - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-24 18:46 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-17 21:02 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-18 13:28 -0700
              Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 12:38 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 10:10 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 11:06 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 11:24 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-12 16:50 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 14:37 -0700
        Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Frances Espinosa <franesp@portio.org> - 2015-09-12 16:03 +0000
      Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-12 21:45 +0200
        Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 13:00 -0700
          Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-13 02:51 +0200
            Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 06:25 -0700
            Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 06:52 -0700
              Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 08:02 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-13 12:12 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-18 20:41 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-18 17:18 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-18 21:49 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-18 22:01 +0000
              Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-13 21:48 +0200
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-13 16:05 -0400
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-14 05:19 +0200
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-09-14 03:53 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 21:15 -0700
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-14 06:57 +0200
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-15 21:18 +0200
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-09-15 20:23 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-16 07:48 +0200
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-09-16 09:49 +0000
                Re: The Nonsense of Divergent Matter - continued Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-16 20:09 +0200

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