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Re: Where is the center of the universe?

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Tom Roberts wrote:
> 
> On 11/25/15 11/25/15 - 10:16 AM, benj wrote:
> > On 11/25/2015 10:59 AM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> >> But they _ARE_ reasonable descriptions to the people who count: experts
> >> interested in the issues involved.
> >
> > Actually there is another option: Fantasy and arrogance. Simply make up your
> > own stories and and arrogantly assure anyone who will listen that they are
> > all how it is even though they really don't make common sense.
> 
> Yes, all too may people around here behave that way.
> 
> But physicists like myself do not. Our theories/models have an important aspect
> that those others do not: experimental and observational confirmation, and
> absence of refutation.
> 
>         Note that common sense has no place in physics, except
>         for regimes in which it was developed (i.e. at size
>         scales from mm to km, time scales from seconds to years,
>         and speeds up to a km/sec or so.
> 
>         IOW: there is no requirement that nature make sense.
>         (It is our remarkable good fortune that much of nature
>         can be described mathematically.)
> 
> Tom Roberts


Nature makes no sense, Math makes sense. Which do you prefer?

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