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Re: Where is the center of the universe?

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Date	2015-11-24 21:44 -0800
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
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Subject	Re: Where is the center of the universe?
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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 5:50:30 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars'
> > > Lahn wrote:
> > >> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >> > The visible universe
> > >> > is what can see us.
> > >> Not even wrong.
> > >
> > > http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/
> > >
> > > Woit's "Not Even Wrong"
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > > [...]
> > > Here visible in the sense
> > > of "accessible to sensory
> > > apparatus
> >
> > The proper term is "_observable_ universe" and it has nothing to do with
> > perception, everything with the universal expansion and the finite speed of
> > light.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe>
> > <http://physics.stackexchange.com/a/57538/17333>
> >
> > > where light speed
> > > is a fixed constant
> >
> > That depends on what you mean by that.  There is a valid interpretation in
> > which this statement is wrong, as the speed of light depends on the optical
> > density of the medium.  It is certainly constant across media of equal
> > optical density.
> >
> > > and the maximum speed of propagation
> > > of information",
> >
> > The speed of light *in vacuum* is the maximum speed of propagation of
> > information.
> >
> > > he visible universe is what can see us.
> >
> > Still nonsense.
> >
> > > And you can call me "James T. Kirk".
> >
> > So far I call you "another gibbering crank".
> >
> > > And the cosmic background infrared is about 3.5 Kelvins,
> >
> > _Microwave_, not infrared, and 2.72548 ± 0.00057 K (Fixsen, 2009).
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Definition_and_relationship_to_the_electromagnetic_spectrum>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background>
> >
> > > and black holes are dark and stars are bright.
> >
> > And violets are blue.  Just how primitive can your arguments get?
> >
> >
> > PointedEars
> > ___________
> > Fixsen, D. J. (2009). "The Temperature of the Cosmic Microwave Background".
> > The Astrophysical Journal 707 (2): 916-920. arXiv:0911.1955.
> > Bibcode:2009ApJ...707..916F. doi:10.1088/0004-637X/707/2/916.
> > --
> > Q: Why is electricity so dangerous?
> > A: It doesn't conduct itself.
> >
> > (from: WolframAlpha)
> 
> Lahn, I'm working from an "axiomless
> system of natural deduction" in terms
> of then that it follows that it's the
> complete and consistent theory for
> numbers then also that it is a scientific
> theory for the concrete.
> 
> So, this is "all the way primitive",
> "truly fundamental" and "fundamental
> as of truisms and truth as a conserved
> quantity".
> 
> That said, then, I have at least an
> engineering curriculum including physics
> and a reasonable undergraduate introduction
> to chemistry and physics and standardized
> exams tell me so.
> 
> That otherwise seems proper enough, it's
> a free country and you're welcome to your
> opinion, and mine, though I'll claim to
> be "not a crank", nor a "troll", though
> I'm very good at it.
> 
> That said now, the observable or visible
> universe, with these being the same,
> basically does have a more or less uniform
> background radiation (in thermal and
> electromagnetic radiation, non-zero).
> 
> Then about how attenuation works over
> cosmological scales is still something
> being learned, where, as above I have
> this theory that is then in terms of
> usual notions of symmetries and conserved
> and preserved quantities here of variety
> and diversity, and yes that's technical,
> the cosmological constant is a mathematical
> infinitesimal in this theory, then for why
> space is not flat and space is not curved.
> (Space is infinitesimally flat and curved.)
> 
> Then, there are features in the numbers and
> continuum analysis, that "discretizing" a
> point is doubling it, on a line, or multiplying
> it by integers factors in area terms like 3,4,5,
> so, I am looking at how the global setting sees
> the measurement effect (of sampling) or observer
> effect (of sampling) among measurement and
> observer effects, that there are numerical reasons
> why the measurement would be off so neatly,
> then for that this automatically so equips the
> mathematical theory.
> 
> That said then as some background, then you can
> refer to me as Ross A. Finlayson and I'd rather
> you not call me crank.  (You're welcome to your
> own opinion.)
> 
> Bright and dark things lens.  This is a supposition
> to help explain the effect of the instantaneous
> changes of gravity (where objects only move at < 0.5c),
> in a rather flat space-time.
> 
> So, that said, yes the "dually-self-infraconsistent
> null axiom theory" the following as being the only
> consistent mathematical theory advises what I see
> as follows as a "theory of physics".



There is no such thing as a "theory of physics".


You need to learn to get your jargon right.

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