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Re: Why is the universe 13.8 milliards years old ?

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Gary Harnagel wrote:

> On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 4:17:11 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:22:58 -0600, Tom Roberts
>> <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > On 11/24/15 11/24/15   1:00 PM, Henry Wilson wrote:
>> > > If you were suddenly dropped into remote space, it would be very
>> > > black everywhere around you unless you were close to a galaxy.
>> > Yes, with "close" being a few thousand lightyears. NOTE: this is due to
>> > the physiology of your eyes.
>> >
>> > If you counted photons, you would find there are LOTS of them, most of
>> > which are in the CMBR -- hundreds of millions per cubic meter.
>> Tom I really feel sorry for you. Each one is traveling at 3E8 m/sec.
>> If you estimate the volume each one, you will be able to calculate that
>> at any instant, only a very small fraction of each cubic metre is
>> occupied by 'photonic material'..
> 
> Poor, poor Ralphie-boy!  He is completely bereft of mathematical ability.

Knowing math alone is insufficient to solve this problem properly.

> Most of the photons are from the CMBR which has a nominal temperature of
> 2.7 kelvins,

2.72548±0.00057 K today (Fixsen, 2009)

> i.e., its wavelength is about 6 mm,

How did you get that idea?

> which is its localization range. 

ISTM that “localization range” is a term which in that regard you just 
invented.

> This means that each one takes up 2x10^-7 cubic meter, or only
> 5 million of them can fill a cubic meter.  20 times that amount will stuff
> that cube quite full.  […]

How did you get the idea that the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is 
related to the number of its photons that could fit within a volume of 
space?


PointedEars
___________
Fixsen, D. J. (2009). The temperature of the cosmic microwave background. 
The Astrophysical Journal, 707(2), 916.
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch?  
A: Fission chips.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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