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Re: Triangles and predicates

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: Triangles and predicates
Date 2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
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mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:

>On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>> >>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>> >>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>> >>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>> >>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>> >>>>>> definition then.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>> >>>>> according to definition now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>> >>>
>> >>> Is?
>> >>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>> >>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>> >>> getting it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>> >> current definition". It didn't.
>> > 
>> > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
>> > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
>> > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
>> > 
>> 
>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was" 
>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".


>Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
>grammar" from?
>Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
>"1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
>What does English grammar say?

That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
as of now (2018) or as of that past time.

You should write this: "Was there a time when 1 wass a prime according to
the then-current definition of a prime was true?"

That make it clear that you mean the definition of prime in use at
that past time.

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Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
  Re: Triangles and predicates Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-03 06:36 -0400
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 03:48 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-04 14:00 +0000
        Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 09:20 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 05:03 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:35 -0500
        Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:47 -0700
          Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 07:44 -0500
            Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:09 -0700
              Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 21:16 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 07:31 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 14:40 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 13:31 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 15:53 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:01 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:17 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 23:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 00:12 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 04:46 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:20 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:10 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:30 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:38 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:50 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:33 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:46 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 16:59 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:49 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:58 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:15 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 04:26 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 23:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:24 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:02 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:13 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:25 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:37 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:43 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:48 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 23:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:23 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:00 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:26 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 00:55 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:31 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 00:08 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:34 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 22:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-25 01:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:59 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:08 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:32 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:37 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-27 03:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:30 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:20 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:32 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 07:12 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:10 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:55 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:27 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 19:01 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:57 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-17 14:52 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-17 21:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-18 19:11 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 21:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-19 18:57 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-19 22:14 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 21:29 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:32 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:50 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 07:15 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 05:38 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 16:15 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 21:22 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 18:57 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-22 21:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-23 07:41 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-23 07:59 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:02 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:19 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:30 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:36 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:49 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 23:20 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 00:35 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:39 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:54 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
                Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 15:37 +0200
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:44 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:43 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:41 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:51 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 06:48 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0500
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:56 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:13 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 08:08 -0400
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 05:16 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@example.invalid> - 2018-06-06 23:05 +0200
                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:03 -0700
          Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:31 -0700
  Re: Triangles and predicates "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-25 23:41 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 01:00 -0700

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