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Triangles and predicates

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First post2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
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  Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-03 06:36 -0400
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 03:48 -0700
        Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-04 14:00 +0000
          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 09:20 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 05:03 -0700
        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:35 -0500
          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:47 -0700
            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 07:44 -0500
              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0500
                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 21:16 -0700
                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 07:31 -0500
                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0700
                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 14:40 -0500
                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 13:31 -0700
                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 15:53 -0500
                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:01 -0700
                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:17 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 23:56 -0700
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 00:12 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 04:46 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:20 -0500
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:10 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:28 -0500
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:30 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:38 -0500
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:50 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:33 -0500
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 16:59 -0500
                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:49 -0500
                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:58 -0700
                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:15 -0700
                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 04:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:14 -0700
                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 23:57 -0700
                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:13 -0700
                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:25 -0700
                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:44 -0700
                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:09 -0700
                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:37 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:43 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:48 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:51 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 23:56 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:23 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:00 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:29 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:26 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 00:55 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:31 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:49 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:57 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 00:08 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:34 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:14 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 22:51 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-25 01:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:09 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:59 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:08 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:32 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:49 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:37 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-27 03:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:20 -0700
                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:32 -0500
                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 07:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:55 -0500
                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 19:01 -0500
                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:57 -0700
                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-17 14:52 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-17 21:29 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-18 19:11 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 21:28 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-19 18:57 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-19 22:14 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 21:29 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:32 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:50 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 07:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 05:38 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 16:15 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 21:22 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 18:57 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-22 21:49 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-23 07:41 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-23 07:59 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:44 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:19 -0500
                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:30 -0500
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:36 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:49 -0700
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 23:20 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:05 -0700
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 00:35 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:39 -0500
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:54 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 15:37 +0200
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:44 -0700
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:43 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:35 -0500
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:41 -0500
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:51 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 06:48 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0500
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:13 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 08:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 05:16 -0700
                            Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@example.invalid> - 2018-06-06 23:05 +0200
                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:03 -0700
            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:31 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-25 23:41 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 01:00 -0700

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#415945

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 10:02 -0700
Message-ID<41fec4f7-648b-4bfb-99a1-4995ccdfa63b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415941
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:44:28 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:15:14 AM UTC-7, Shobe, Martin wrote:
> > On 6/20/2018 11:29 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:31:13 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >> On 6/20/2018 12:14 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:57:14 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The rules of grammar, details elsewhere, agree that the "was"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified the phrase "a time" not "current definition".
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> A lie, as expected from fanatic trash.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no such rules, you've fabricated them.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You've never heard of transitive verbs? Wow.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I've heard of transitive verbs and you've
> > >>>>>>>>>>> fabricated the rules you're mentioning.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a fanatic trash.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> It's a basic English rule and you clearly don't know it.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> It's not and you clearly fabricated it. As
> > >>>>>>>>> expected from fanatic trash, of course.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "A transitive verb needs to transfer its action to something or
> > >>>>>>>> someone—an object."
> > >>>>>>> That's right.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Finally, you've seen the light.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> See https://www.grammarly.com/blog/transitive-and-intransitive-verbs/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> But no rule that "was" modify the phrase "a time" not "current
> > >>>>>>> definition". You've fabricated this rule, as expected from
> > >>>>>>> fanatic, lying trash.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> That's your fabrication. I never said that you couldn't use was to
> > >>>>>> modify "current definition".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Why are your lies so stupid, fellow software engineer?
> > >>>>> Google keeps record. You know it does.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Its record agrees with me. You know it does.
> > >>>
> > >>> No, it doesn't. Quoting (for those too lazy
> > >>> to search just above).
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The rules of grammar, details elsewhere, agree that the "was"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified the phrase "a time" not "current definition".
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So, why are your lies so stupid?
> > >>
> > >> That doesn't say what you claim it says, liar. You're trying to change a
> > >> claim about a specific statement into a claim about all statements.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > Special rules of grammar applying only to one specific
> > > (your) statement.
> > > 
> > > Why are your lies so stupid?
> > > 
> > 
> > It's not my lie. It's yours.
> > 
> > Martin Shobe
> 
> Well Martin, I think we can agree that 
> you're arguing with a troll, from what 
> I gather just another equivocator and 
> it's pretty clear that it really hasn't 
> written anything relevant to mathematics 
> or an opinion there, and just has one 
> howler fallacy about physics, it 
> appears to be a low-level howler troll.
> 
> The taxonomy of trolls is wide and varied, 
> here arguing definitions is one marker, 
> and maintaining the howler another.
> 
> It's pretty clear that you're in the right, 
> but, not so much that troll would ever 
> not be in the wrong.
> 
> Troll:  do you have an opinion or position 
> statement?  The howling's rather detached 
> from the subject of the topic.  If you're 
> interested in a book about triangles, we're 
> pretty much all familiar with Euclid's Elements.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Who_Say_Ni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35rVw1zskA

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#414927

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-07 07:19 -0500
Message-ID<pfb7tc$6d5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#414886
On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>
>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>
>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>
>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>
>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>
>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>
>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>> definition then.
> 
> 
> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> according to definition now.

So show that 1 is prime using the current definition (A prime number is 
a positive integer p > 1 that has no positive integer divisors other 
than 1 and p itself.) A necessary step is showing that 1 > 1.

Good luck with that.

Martin Shobe

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#414931

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
Message-ID<acc959ee-eb79-40db-948b-6a2a5cbf3c39@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#414927
On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> >>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> >>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> >>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> >>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No there was not.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes there was.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Evidence?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After yours?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> >>>>
> >>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> >>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> >>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> >>>>
> >>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >>>>
> >>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >>>>
> >>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >>> given the current meaning prime.
> >>
> >> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >> definition then.
> > 
> > 
> > And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > according to definition now.
> 
> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition

Is?
Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
getting it.

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#414987

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-07 16:30 -0500
Message-ID<pfc85r$8eg$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#414931
On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>
>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>> definition then.
>>>
>>>
>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>> according to definition now.
>>
>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> 
> Is?
> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> getting it.
> 

I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
current definition". It didn't.

Martin Shobe

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#415013

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-07 21:36 -0700
Message-ID<8c512af1-132a-4d8c-909a-dd164c349667@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#414987
On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> >>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Evidence?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After yours?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> >>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> >>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> >>>>
> >>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >>>> definition then.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> >>> according to definition now.
> >>
> >> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > 
> > Is?
> > Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > getting it.
> > 
> 
> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
> current definition". It didn't.

I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
fanatic morons always imagine such things.

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#415021

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-07 22:49 -0700
Message-ID<8897dabd-b135-41a0-9d2d-e90ae6946d74@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415013
Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 06:36:30 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> After yours?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > >>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > >>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > >>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > >>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > >>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > >>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > >>>> definition then.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > >>> according to definition now.
> > >>
> > >> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > 
> > > Is?
> > > Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > getting it.
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
> > current definition". It didn't.
> 
> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> fanatic morons always imagine such things.

Just stop with the wrod plays, that is all you do. Play with words in order to avoid having to deal with the fact that you are an idiot.

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#415027

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-07 23:20 -0700
Message-ID<afc9ede2-9407-4745-b771-457ca416d54a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415021
On Friday, 8 June 2018 07:49:20 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 06:36:30 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> After yours?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > > >>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > > >>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > > >>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > > >>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > > >>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > > >>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > > >>>> definition then.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > > >>> according to definition now.
> > > >>
> > > >> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > > 
> > > > Is?
> > > > Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > > difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > > getting it.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
> > > current definition". It didn't.
> > 
> > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> 
> Just stop with the wrod plays, that is all you do.

Isn't it sci.math, poor halfbrain?

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#415031

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-08 00:05 -0700
Message-ID<6835e07f-45bc-447b-8c0a-eb71cf94bbb7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415027
Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 08:20:50 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 07:49:20 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> > Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 06:36:30 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> After yours?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > > > >>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > > > >>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > > > >>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > > > >>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > > > >>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > > > >>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > > > >>>> definition then.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > > > >>> according to definition now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is?
> > > > > Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > > > difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > > > getting it.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
> > > > current definition". It didn't.
> > > 
> > > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > 
> > Just stop with the wrod plays, that is all you do.
> 
> Isn't it sci.math, poor halfbrain?

So you admit to doing wordplays

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#415035

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-08 00:35 -0700
Message-ID<100db568-509d-475d-a377-bead2580ce5b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415031
On Friday, 8 June 2018 09:05:23 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 08:20:50 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> > On Friday, 8 June 2018 07:49:20 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> > > Den fredag 8 juni 2018 kl. 06:36:30 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> > > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> After yours?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > > > > >>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > > > > >>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > > > > >>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > > > > >>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > > > > >>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > > > > >>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > > > > >>>> definition then.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > > > > >>> according to definition now.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is?
> > > > > > Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > > > > difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > > > > getting it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the 
> > > > > current definition". It didn't.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > > > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > > > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > > 
> > > Just stop with the wrod plays, that is all you do.
> > 
> > Isn't it sci.math, poor halfbrain?
> 
> So you admit to doing wordplays

Zelos, poor idiot, mathematics is one great wordplay.

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#415282

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
Message-ID<3759d5f9-e056-4f5f-8738-3760c0053db2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415035
> Zelos, poor idiot, mathematics is one great wordplay.

Not at all, it is a strict dicipline where words are only used because it is what we use to communicate, beyond that it has no need for them.

>What does English grammar say? 

Here you are doing it agin, someone brings up you fail basic communication and you are doing like a child and try to go "I know you are, but what am I?" kind of spiel where you use their point and try to shove it in where it makes no sense, and it all begin because you are INTENTIONALLY being obtuse and making communication more difficult in order to avoid having to face the fact you ar WRONG!

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#415058

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-08 07:39 -0500
Message-ID<pfdte1$72u$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#415013
On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>>>> definition then.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>>>> according to definition now.
>>>>
>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>>>
>>> Is?
>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>>> getting it.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>> current definition". It didn't.
> 
> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> 

Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was" 
modifying "time" not "the current definition".

Martin Shobe

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#415061

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-08 05:54 -0700
Message-ID<9ae4a37e-e45e-459b-b1e3-c5a8384b3965@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415058
On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> After yours?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> >>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> >>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >>>>>> definition then.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> >>>>> according to definition now.
> >>>>
> >>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> >>>
> >>> Is?
> >>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> >>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> >>> getting it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> >> current definition". It didn't.
> > 
> > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > 
> 
> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was" 
> modifying "time" not "the current definition".


Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
grammar" from?
Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
"1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
What does English grammar say?

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#415066

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
Message-ID<pfe0ji$hvk$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#415061
mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:

>On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>> >>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>> >>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>> >>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>> >>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>> >>>>>> definition then.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>> >>>>> according to definition now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>> >>>
>> >>> Is?
>> >>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>> >>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>> >>> getting it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>> >> current definition". It didn't.
>> > 
>> > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
>> > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
>> > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
>> > 
>> 
>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was" 
>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".


>Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
>grammar" from?
>Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
>"1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
>What does English grammar say?

That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
as of now (2018) or as of that past time.

You should write this: "Was there a time when 1 wass a prime according to
the then-current definition of a prime was true?"

That make it clear that you mean the definition of prime in use at
that past time.

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#415067

FromPython <python@python.invalid>
Date2018-06-08 15:37 +0200
Message-ID<5b1a86a6$0$14320$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#415066
Michael Moroney wrote:
> mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:
...
>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
>> grammar" from?
>> Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
>> "1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
>> What does English grammar say?
> 
> That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
> as of now (2018) or as of that past time.
> 
> You should write this: "Was there a time when 1 wass a prime according to
> the then-current definition of a prime was true?"
> 
> That make it clear that you mean the definition of prime in use at
> that past time.

You may have noticed that if Mr Wozniak would make himself clear he
couldn't pretend not to appear as an idiot.


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#415069

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-08 06:44 -0700
Message-ID<53a04000-ecf1-4a11-b2dc-aec7ae76c20e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415067
On Friday, 8 June 2018 15:37:47 UTC+2, Python  wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
> > mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:
> ...
> >> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> >> grammar" from?
> >> Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
> >> "1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
> >> What does English grammar say?
> > 
> > That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
> > as of now (2018) or as of that past time.
> > 
> > You should write this: "Was there a time when 1 wass a prime according to
> > the then-current definition of a prime was true?"
> > 
> > That make it clear that you mean the definition of prime in use at
> > that past time.
> 
> You may have noticed that if Mr Wozniak would make himself clear he
> couldn't pretend not to appear as an idiot.

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.


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#415068

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-08 06:43 -0700
Message-ID<7e547e5b-7108-47dd-9661-7bfc7717abc3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415066
On Friday, 8 June 2018 15:33:44 UTC+2, Michael Moroney  wrote:
> mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:
> 
> >On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >> >>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >> >>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >> >>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >> >>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >> >>>>>> definition then.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> >> >>>>> according to definition now.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is?
> >> >>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> >> >>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> >> >>> getting it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> >> >> current definition". It didn't.
> >> > 
> >> > I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> >> > to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> >> > fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was" 
> >> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> 
> 
> >Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> >grammar" from?
> >Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
> >"1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
> >What does English grammar say?
> 
> That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
> as of now (2018) or as of that past time.


Of course it is.
 
> You should write this: "Was there a time when 1 wass a prime according to
> the then-current definition of a prime was true?"

You can tell your fellow idiot Odd what he should do.
But I doubt he will obey as well.

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#415111

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-08 16:35 -0500
Message-ID<pfesri$u6m$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#415068
On 6/8/2018 8:43 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 15:33:44 UTC+2, Michael Moroney  wrote:
>> mlwozniak@wp.pl writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>>>>>>>> definition then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is?
>>>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>>>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>>>>>>> getting it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>>>>>> current definition". It didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
>>>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
>>>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
>>>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
>>
>>
>>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
>>> grammar" from?
>>> Or maybe I'll ask a different way: was there a time when
>>> "1 is a prime according to current definition" was true?
>>> What does English grammar say?
>>
>> That statement is ambiguous since it is ambiguous whether "current" means
>> as of now (2018) or as of that past time.
> 
> 
> Of course it is.

It's also not what I said.

Martin Shobe

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#415112

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-08 16:41 -0500
Message-ID<pfet6h$1de$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#415061
On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>>>>>> definition then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>>>>>> according to definition now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>>>>>
>>>>> Is?
>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>>>>> getting it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>>>> current definition". It didn't.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
>>>
>>
>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> 
> 
> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> grammar" from?

By learning to speak English. It's the normal subject-verb-object stuff. 
The subject is "There", the verb is "was" and the object is "a time".

Martin Shobe

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#415124

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-08 21:51 -0700
Message-ID<28bcfd83-091c-43f1-909d-349fca8ef4b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415112
On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> >>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> >>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >>>>>>>> definition then.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>> according to definition now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is?
> >>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> >>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> >>>>> getting it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> >>>> current definition". It didn't.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> >>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> >>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> >> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> > 
> > 
> > Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> > grammar" from?
> 
> By learning to speak English.

I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
Reassuming, it's a language where thinking people
have a great advantage over dumb fanatics. You can't 
win. Even if it's your native language, not mine.

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#415157

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-09 10:05 -0700
Message-ID<91d7e484-8bd6-4ea0-affe-1f67b1ae3886@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415124
On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 9:51:54 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > >>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > >>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > >>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > >>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > >>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > >>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > >>>>>>>> definition then.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > >>>>>>> according to definition now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Is?
> > >>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > >>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > >>>>> getting it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> > >>>> current definition". It didn't.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > >>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > >>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> > >> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> > > grammar" from?
> > 
> > By learning to speak English.
> 
> I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
> Reassuming, it's a language where thinking people
> have a great advantage over dumb fanatics. You can't 
> win. Even if it's your native language, not mine.

Euh, the prime numbers don't include 1.

Historically, archaically, obsoletely, 
there was once considered a set of 
numbers of the primes including 1 
that was labelled primes, but, without 
qualification that would no longer 
represent a compatible definition.

There's a bulk of number theory about 
the prime numbers, today, and, these 
prime numbers don't include 1.

These days being correct is considered 
"winning", mathematically, not some 
troll's disadvantage gradient because 
rhetorical trouble-making is trollery, 
and mathematics is not bait-and-switch.

Notice the quadratic sieve's integer 
points' connections' intersections of 
the axis intersect the composite integers 
(1 isn't a composite, either).

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/QuadraticSieve.html

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