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  a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-07 03:19 +0000
    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-12 12:57 -0600
      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 09:23 +1100
        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 09:50 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 13:51 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-13 09:46 -0600
        Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-13 09:41 -0600
        Re: a small but significant win Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-10-13 21:19 -0700
          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:02 +1100
            Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:11 +1100
              Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:42 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:18 +1100
            Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 07:29 +0000
              Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:38 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 03:08 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 17:02 +0000
                    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:35 -0600
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 14:48 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:56 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 16:02 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:36 -0600
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:04 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:01 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:41 -0600
                      Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-16 20:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:39 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 11:03 -0600
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:32 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 07:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:42 -0600
                      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:24 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:10 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:44 -0600
                          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 05:43 +1100
                            Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 13:00 -0600
                            Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:48 +1100
                              Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-16 03:06 +0000
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:11 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:26 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:42 -0600
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:15 +1100
              Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-14 20:34 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 09:54 +0000
                  Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:01 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 22:09 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 07:52 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 23:49 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 03:25 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:10 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:00 +1100
                          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:15 +1100
                            Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:45 +1100
                              Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:51 +1100
                                Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 08:06 +1100
                                  Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 08:34 +1100
                                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 09:31 +1100
                                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 11:07 +1100
                                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 14:32 +1100
                                          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:39 +1100
                                            Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 16:03 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win 000-666 <8-0-15@never.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:50 +0000
            Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 11:01 -0600
              Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:30 +1100

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#102511

On 10/14/26 10:08 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> 
>> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site
> 
> And is just another Murdoch shit rag

"Shoot the messenger" = classic LUSER rhetoric when challenged.

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#102516

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:36:59 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:

>On 10/14/26 10:08 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>> 
>>> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site
>> 
>> And is just another Murdoch shit rag
>
>"Shoot the messenger" = classic LUSER rhetoric when challenged.
>
The article is absoluly accurate so had Google AI confirm it.

Just to quell Rod Speed's normal BS reply, had AI take a look and it
concluded are real multiple HoR ballot papers.
https://share.google/aimode/39pCTtSJFS230fmma

Have to wonder if "Albanese Labor" are even a legitly elected House of
Representees (HoR) government?
-- 
Petzl
An evil enemy will from within, 
will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
   Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu 
   (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.

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#102521

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Have to wonder if "Albanese Labor" are even a legitlyelected House of    
> Representees (HoR) government?

Nothing illegitimate about those ballot papers
if they were in fact postal ballots filled out by the
one individual for those who can't read english

And even you should be able to work out that just
6 ballot papers would make no difference to the
result that albo got in that tremendous landslide
result, if someone was actually stupid enough to
lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, again

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#102528

On 10/14/26 3:04 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:36:59 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/26 10:08 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site
>>>
>>> And is just another Murdoch shit rag
>>
>> "Shoot the messenger" = classic LUSER rhetoric when challenged.
>>
> The article is absoluly accurate so had Google AI confirm it.
> 
> Just to quell Rod Speed's normal BS reply, had AI take a look and it
> concluded are real multiple HoR ballot papers.
> https://share.google/aimode/39pCTtSJFS230fmma

This is a global "dominion grade" scam, we have it too.

> Have to wonder if "Albanese Labor" are even a legitly elected House of
> Representees (HoR) government?

All sound reasoning and data points.

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#102558

On 15/10/2026 8:04 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:36:59 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
>> On 10/14/26 10:08 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site
>>>
>>> And is just another Murdoch shit rag
>>
>> "Shoot the messenger" = classic LUSER rhetoric when challenged.
>>
> The article is absoluly accurate so had Google AI confirm it.
> 
> Just to quell Rod Speed's normal BS reply, had AI take a look and it
> concluded are real multiple HoR ballot papers.
> https://share.google/aimode/39pCTtSJFS230fmma
> 
> Have to wonder if "Albanese Labor" are even a legitly elected House of
> Representees (HoR) government?
> 
Hey, Petzl, what other for of Government to YOU expect to rule in 
Australia apart from a "legitly elected House of Representees (HoR) 
government"??

-- 
Daniel70

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#102524

multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site

>>  And is just another Murdoch shit rag

> "Shoot the messenger"

That's no messenger, fuckwit

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#102532

On 10/14/26 4:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> 
>>>  And is just another Murdoch shit rag
> 
>> "Shoot the messenger"
> 
> That's no messenger, fuckwit


The newspaper is not a messenger...are you cranial-septic, mate?

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#102541

multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>  And is just another Murdoch shit rag

>>> "Shoot the messenger"

>>  That's no messenger, fuckwit

> The newspaper is not a messenger...

Not when it's just spewing lies

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#102512

On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 03:08:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a>
>>      https://tinyurl.com/2wsahp9h
>> TikTok linked to controversial mosque posted video of multiple ballots
>> backing Labor MP
>
>Not ballot papers, HOW TO VOTES
>
>> A TikTok account linked to a mosque – which was handed a $670,000
>> taxpayer-funded grant by Labor MP Julian Hill before last year’s
>> federal election – posted a video from within a voting centre of
>> multiple ballot papers backing Mr Hill a week before polling day.
>
>So can't be ballot papers, JUST how to votes
>
>> sample/image copied from paper
>> https://ibb.co/LXDRnVpR
>
>Those are HOW TO VOTES
>
You still feeding  on BS

https://share.google/aimode/39pCTtSJFS230fmma
No, these are official, legal ballot papers rather than political
"How-to-Vote" cards.
You can confidently identify these as real Australian Electoral
Commission (AEC) ballot papers due to several explicit design features
visible in the image:
• Official Watermarks and Headers: The top of each green slip clearly
displays the Commonwealth coat of arms and explicitly reads "House of
Representatives Ballot Paper". [1]
(https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a)
• The "Green Paper" Standard: In Australian federal elections, the AEC
prints all House of Representatives ballot papers on specific green
paper, while the Senate uses long white sheets. Political party
"How-to-Vote" cards are printed on standard marketing paper and are
legally required to carry explicit authorization details from the
respective political party. [1]
(https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6119848/everything-you-need-to-know-for-the-federal-election/),
[2]
(https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/explained-how-to-vote-in-the-2025-federal-election/news-story/0407c49c00020e6758c6fe7243f2d4d5)
• Security Texturizing: The faint, patterned background texture
covering the green area is a security feature utilized by the AEC on
authentic ballots to prevent counterfeiting and reproduction. [1]
(https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a)
Because these are actual ballots, the Daily Telegraph article notes
that posting a video showing completed, multiple ballots from within
an active voting center sparked a major controversy and regulatory
scrutiny. [1]
(https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a)
--
Petzl
In a democracy of course you always get a choice
Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
it’s entirely up to you
Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
you get to choose.
Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
con-men or by charlatans
In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it’s
your choice
Do you want, some more choices.
Take-it-or-leave-it
Now there’s a real choice
we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
I’d be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you

I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
shame or principle

All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
same time

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#102513

On 10/14/26 2:38 PM, Petzl wrote:
> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
> shame or principle
> 
> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
> same time

Sound rejections all.

So how about your version of the LP?

Yes, Australia has an official Libertarian Party.
The Libertarian Party (LP) operates as a registered political party at 
both the federal level and across several states, including New South 
Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, and Western Australia.
The party has evolved through a few notable name changes and strategic 
shifts:

Origins and Rebranding

• The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP): Founded in Canberra in 2001, the 
party operated for more than two decades under the name "Liberal 
Democratic Party". Because the name closely resembled Australia's main 
conservative party (the Liberal Party), it occasionally led to voter 
confusion—and even structural electoral benefits due to donkey voting.
• The Name Change: Following federal changes to party naming laws and a 
desire for clearer branding, the party officially rebranded and 
registered as the Libertarian Party.

Core Ideology and Platforms

The party promotes a mixture of right-libertarianism, classical 
liberalism, and elements of Australian conservatism. Its platform includes:
• Small Government: Advocating for drastically lower taxes, cutting 
government spending, and decentralizing federal power.
• Individual Liberty: Opposing government regulations on free speech, 
smoking laws, and civil liberty restrictions.
• Armed Self-Defense: Pushing for the legalization of pepper spray and 
introducing US-style "castle doctrine" laws for homeowners.
• Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy: Believing Australia should reject 
globalist organizations like the UN and WEF, aiming instead to be an 
independent, neutral "Switzerland of the South Pacific".
• Border Controls: Unlike some traditional open-border Western 
libertarians, the Australian party supports merit-based immigration 
restrictions, arguing that unowned public infrastructure is paid for by 
domestic taxpayers and must be protected.

Political Presence and Representation

While Australia's preferential voting system favors the two major 
parties (Labor and the Coalition) in the lower house, the Libertarian 
Party has found success utilizing the proportional representation system 
of upper houses:
• State Parliaments: The party holds seats in state upper houses, 
including MPs like John Ruddick in the New South Wales Legislative 
Council and David Limbrick in the Victorian Legislative Council.
• Federal History: The party reached its federal peak when David 
Leyonhjelm was elected to the Australian Senate representing New South 
Wales in 2013 and 2016.
• Local Representation: The party has picked up a foothold in local 
government, successfully electing several local councilors across 
Victoria and New South Wales.

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#102518

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:42:52 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:

>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>> shame or principle
>> 
>> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
>> same time
>
>Sound rejections all.
>
>So how about your version of the LP?
>
Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.

Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.
When I vote if their is some sort of Christian in poll, that's who I
vote for, realistically though with Preference system they are a
funnel for the pretend LP.
Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
the golden trough

latest headline none of this travel has anything to her Cabinet
position just thieving lying grabbing what she can take like all the
others

Coalition slams Small Business Minister Anne Aly over $150,000
taxpayer-funded overseas travel

Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
traditional Labor sense. There are no miners, factory hands, railway
workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
directly from the shop floor. The people now speaking for Labor
largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#102522

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>>> shame or principle

Corse Hanson has lots of that, eh ?

Just who do you propose to vote for ?

>>> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardlyand war mongering at  
>>> the   same time

The greens aren't war mongering, fuckwit

>> Sound rejections all.

>> So how about your version of the LP?

> Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
> Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.

> Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.

I never ever said anything about  how you vote, fuckwit

> When I vote if their is some sort of Christian in poll, that's who I
> vote for,

Wota terminal fuckwit

> realistically though with Preference system they are a
> funnel for the pretend LP.

> Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
> system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
> politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
> the golden trough

Mindless bullshit with the greens but only terminal
fuckwits are actually stupid enough to vote for them

> latest headline none of this travel has anything to her Cabinet
> position just thieving lying grabbing what she can take like all the
> others

Try that again in english when not completely blotto and drug crazed

> Coalition slams Small Business Minister Anne Aly over $150,000
> taxpayer-funded overseas travel

> Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
> traditional Labor sense.

That's the last thing any govt needs

> There are no miners, factory hands, railway
> workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
> directly from the shop floor.

That's the last thing any govt needs

> The people now speaking for Labor
> largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
> positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.

Just as true of all politicians

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#102530

On 10/14/26 3:24 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:42:52 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
> 
>>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>>> shame or principle
>>>
>>> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
>>> same time
>>
>> Sound rejections all.
>>
>> So how about your version of the LP?
>>
> Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
> Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.

We historically have had parties morph out of what they were as well, 
just not lately - for that we have the uniparty complicity scam.

> Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.
> When I vote if their is some sort of Christian in poll, that's who I
> vote for, realistically though with Preference system they are a
> funnel for the pretend LP.

Sad.

> Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
> system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
> politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
> the golden trough

Fact.

> latest headline none of this travel has anything to her Cabinet
> position just thieving lying grabbing what she can take like all the
> others
> 
> Coalition slams Small Business Minister Anne Aly over $150,000
> taxpayer-funded overseas travel

Wow - big $$!

> Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
> traditional Labor sense. There are no miners, factory hands, railway
> workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
> directly from the shop floor. The people now speaking for Labor
> largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
> positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.

It's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" - apparatchik style.

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#102535

On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 10:44:29 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:

>On 10/14/26 3:24 PM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:42:52 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>>>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>>>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>>>> shame or principle
>>>>
>>>> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
>>>> same time
>>>
>>> Sound rejections all.
>>>
>>> So how about your version of the LP?
>>>
>> Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
>> Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.
>
>We historically have had parties morph out of what they were as well, 
>just not lately - for that we have the uniparty complicity scam.
>
Suppose it's free enterprise?
Honesty though thrown out the door!
>
>> Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.
>> When I vote if their is some sort of Christian in poll, that's who I
>> vote for, realistically though with Preference system they are a
>> funnel for the pretend LP.
>
>Sad.
>
I like first past the winning post as in it gives a better more honest
Government not one rum by lobbyists
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists
Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.
>
>> Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
>> system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
>> politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
>> the golden trough
>
>Fact.
>
Afraid so, grifters all and only allow other griffters in politics to
protect each other!
>
>> latest headline none of this travel has anything to her Cabinet
>> position just thieving lying grabbing what she can take like all the
>> others
>> 
>> Coalition slams Small Business Minister Anne Aly over $150,000
>> taxpayer-funded overseas travel
>
>Wow - big $$!
>
Only when and if they are caught (mainly by media not internally) the
are only made to pay back what they were found to be stolen!

But no actual penalty this evidently has not stopped her or others
trying again?
It is simply a breakdown of how the political system protects its own.

Suggest more fitting ,a multiple of inappropriate costs be repaid,
not just amount that's been found this time round.
>
>> Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
>> traditional Labor sense. There are no miners, factory hands, railway
>> workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
>> directly from the shop floor. The people now speaking for Labor
>> largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
>> positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.
>
>It's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" - apparatchik style.
>
apparatchik style is what is known in Westminster Government as 
"Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime minister" those in government public
service

Shelved after this one exposing the cons of Global Warming
https://ok.ru/video/6904831150790
>
--
Petzl
In a democracy of course you always get a choice
Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
it’s entirely up to you
Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
you get to choose.
Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
con-men or by charlatans
In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it’s
your choice
Do you want, some more choices.
Take-it-or-leave-it
Now there’s a real choice
we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
I’d be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you

I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
shame or principle

All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
same time

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#102536

On 10/15/26 12:43 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 10:44:29 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/26 3:24 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:42:52 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>>>>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>>>>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>>>>> shame or principle
>>>>>
>>>>> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
>>>>> same time
>>>>
>>>> Sound rejections all.
>>>>
>>>> So how about your version of the LP?
>>>>
>>> Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
>>> Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.
>>
>> We historically have had parties morph out of what they were as well,
>> just not lately - for that we have the uniparty complicity scam.
>>
> Suppose it's free enterprise?
> Honesty though thrown out the door!

100% yes!

But the elites who profit have buried and nested agendas to service.

Pick one (or the other) but never see what it truly is until it's too late.

>>
>>> Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.
>>> When I vote if their is some sort of Christian in poll, that's who I
>>> vote for, realistically though with Preference system they are a
>>> funnel for the pretend LP.
>>
>> Sad.
>>
> I like first past the winning post as in it gives a better more honest
> Government not one rum by lobbyists

Indeed so.

> "Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists
> Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
> paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
> That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

This is our peril too, with different names attached.

>>
>>> Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
>>> system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
>>> politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
>>> the golden trough
>>
>> Fact.
>>
> Afraid so, grifters all and only allow other griffters in politics to
> protect each other!

As George Carlin (the late comedian) opined - "it's a big club...and we 
ain't in it..."


>>
>>> latest headline none of this travel has anything to her Cabinet
>>> position just thieving lying grabbing what she can take like all the
>>> others
>>>
>>> Coalition slams Small Business Minister Anne Aly over $150,000
>>> taxpayer-funded overseas travel
>>
>> Wow - big $$!
>>
> Only when and if they are caught (mainly by media not internally) the
> are only made to pay back what they were found to be stolen!

You do realize this is also the Kimberly Guilfoile saga right now 
unfolding here:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DecDjorgAuz/

The White House has asked Kimberly Guilfoyle to resign as U.S. 
ambassador to Greece, after The Wall Street Journal reported that she 
had solicited $100,000 from a Trump donor in the run-up to her 
confirmation hearing last year.⁠

> But no actual penalty this evidently has not stopped her or others
> trying again?
> It is simply a breakdown of how the political system protects its own.
> 
> Suggest more fitting ,a multiple of inappropriate costs be repaid,
> not just amount that's been found this time round.

And on and on it goes...

>>
>>> Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
>>> traditional Labor sense. There are no miners, factory hands, railway
>>> workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
>>> directly from the shop floor. The people now speaking for Labor
>>> largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
>>> positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.
>>
>> It's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" - apparatchik style.
>>
> apparatchik style is what is known in Westminster Government as
> "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime minister" those in government public
> service

:-)

> Shelved after this one exposing the cons of Global Warming
> https://ok.ru/video/6904831150790

;-)

"Oh come off it Humnphrey!"

"The prime minister's not here to do what's right..."

>>
> --
> Petzl
> In a democracy of course you always get a choice
> Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
> it’s entirely up to you
> Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
> you get to choose.
> Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
> con-men or by charlatans
> In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
> and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it’s
> your choice
> Do you want, some more choices.
> Take-it-or-leave-it
> Now there’s a real choice
> we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
> I’d be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you

I'm not in  multi-party squeeze play, so...

I guess you can rank and hope?

> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
> shame or principle

Good luck.

> All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
> same time

A brilliant disguise, eh?

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#102542

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>>> multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote

>>>> So how about your version of the LP?

>>> Consider myself Labor Party, this "Labor Party" has no Labor people in
>>> Cabinet. Haven't for decades! LP the same.

>> We historically have had parties morph out of what they were as well,

All partys do that

>> just not lately -

That's bullshit given the demise of the Tea Party freaks in the repugs  
party

> for that we have the uniparty complicity scam.

That's mindless bullshit. hasn't happened

> Suppose it's free enterprise?

More of your mindless bullshit

> Honesty though thrown out the door!

Politics never had anything like that

>>> Never voted Liberal Rod Speed and Ördög claim I do.

I have never ever said anything about how you vote

>>> When I vote if their is some sort of Christianin poll, that's who I    
>>> vote for,

Wota terminal fuckwit

>>> realistically though with Preference system they are a
>>> funnel for the pretend LP.

More of your mindless bullshit

>> Sad.

> I like first past the winning post as in it gives a better more honest
> Government not one rum by lobbyists

More of your mindless bullshit

> "Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

More of your mindless bullshit

> Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
> paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
> That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

More of your mindless bullshit

>>> Every Western countries are finding all you are ending up with a Party
>>> system are well spoken greedy, lying grabbing corrupt career
>>> politician whose only purpose is to keep their snout and trotters in
>>> the golden trough

>> Fact.

Bullshit

> Afraid so, grifters all and only allow other griffters in politics to
> protect each other!

Ming and Whitless were never that

Neither were Chifley and Curtin

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#102551

Guys, guys, guys.
I've left a box of knives over there with an old cell.
The knives are old but reliable. 
All thru tang so I hope yall yall can handle not being able to 
break off the handle.
The phone is if you cant stop any bleeding and need pro help.

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#102523

multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote
> Petzl wrote

>> I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
>> damn who’s in it as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor,
>> Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
>> shame or principle

>>  All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
>> same time

> Sound rejections all.

> So how about your version of the LP?

> Yes, Australia has an official Libertarian Party.
> The Libertarian Party (LP) operates as a registered political party at  
> both the federal level and across several states, including New South  
> Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, and Western Australia.
> The party has evolved through a few notable name changes and strategic  
> shifts:

> Origins and Rebranding

> • The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP): Founded in Canberra in 2001, the  
> party operated for more than two decades under the name "Liberal  
> Democratic Party". Because the name closely resembled Australia's main  
> conservative party (the Liberal Party), it occasionally led to voter  
> confusion—and even structural electoral benefits due to donkey voting.

So those clowns couldn't even manage to get a viable party name

> • The Name Change: Following federal changes to party naming laws and a  
> desire for clearer branding, the party officially rebranded and  
> registered as the Libertarian Party.

> Core Ideology and Platforms

> The party promotes a mixture of right-libertarianism, classical  
> liberalism, and elements of Australian conservatism. Its platform  
> includes:

> • Small Government: Advocating for drastically lower taxes, cutting  
> government spending, and decentralizing federal power.
> • Individual Liberty: Opposing government regulations on free speech,  
> smoking laws, and civil liberty restrictions.
> • Armed Self-Defense: Pushing for the legalization of pepper spray and  
> introducing US-style "castle doctrine" laws for homeowners.
> • Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy: Believing Australia should reject  
> globalist organizations like the UN and WEF, aiming instead to be an  
> independent, neutral "Switzerland of the South Pacific".
> • Border Controls: Unlike some traditional open-border Western  
> libertarians, the Australian party supports merit-based immigration  
> restrictions, arguing that unowned public infrastructure is paid for by  
> domestic taxpayers and must be protected.

> Political Presence and Representation

> While Australia's preferential voting system favors the two major  
> parties (Labor and the Coalition) in the lower house, the Libertarian  
> Party has found success utilizing the proportional representation system  
> of upper houses:

And has done fuck all with that

> • State Parliaments: The party holds seats in state upper houses,  
> including MPs like John Ruddick in the New South Wales Legislative  
> Council and David Limbrick in the Victorian Legislative Council.
> • Federal History: The party reached its federal peak when David  
> Leyonhjelm was elected to the Australian Senate representing New South  
> Wales in 2013 and 2016.

And then got flushed where hi belong

> • Local Representation: The party has picked up a foothold in local  
> government, successfully electing several local councilors across  
> Victoria and New South Wales.

So much for their claim about small govt

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#102517

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a>
>>>      https://tinyurl.com/2wsahp9h
>>> TikTok linked to controversial mosque posted video of multiple ballots
>>> backing Labor MP

>> Not ballot papers, HOW TO VOTES

>>> A TikTok account linked to a mosque – which was handed a $670,000
>>> taxpayer-funded grant by Labor MP Julian Hill before last year’s
>>> federal election – posted a video from within a voting centre of
>>> multiple ballot papers backing Mr Hill a week before polling day.

>> So can't be ballot papers, JUST how to votes

>>> sample/image copied from paper
>>> https://ibb.co/LXDRnVpR

>> Those are HOW TO VOTES

> You still feeding  on BS

You are the one feeding on murdoch shit rag bullshit and lies

> https://share.google/aimode/39pCTtSJFS230fmma
> No, these are official, legal ballot papers

Have fun explaining how they can be official,
legal ballot papers a week before polling day
available for a journo to take a photo of

> rather than political   "How-to-Vote" cards.
> You can confidently identify these as real Australian Electoral
> Commission (AEC) ballot papers due to several explicit design features
> visible in the image:

If that is accurate, most likely they were photographed
by someone when the ballots were counted by someone
involved in the counting or the scrutineering AFTER the
polling stations had closed

And its a lie that the handwriting is identical given that
all there is on them is NUMBERS and even if the numbering
was done by one individual, all that proves is that someone
filled out those ballots for individuals who could not read
english, maybe with postal ballots

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#102519

On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 08:11:56 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

-- 
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
     https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh  
Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious 
argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

Rod Speed a annoying  Australian can type faster than you can talk
Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
"The Rod Speed Bot"
https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed
 
ROD SPEED A SELF APPOINTED EGOTISTICAL KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING    
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