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  OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 06:38 +0000
    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 03:50 -0700
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 11:18 +0000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:54 -0700
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 16:54 +0000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:00 +1000
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 07:58 -0700
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:55 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:03 -0700
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-08 17:26 +0200
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 17:29 +0200
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:49 +1000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-06 18:36 +0000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:29 +0100
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-09 15:36 +0100
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:22 +0000
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 12:53 +0100
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 15:08 +0200
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:55 -0700
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:19 +0200
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 11:54 -0700
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 20:08 +0100
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 21:12 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 13:06 -0700
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:15 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 16:09 -0400
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 22:31 +0200
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 18:50 -0400
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-07 10:01 -0400
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 18:06 +1000
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-08 21:15 +0000
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 23:58 +0200
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 20:37 +0000
                              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-12 10:33 +0200
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:21 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 23:33 +0200
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 22:53 +0100
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:03 +0100
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 18:59 +0100
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0000
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 18:04 +0100
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:06 -0700
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:21 +0100
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:56 -0700
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:38 +1000
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:01 -0700
                              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:21 +1000
                                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 09:43 -0700
                                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:44 +1000
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.duckdns.org> - 2026-09-14 10:27 +0000
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:26 +1000
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 10:23 +0200
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:37 +0100
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 11:15 +0200
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:03 -0700
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:30 +1000
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-07 07:19 +0000
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:09 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:07 -0700
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:51 +1000
                  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-09 19:47 +0000
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 13:08 -0700
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:24 +0000
                      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 16:37 +1000
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-12 09:55 +0200
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:18 -0700
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:37 +1000
                            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:07 -0700
                              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 03:46 +1000
                        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:07 -0700
                          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 04:00 +1000
                    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-10 02:50 +0200
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:24 +0200
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-06 17:48 -0300
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:35 +0000
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 20:46 +0200
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 19:46 +0000

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#747343

On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:03:37 +0100, JM
<sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWw_FCb7ac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVjrtgpJti4

Third time lucky.  This is what I wanted to link too.  I wish CM would
sort out his blog, as it's near impossible to find what you want.

To give some background to CM be resigned his post as ambassador to
Uzbekistan when he failed to persuade his UK Foreign Office superiors
to object to the CIA extraordinary rendition program running there,
which entailed the CIA transporting people to the country in order to
have them tortured and murdered - including using such barbaric
methods as boiling them alive.  Upon resigning CM became a
whistleblower and suffered the consequeces of that action.
Consequently, his allegations have been proven to be accurate in all
respects.

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#747551

JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@GMail.com> wrote:
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|"[. . .]                                                             |
|[. . .] I wish CM would                                              |
|sort out his blog, as it's near impossible to find what you want."   |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------|

Did you consider downloading that entire thing and grepping through
such a backup? I did so with websites without good search engines.

Politicians do not make the best websites (this is not a criticism of
the contents of websites made by politicans).

|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"To give some background to CM be resigned his post as ambassador to |
|Uzbekistan when he failed to persuade his UK Foreign Office superiors|
|to object to the CIA extraordinary rendition program running there,  |
|which entailed the CIA transporting people to the country in order to|
|have them tortured and murdered - including using such barbaric      |
|methods as boiling them alive.  Upon resigning CM became a           |
|whistleblower and suffered the consequeces of that action.           |
|Consequently, his allegations have been proven to be accurate in all |
|respects."                                                           |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------|

I did not download those webpages concerning which I put ellipses, so
I do not know who CM is above. CM above seems to be Whistleblowing
Politician Craig John Murray whom I emailed on 5th February 2023.

A lawyer in a law firm which represents him is a distant relative of
friends of mine.

"Our Man in Uzbekistan" in "Index on Censorship" is about
Whistleblowing Politician Craig John Murray.

HTTPS://WWW.CraigMurray.org.UK/archives/2023/02/propaganda-and-belief
about New Zealand surprised me.

(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

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#747741

On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:37:30 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir
<thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

>JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@GMail.com> wrote:
>|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>|"[. . .]                                                             |
>|[. . .] I wish CM would                                              |
>|sort out his blog, as it's near impossible to find what you want."   |
>|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>Did you consider downloading that entire thing and grepping through
>such a backup? I did so with websites without good search engines.
>
>Politicians do not make the best websites (this is not a criticism of
>the contents of websites made by politicans).
>
>|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>|"To give some background to CM be resigned his post as ambassador to |
>|Uzbekistan when he failed to persuade his UK Foreign Office superiors|
>|to object to the CIA extraordinary rendition program running there,  |
>|which entailed the CIA transporting people to the country in order to|
>|have them tortured and murdered - including using such barbaric      |
>|methods as boiling them alive.  Upon resigning CM became a           |
>|whistleblower and suffered the consequeces of that action.           |
>|Consequently, his allegations have been proven to be accurate in all |
>|respects."                                                           |
>|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>I did not download those webpages concerning which I put ellipses, so
>I do not know who CM is above. CM above seems to be Whistleblowing
>Politician Craig John Murray whom I emailed on 5th February 2023.

Yes, Craig Murray.  His book "Murder in Samarkand" details his time in
Uzbekistan.

>
>A lawyer in a law firm which represents him is a distant relative of
>friends of mine.
>
>"Our Man in Uzbekistan" in "Index on Censorship" is about
>Whistleblowing Politician Craig John Murray.
>
>HTTPS://WWW.CraigMurray.org.UK/archives/2023/02/propaganda-and-belief
>about New Zealand surprised me.
>
>(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

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#747301

On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
<sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>wrote:
>
>>kinda oversized?
>
>"Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>
>So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>
>Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon 
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs

The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747302

On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

>The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.

It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.

USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries

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#747304

On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
<sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>
>It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>
>USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries

We should pull out an let them have at it.

And maybe sell them weapons?


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747311

On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>
>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>
>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
> 
> We should pull out an let them have at it.
> 
> And maybe sell them weapons?

There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. The US 
military-industrial complex is mad-keen on getting the American 
government to encourage it's allies to spend more on defense, on the 
basis that a lot of that money will get spent with the American defense 
industry.

Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal 


argues that the industry has an interest in  promoting over-complicated 
weapons systems that they can sell for higher prices.

The Ukraine's and Iran's cheap drones have put a crimp in that but the 
weapons industry is busy elaborating them in ways that will improve 
their cash-flows.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747325

On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:38:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>>
>>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>>
>>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
>> 
>> We should pull out an let them have at it.
>> 
>> And maybe sell them weapons?
>
>There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. The US 
>military-industrial complex is mad-keen on getting the American 
>government to encourage it's allies to spend more on defense, on the 
>basis that a lot of that money will get spent with the American defense 
>industry.
>
>Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981
>
>https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal 
>
>
>argues that the industry has an interest in  promoting over-complicated 
>weapons systems that they can sell for higher prices.
>
>The Ukraine's and Iran's cheap drones have put a crimp in that but the 
>weapons industry is busy elaborating them in ways that will improve 
>their cash-flows.

Bows and arows are cheap. And people have a choice.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747333

On 8/09/2026 1:01 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:38:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
>>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>>>
>>>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>>>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>>>
>>>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>>>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>>>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
>>>
>>> We should pull out an let them have at it.
>>>
>>> And maybe sell them weapons?
>>
>> There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. The US
>> military-industrial complex is mad-keen on getting the American
>> government to encourage it's allies to spend more on defense, on the
>> basis that a lot of that money will get spent with the American defense
>> industry.
>>
>> Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981
>>
>> https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal
>>
>>
>> argues that the industry has an interest in  promoting over-complicated
>> weapons systems that they can sell for higher prices.
>>
>> The Ukraine's and Iran's cheap drones have put a crimp in that but the
>> weapons industry is busy elaborating them in ways that will improve
>> their cash-flows.
> 
> Bows and arows are cheap. And people have a choice.

Bows and arrows are cheap, but not all that effective.

The people who chose them don't last long in combat situations.

In classical Greek armies, the armored infantry-men were the citizens 
who were rich enough to afford bronze armor. If you were less well off 
you carried a bow into combat, and had to run away if somebody with good 
armor and a sword or spear came after you. Tactics was all about using 
you heavy infantry to protect your archer and slingers - and later on - 
your catapults.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747338

On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 02:21:35 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 8/09/2026 1:01 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:38:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
>>>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>>>>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>>>>
>>>>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>>>>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>>>>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
>>>>
>>>> We should pull out an let them have at it.
>>>>
>>>> And maybe sell them weapons?
>>>
>>> There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. The US
>>> military-industrial complex is mad-keen on getting the American
>>> government to encourage it's allies to spend more on defense, on the
>>> basis that a lot of that money will get spent with the American defense
>>> industry.
>>>
>>> Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981
>>>
>>> https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal
>>>
>>>
>>> argues that the industry has an interest in  promoting over-complicated
>>> weapons systems that they can sell for higher prices.
>>>
>>> The Ukraine's and Iran's cheap drones have put a crimp in that but the
>>> weapons industry is busy elaborating them in ways that will improve
>>> their cash-flows.
>> 
>> Bows and arows are cheap. And people have a choice.
>
>Bows and arrows are cheap, but not all that effective.
>
>The people who chose them don't last long in combat situations.
>
>In classical Greek armies, the armored infantry-men were the citizens 
>who were rich enough to afford bronze armor. If you were less well off 
>you carried a bow into combat, and had to run away if somebody with good 
>armor and a sword or spear came after you. Tactics was all about using 
>you heavy infantry to protect your archer and slingers - and later on - 
>your catapults.

What's interesting to me is that so many countries want to buy F35's.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747374

On 8/09/2026 2:43 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 02:21:35 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/09/2026 1:01 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:38:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
>>>>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>>>>>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>>>>>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>>>>>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
>>>>>
>>>>> We should pull out an let them have at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And maybe sell them weapons?
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. The US
>>>> military-industrial complex is mad-keen on getting the American
>>>> government to encourage it's allies to spend more on defense, on the
>>>> basis that a lot of that money will get spent with the American defense
>>>> industry.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981
>>>>
>>>> https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> argues that the industry has an interest in  promoting over-complicated
>>>> weapons systems that they can sell for higher prices.
>>>>
>>>> The Ukraine's and Iran's cheap drones have put a crimp in that but the
>>>> weapons industry is busy elaborating them in ways that will improve
>>>> their cash-flows.
>>>
>>> Bows and arows are cheap. And people have a choice.
>>
>> Bows and arrows are cheap, but not all that effective.
>>
>> The people who chose them don't last long in combat situations.
>>
>> In classical Greek armies, the armored infantry-men were the citizens
>> who were rich enough to afford bronze armor. If you were less well off
>> you carried a bow into combat, and had to run away if somebody with good
>> armor and a sword or spear came after you. Tactics was all about using
>> you heavy infantry to protect your archer and slingers - and later on -
>> your catapults.
> 
> What's interesting to me is that so many countries want to buy F35's.

And who bribes the buyers to get them to prefer F-35's? Non-American 
politicians are well aware that buying US weapons makes America 
politicians happy. Larger contributions to the election expenses of the 
US politicians from the US weapons manufacturers does seem to come into 
that.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747716

On 2026-09-07, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 7/09/2026 8:56 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:21:04 +0100, JM
>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 15:06:11 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>>
>>> It's certainly printing money to do something overseas, whether that
>>> something is anything to do with defending europe is questionable.
>>>
>>> USA: 861 Military Bases in 95 Countries
>>> Russia: 35 Military Bases in 11 Countries
>>> China: 6 Military Bases in 6 Countries
>> 
>> We should pull out an let them have at it.
>> 
>> And maybe sell them weapons?
>
> There's nothing maybe about selling them weapons. 

There is when USA does it.  They diverted Swiss F35 purchace money to
patriot missiles.  The president threatened Canada with an F35 kill switch.

It seems to me that a contract with USA gets you a solid maybe.

-- 
 Jasen.
 🇺🇦 Слава Україні

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#747310

On 7/09/2026 8:06 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> kinda oversized?
>>
>> "Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>> across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>> Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>> beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>>
>> So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>>
>> Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
> 
> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.

America's short history does include a few wars, and Trump started one 
with Iran.

Isolationist American's don't like foreign wars in principle, but have 
fought quite a few of them anyway. They do seem to be an unprincipled bunch.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747317

Am 07.09.26 um 08:26 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> On 7/09/2026 8:06 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> kinda oversized?
>>>
>>> "Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>>> across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>>> Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>>> beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>>>
>>> So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>>>
>>> Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
>>
>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.

It is really the other way around. Germany pays 266 millions of the
entire 1830 millions for the so-called hospital and no German citizen
will ever be healed there. Contrarily, the ill-fated air show at
Ramstein saturated the local hospitals down to Ludwigshafen and beyond.

That's 26.9 million per bed. If you believe that, you probably have
strong beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, also.

> America's short history does include a few wars, and Trump started one 
> with Iran.

If you want to count to count the years *without US war*
since 'We The People', it is easier to to delegate the job to two
experienced workers of a saw mill. They still can count them on
their leftover fingers. Not much more than 12 needed.
The time from Columbus to 'We The People' was used to eradicate
the natives.

Gerhard

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#747318

On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 10:23:54 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:

>That's 26.9 million per bed. If you believe that, you probably have
>strong beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, also.

I supose they could be very large beds.  Real Bigly.

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#747319

Am 07.09.26 um 10:37 schrieb JM:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 10:23:54 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> That's 26.9 million per bed. If you believe that, you probably have
>> strong beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, also.
> 
> I supose they could be very large beds.  Real Bigly.

Nah, even bigger and with gold applications. Pretty and stable enough
for the fondling fathers and their teeny fans.

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#747326

On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 10:23:54 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:

>Am 07.09.26 um 08:26 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>> On 7/09/2026 8:06 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
>>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> kinda oversized?
>>>>
>>>> "Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>>>> across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>>>> Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>>>> beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>>>>
>>>> So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
>>>
>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>
>It is really the other way around. Germany pays 266 millions of the
>entire 1830 millions for the so-called hospital and no German citizen
>will ever be healed there. Contrarily, the ill-fated air show at
>Ramstein saturated the local hospitals down to Ludwigshafen and beyond.
>
>That's 26.9 million per bed. If you believe that, you probably have
>strong beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, also.
>
>> America's short history does include a few wars, and Trump started one 
>> with Iran.
>
>If you want to count to count the years *without US war*
>since 'We The People', it is easier to to delegate the job to two
>experienced workers of a saw mill. They still can count them on
>their leftover fingers. Not much more than 12 needed.
>The time from Columbus to 'We The People' was used to eradicate
>the natives.
>
>Gerhard

We should have sat out WWI and WW2 and the Cold War. 


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747336

On 8/09/2026 1:03 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 10:23:54 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> Am 07.09.26 um 08:26 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>> On 7/09/2026 8:06 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
>>>> <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> kinda oversized?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>>>>> across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>>>>> Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>>>>> beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>>>>>
>>>>> So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
>>>>
>>>> The US is wasting money defending Europe. Europe has been having wars
>>>> for thousands of years and probably will for thousands more.
>>
>> It is really the other way around. Germany pays 266 millions of the
>> entire 1830 millions for the so-called hospital and no German citizen
>> will ever be healed there. Contrarily, the ill-fated air show at
>> Ramstein saturated the local hospitals down to Ludwigshafen and beyond.
>>
>> That's 26.9 million per bed. If you believe that, you probably have
>> strong beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, also.
>>
>>> America's short history does include a few wars, and Trump started one
>>> with Iran.
>>
>> If you want to count to count the years *without US war*
>> since 'We The People', it is easier to to delegate the job to two
>> experienced workers of a saw mill. They still can count them on
>> their leftover fingers. Not much more than 12 needed.
>> The time from Columbus to 'We The People' was used to eradicate
>> the natives.
>>
>> Gerhard
> 
> We should have sat out WWI and WW2 and the Cold War.

Happily, you weren't around to make the choice for WW1 and WW2, and you 
weren't actually of voting age when the US decided to set up the Iron 
curtain.

You seem happy enough with Trump so you probably wouldn't have minded 
the sort of regime you would have ended up with if your isolationists 
had been more persuasive.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747315

>john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:08 +0100, JM
><sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:33:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>kinda oversized?
>>
>>"Upon completion, the hospital will employ up to 2,500 staff members
>>across 67 departments on a gross floor area of 190,000 square meters.
>>Of the hospital's more than 4,860 rooms, 120 treatment rooms and 68
>>beds, expandable to 93 if needed, will be available to patients"
>>
>>So - 68 beds in a 47 hectare site (1 bed per 700m^2).
>>
>>Reminds me of the US "embassy" in Lebanon 
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWAcjEGbIs
>
>The US is wasting money defending Europe.

US has been making wars using the CIA to create unrest in Europe ever since WW2
if not earlier.
And I know, they asked me to participate and I refused.
All to sell their inferior in many cases (F35 comes to mind), weapons and get
control,

There is more to it, but I will keep it simple to make it easier for you.

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#747307

On 7/09/2026 4:54 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:19:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/6/26 16:55, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 15:08:37 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 06.09.26 um 12:50 schrieb john larkin:
>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 06:38:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/isar-aerospace-second-launch-norway-andoya-spaceport-spectrum-rocket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil
>>>>>> News
>>>>>> By Mike Wall
>>>>>> Last updated 10 hours ago
>>>>>> "This is right now making history — making history for Spectrum,
>>>>>> making history for Isar, making history for Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's truly historic, only 70 years behind the Russians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course NASA helped a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's it for?
>>>>
>>>> What is that NASA thing? Do they still build stuff or do they
>>>> channel only $$$ to DT's friends nowadays?
>>>
>>> So many people have lost their tiny minds over Trump. He's a great
>>> President for that alone.
>>>
>>
>> He's unmatched at causing mayhem and bankrupting your country, that's
>> for sure. He'll be remembered as the most inept US president in
>> history.
> 
> In a thread in sci.electronics.design, about a satellite launch, most
> people would rather talk about Trump.
> 
> They must dream about him all night.

My nightmares are Trump-free. The pleasant dreams don't include him either.

Trump does seem be to working hard to disrupt our lives, mostly by inept 
interventions in the world economy. It is an attention-getting activity.
It's a bit surprising that you don't seem to be aware of its downsides, 
but Trump's professed aim seems to be to help the US economy (not that 
there's any credible evidence that he has).

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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