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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: ot drilling glass |
| Date | 2017-03-23 20:48 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <ob1q7a$c0m$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 3/23/2017 5:06 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > Den torsdag den 23. marts 2017 kl. 20.28.39 UTC+1 skrev rickman: >> On 3/23/2017 3:10 PM, John Robertson wrote: >>> On 2017/03/23 10:15 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:14:09 -0700, John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:46:12 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:24:51 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:12:23 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:56:20 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:37:34 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:18:44 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have some double-pane windows that are getting moisture trapped >>>>>>>>>>> inside. I've found that drilling a little vent hole fixes that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the seal is broken (moisture between the panes), the windows >>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>> to be replaced. They can't be fixed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Drilling a vent hole seems to work fine. It lets the moisture out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And back in. You'll always have a condensation problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except that I haven't. >>>>>> >>>>>> yet. >>>>> >>>>> Some of the ones here, I drilled two and three years ago. The >>>>> condensation went away in a few days. Seem fine winter and summer. >>>>> Well, one tiny spider got inside one, from the outside. >>>>> >>>>> Seems to me like a vented 2-pane window is less prone to condensation >>>>> than a single-pane. Less heat conduction to drive condensation. >>>> >>>> If the moisture got in there because of a failed seal, you've just >>>> added to the "failure". Under the right (wrong) conditions, it *will* >>>> fog again. >>>> >>> >>> I agree, however if one is looking for a temporary (perhaps a couple of >>> years?) solution then this may get one by. >>> >>> Certainly a double glazed window with moisture trapped inside will have >>> a terrible R number! >> >> Not sure what "terrible" is, but it will still be *much* better than >> single pane glass. There is still the largely immobile vapor barrier. >> Windows pretty well suck as thermal insulation anyway, no matter how >> good they are. Pay someone $500 to take thermal images of your house >> and you will see the lion's share of heat loss is through the windows. >> That's why I shudder at houses with walls of glass. >> >> An uncle was in the heating and cooling business. He pointed out how >> impractical it was to pay lots of money for good insulation in walls and >> ceilings only to cut big holes in them to let the heat out! >> > > I'd expect that to be much bigger issue for cooling than heating > modern windows are less than 1W/m2K. even when it is really cold > that doesn't add up to much compared to ~1kW per square meter > sun mid day in the summer I'm not sure how the two numbers are related. The issue is 1 W/m^2 vs X W/m^2 for insulated walls! Comparing the numbers you do makes an assumption that the sun is shining in the window and being converted to heat. There are many simple ways to improve that issue including having trees outside or white lined drapes inside. Regardless of how cooling effects are mitigated or not, I think it is still a very significant issue for heating. -- Rick C
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ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 10:18 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2017-03-22 10:32 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 11:23 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:28 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:35 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:15 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:31 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:44 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 16:22 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:37 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 22:25 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 20:06 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:06 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 13:13 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 19:56 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 20:24 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:07 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 22:54 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-23 04:50 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 13:24 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 17:11 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-22 16:17 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 15:36 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass gregz <zekor@comcast.net> - 2017-03-24 07:55 +0000
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:50 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:26 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:49 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:41 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-22 19:45 -0800
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 13:37 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 10:56 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 11:29 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:23 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 13:34 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 14:23 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:50 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 10:45 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-25 18:22 +1100
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-25 08:53 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 13:05 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 16:18 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:40 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:07 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 20:09 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 17:43 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 20:50 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 16:17 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-25 20:12 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 04:39 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-26 05:17 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 06:03 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-26 09:15 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 10:54 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-26 18:43 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-27 19:21 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-28 09:30 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-27 08:11 +1100
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 06:45 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:08 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 08:48 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:08 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-26 16:16 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-26 22:10 +0300
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 06:58 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 07:18 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 08:41 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:13 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-28 16:52 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 19:52 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-28 20:35 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 04:44 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:10 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 09:37 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 10:58 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-26 16:18 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 17:42 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:12 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 17:24 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:46 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:14 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 22:58 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 13:15 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-23 12:10 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 15:28 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-23 14:06 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 20:48 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-23 18:05 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:31 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 15:25 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-23 17:37 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:44 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Kevin Glover <kevinfglover@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-22 11:22 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 11:44 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:07 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-22 12:19 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:51 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-22 13:58 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 17:05 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 16:26 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 18:00 -0400
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:30 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:29 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:16 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-22 21:36 +0200
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:54 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:39 -0500
Re: ot drilling glass alan.yeager.2013@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 18:07 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:20 -0700
Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 09:04 -0700
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