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Re: ot drilling glass

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: ot drilling glass
Date	2017-03-23 15:28 -0400
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On 3/23/2017 3:10 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2017/03/23 10:15 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:14:09 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:46:12 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:24:51 -0700, John Larkin
>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:12:23 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:56:20 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:37:34 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:18:44 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have some double-pane windows that are getting moisture trapped
>>>>>>>>> inside. I've found that drilling a little vent hole fixes that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the seal is broken (moisture between the panes), the windows
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to be replaced.  They can't be fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drilling a vent hole seems to work fine. It lets the moisture out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And back in.  You'll always have a condensation problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that I haven't.
>>>>
>>>> yet.
>>>
>>> Some of the ones here, I drilled two and three years ago. The
>>> condensation went away in a few days. Seem fine winter and summer.
>>> Well, one tiny spider got inside one, from the outside.
>>>
>>> Seems to me like a vented 2-pane window is less prone to condensation
>>> than a single-pane. Less heat conduction to drive condensation.
>>
>> If the moisture got in there because of a failed seal, you've just
>> added to the "failure".  Under the right (wrong) conditions, it *will*
>> fog again.
>>
>
> I agree, however if one is looking for a temporary (perhaps a couple of
> years?) solution then this may get one by.
>
> Certainly a double glazed window with moisture trapped inside will have
> a terrible R number!

Not sure what "terrible" is, but it will still be *much* better than 
single pane glass.  There is still the largely immobile vapor barrier. 
Windows pretty well suck as thermal insulation anyway, no matter how 
good they are.  Pay someone $500 to take thermal images of your house 
and you will see the lion's share of heat loss is through the windows. 
That's why I shudder at houses with walls of glass.

An uncle was in the heating and cooling business.  He pointed out how 
impractical it was to pay lots of money for good insulation in walls and 
ceilings only to cut big holes in them to let the heat out!

-- 

Rick C

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ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 10:18 -0700
  Re: ot drilling glass Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2017-03-22 10:32 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 11:23 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:28 -0500
        Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:35 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:15 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:31 -0500
        Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:44 -0700
          Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 16:22 -0500
        Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:37 -0700
          Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 22:25 -0400
            Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 20:06 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:06 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 13:13 -0400
          Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 19:56 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 20:24 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:07 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 22:54 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-23 04:50 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 13:24 -0700
        Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 17:11 -0400
        Re: ot drilling glass amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-22 16:17 -0500
      Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 15:36 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass gregz <zekor@comcast.net> - 2017-03-24 07:55 +0000
        Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:50 -0400
    Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:26 -0500
      Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:49 -0700
        Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:41 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-22 19:45 -0800
  Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 13:37 -0400
    Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 10:56 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-22 11:29 -0700
        Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:23 -0700
          Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 13:34 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 14:23 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:50 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 10:45 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-25 18:22 +1100
                Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-25 08:53 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 13:05 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 16:18 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:40 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:07 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 20:09 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 17:43 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 20:50 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 16:17 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-25 20:12 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 04:39 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-26 05:17 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 06:03 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-26 09:15 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 10:54 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-26 18:43 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-27 19:21 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-28 09:30 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-27 08:11 +1100
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 06:45 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:08 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 08:48 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:08 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-26 16:16 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-26 22:10 +0300
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 06:58 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 07:18 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 08:41 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:13 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-28 16:52 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-28 19:52 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-28 20:35 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 04:44 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 08:10 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 09:37 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 10:58 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-26 16:18 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 17:42 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:12 -0400
        Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 17:24 -0700
          Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:46 -0400
            Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:14 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 22:58 -0700
              Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 13:15 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-23 12:10 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 15:28 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-23 14:06 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 20:48 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-23 18:05 -0700
                Re: ot drilling glass krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:31 -0400
              Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 15:25 -0400
                Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-23 17:37 -0700
  Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:44 -0400
  Re: ot drilling glass Kevin Glover <kevinfglover@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-22 11:22 -0700
  Re: ot drilling glass John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-22 11:44 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:07 -0400
      Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-22 12:19 -0700
        Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:51 -0400
          Re: ot drilling glass Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-22 13:58 -0700
            Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 17:05 -0400
              Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 16:26 -0500
                Re: ot drilling glass rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 18:00 -0400
    Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:30 -0700
      Re: ot drilling glass George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-22 18:29 -0700
        Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 21:16 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-22 21:36 +0200
      Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-22 12:54 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-22 14:39 -0500
  Re: ot drilling glass alan.yeager.2013@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 18:07 -0700
  Re: ot drilling glass tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:20 -0700
    Re: ot drilling glass John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 09:04 -0700

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