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Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA?

From John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA?
Date 2016-11-12 20:10 -0600
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On 11/12/2016 7:56 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:48:13 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/2016 3:20 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
>>> In article <o07naa$33e$2@dont-email.me>, Sophi.2@invalid.org says...
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2016 11:03 AM, M Philbrook wrote:
>>>>> In article <xn60nt2y7f.fsf@delorie.com>, dj@delorie.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>> 2 phase? Please educate me on this. I know that single phase and 3 phase
>>>>>>>>> are common, but I have never encountered 2 phase.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  two leads 90 degree shift..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How often have you encountered a mains supply with 90 degree phase
>>>>>>> shift, smart ass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nikolas Tesla invented it long ago.  Just because it isn't used for
>>>>>> mains *now* doesn't mean he can't know what it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, it's what stepper motors use, and we encounter those every day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, he didn't mention "mains" in that follow-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, replying to pedantry with jackassery is lame.
>>>>>> (whereas the opposite is just plain fun ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>  actually there is an old place near me that uses 2 phase power./
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does the old place generate its own power? The power company does not
>>>> provide two phase power.
>>>
>>>  Yes, they have both a water generation plant and scott connection
>>> transformers from commercial 3 phase to fill in when they need it.
>>>
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>
>> So it is not 2 phase, it is 3 phase with a lame connection.
>
> No, he said 2-phase.  The Scott-T is used to transform three-phase, as
> supplied by the power company, into the 2-phase this old installation
> requires.
>>
>> Please explain how it is used without the fill-in. Two phase motors?
>> Note that three phase is completely different from two phase. The phases
>> are 120 degrees apart in 3 phase (with a common reference which requires
>> 3 wires) whereas 2 phase is 90 degrees apart (also requiring 3 wires),
>> even according to you. Why would they use a Scott-T when 3 phase is
>> already available. Pretty stupid -- just like you.
>
> Because "he" needs two-phase and only three-phase is available from
> the power company, thus the Scott-T.  He is pretty clear, here.

What is the advantage of two phase power?

>> If you don't believe me, set up a simple LTSpice schematic and run it.
>> It will teach you things you obviously do not know.
>
> You should do some research.

I worked with single/three phase power mains for 17 years. I suggest you 
do some research as well. After that we can compare notes.

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Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-11-08 09:41 +0000
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? jrwalliker@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 06:10 -0800
    Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-08 06:29 -0800
      Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2016-11-08 11:55 -0500
        Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2016-11-08 11:56 -0500
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2016-11-08 11:58 -0500
    Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-08 11:05 -0600
      Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-08 12:48 -0500
      Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 10:46 -0800
      Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-08 17:22 -0500
        Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-11 20:22 -0600
        Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-11 20:26 -0600
          Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2016-11-11 22:07 -0500
            Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-12 12:03 -0500
              Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 12:34 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-12 16:20 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? pedro <me@privacy.net> - 2016-11-13 09:32 +0800
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 19:52 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 05:11 +0000
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-13 13:07 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-13 16:44 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:13 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 19:48 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 20:56 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 20:10 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 04:57 +0000
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                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:14 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-11-14 21:19 +0200
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-14 19:54 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-11-15 09:55 +0200
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void> - 2016-11-15 17:55 +0000
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-14 17:39 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-14 19:55 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-14 17:46 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-14 19:56 -0500
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-15 17:00 -0600
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-15 19:20 -0500
              Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-11-12 20:53 +0200
              Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 10:50 -0800
                Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 10:58 -0800
            Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 12:31 -0600
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-08 12:46 -0500
    Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 10:40 -0800
      Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-08 19:13 -0500
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 10:50 -0800
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-11-09 14:06 +0000
  Re: Single or double pole mains switch in USA? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-12 07:05 +0000

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