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  Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. – Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. austin obyrne <ao402468@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 03:45 -0700
    Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. – Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-09-26 12:12 +0100
    Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. – Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. MM <mrvmurray@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 06:19 -0700
    Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-26 17:07 +0000
    Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. – Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 20:55 -0700
      Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-27 04:01 +0000
        Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 22:43 -0700
          Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:24 +0000
          Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Bob Duncan <bob7duncan@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 13:49 -0400
        Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-09-27 07:36 +0100

#50142 — Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. – Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

I quote:
Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.
unquote

I rather like this observation from another person whether 
spoken in jest or not.and I want to show how it applies to
my  ASLEC cryptography.

This cipher has at least four dependent keys as well as 
lots of general entanglement in the cipher programme.

NB:

The first key cannot be broken by search engine until 
all the other keys have been successfully broken first. 
Obviously, it is impossible to break the first key and so
 also the other three keys. It is obvious also that there is 
nothing to break as applied to the first key since there is
 nothing that could indicate a successful search by any 
search engine..

Any attempt at a brute force program is futile since one 
cannot set any prescribed condition to be fulfilled that 
would *terminate the search

I am not being facetious when I say the expression 
I quote is highly attributable to any  brute force attack 
that does not have a systematically  targetted ending.

Here it is again.

" Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.”.

I like it – spoken in jest or not it is patently true.

Comment:

Nothing short of a very good knowledge of vector  
methods in plane geometry will lead to an 
undedrstanding of this cryptography.

Austin O’Byrne

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#50143

On 26/09/2021 11:45, austin obyrne wrote:
> I quote:
> Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.
> unquote
> 
> I rather like this observation from another person whether
> spoken in jest or not.and I want to show how it applies to
> my  ASLEC cryptography.

It applies because as far as we know there is no ASLEC implementation 
and not even a comprehensible description.

> This cipher has at least four dependent keys as well as
> lots of general entanglement in the cipher programme.
> 
> NB:
> 
> The first key cannot be broken by search engine

Examples of search engines:

Google
DuckDuckGo
Bing
Yahoo
Excite

We normally use search engines to track down amusing cat videos, not to 
crack cryptosystems.

I realise Eves are tricksy people, but could you please explain how to 
use Google, say, to even *try* to "break" a key?

> Here it is again.
> 
> " Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.”.
> 
> I like it – spoken in jest or not it is patently true.

Aye, and ASLEC is nothing to break. No reference implementation, no 
description clear enough to be used to construct an implementation, no 
reference encryption or decryption examples, nothing.

> Comment:
> 
> Nothing short of a very good knowledge of vector
> methods in plane geometry will lead to an
> undedrstanding of this cryptography.

A clear description would be a bloody good start.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#50148

On Sunday, 26 September 2021 at 11:45:58 UTC+1, austin obyrne wrote:
> Any attempt at a brute force program is futile since one 
> cannot set any prescribed condition to be fulfilled that 
> would *terminate the search 

There are two such conditions:

1) (By far the most important) if the result of the division is (N, N, N)
with all three N's equal and smaller than 256, then this is a termination
condition.

2) (easy for you to fix) if N is in the printable ascii range, then this
adds certainty.

> I like it – spoken in jest or not it is patently true. 

Amusing as you don't "get" that it implies that do don't have
anything to brag about.

> Nothing short of a very good knowledge of vector 
> methods in plane geometry will lead to an 
> undedrstanding of this cryptography. 

You may assume that your audience has this knowledge. If you
are wise (you aren't) you will assume that they know more than you.

M
-- 

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#50161 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

austin obyrne <ao402468@gmail.com> wrote:
> I quote:
> Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.
> unquote
> 
> I rather like this observation from another person whether 
> spoken in jest or not.

It was in jest.

It was the observation that you have presented nothing to the group.  
Which implies you have no cipher to present.  Therefore there is 
nothing to even attempt to break, because nothing exists.

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#50178

On 9/26/2021 3:45 AM, austin obyrne wrote:
> I quote:
> Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.
> unquote
> 
> I rather like this observation from another person whether
> spoken in jest or not.and I want to show how it applies to
> my  ASLEC cryptography.
> 
> This cipher has at least four dependent keys as well as
> lots of general entanglement in the cipher programme.
> 
> NB:
> 
> The first key cannot be broken by search engine until
> all the other keys have been successfully broken first.
> Obviously, it is impossible to break the first key and so
>   also the other three keys. It is obvious also that there is
> nothing to break as applied to the first key since there is
>   nothing that could indicate a successful search by any
> search engine..
> 
> Any attempt at a brute force program is futile since one
> cannot set any prescribed condition to be fulfilled that
> would *terminate the search
> 
> I am not being facetious when I say the expression
> I quote is highly attributable to any  brute force attack
> that does not have a systematically  targetted ending.
> 
> Here it is again.
> 
> " Any cipher is unbreakable if there is nothing to break.”.
> 
> I like it – spoken in jest or not it is patently true.
> 
> Comment:
> 
> Nothing short of a very good knowledge of vector
> methods in plane geometry will lead to an
> undedrstanding of this cryptography.


http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=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


Also, you have a website! Nice. So, try to get your cipher up on your 
site. So, anybody can easily play with it?

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#50179 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, you have a website!  Nice.  So, try to get your cipher up on 
> your site.  So, anybody can easily play with it?

That won't happen.  Because if he put it up on the website so people 
could play with it, it would be broken within a day.

By keeping it vaporware he can avoid the embarrassment of yet another 
cipher broken in a day.

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#50180 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

On 9/26/2021 9:01 PM, Rich wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, you have a website!  Nice.  So, try to get your cipher up on
>> your site.  So, anybody can easily play with it?
> 
> That won't happen.  Because if he put it up on the website so people
> could play with it, it would be broken within a day.

Even if was broken within a half an hour, well, he could use this 
wonderful occurrence to learn exactly how they broke it. The code would 
be on the site for all to see. Then, he can start to learn some ways to 
make it stronger? Perhaps? I can see how he can get better and better by 
taking all of the breaks and details therein to make it harder and 
harder for the breakers to bust? Sound Kosher at all? A learning 
process. Who knows... After a nice learning process, his cipher might be 
getting better and better. Is this a damn pipe dream? Like a massive 
bong load, for all of the stoners out there? yikes!


> By keeping it vaporware he can avoid the embarrassment of yet another
> cipher broken in a day.

Is it truly vaporware? I mean, he does have ADA code right? Well, how 
many tools exist that can convert certain ADA code into, say JavaScript?

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.ada/c/8RupAuYYiiA

Is an ADA to JavaScript transpiler vaporware? Ohhh, shit. Damn..

I actually got emscripten to work from time to time.

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#50195 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/26/2021 9:01 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Also, you have a website!  Nice.  So, try to get your cipher up on
>>> your site.  So, anybody can easily play with it?
>> 
>> That won't happen.  Because if he put it up on the website so people
>> could play with it, it would be broken within a day.
> 
> Even if was broken within a half an hour, well, he could use this 
> wonderful occurrence to learn exactly how they broke it.

But, in order to do so, he would also have to admit that it was broken.

Notice how he steadfastly refuses to even admit that all of his prior 
schemes were also broken, some faster than others.  Once he could no 
longer carry on asserting an obviously incorrect "unbreakable" 
viewpoint, they were each dropped like a hot potato and he skulked away 
for a few months before returning with yet another "new thing" to which 
he could then again incorrectly claim "unbreakable".

Notice that for version X-1 (the one just prior to this one) that he 
did post challenges, and then, within but a few hours, posted the 
solution?  Why do you think this was?  It was so he could cut off the 
publication of a break by arguing that "he supplied the solution, so 
you don't really have a break" and maintain his bull-headed belief that 
his worthless algorithms are "unbreakable". 

> The code would be on the site for all to see.  Then, he can start to 
> learn some ways to make it stronger?

AOB is not hear for learning.  He is only her to pontificate about how 
great his worthless algorithms are in his own mind.

> Perhaps?  I can see how he can get better and better by taking all 
> of the breaks and details therein to make it harder and harder for 
> the breakers to bust?  Sound Kosher at all?  A learning process.

Yes, this would be the normal process for normal people.

But remember, this is the AOB we have posting here:

    From: adacrypt <austin.obyrne@hotmail.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada
    Subject: Re: Banging the Ada Drum.
    Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:30:43 -0800 (PST)
    Message-ID: <8893fdc4-ea96-4abc-bc01-cefdeec48e2e@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>

    [snip]

    There are millions of people out there who can write great Ada -
    nobody apart from me can write great cryptography.

>> By keeping it vaporware he can avoid the embarrassment of yet 
>> another cipher broken in a day.
> 
> Is it truly vaporware?

From our viewpoint we have only pontifications of a nut-case.  So yes, 
from our viewpoint it is truly vaporware right now.

> I mean, he does have ADA code right?

All we know at this time is he had ADA code for version X-1.  We've 
seen nothing but pontifications on this slightly new variant.  
Therefore, vaporware from our viewpoint until shown otherwise.

> Well, how many tools exist that can convert certain ADA code into, 
> say JavaScript?
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.ada/c/8RupAuYYiiA
> 
> Is an ADA to JavaScript transpiler vaporware? Ohhh, shit. Damn..

An ADA to JS transpiler is unrelated to the question of whether AOB has 
Ada code for this new variant.

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#50199 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

On 9/27/2021 1:43 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/26/2021 9:01 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Also, you have a website!  Nice.  So, try to get your cipher up 
>>> on your site.  So, anybody can easily play with it?
>> 
>> That won't happen.  Because if he put it up on the website so 
>> people could play with it, it would be broken within a day.
> 
> Even if was broken within a half an hour, well, he could use this 
> wonderful occurrence to learn exactly how they broke it.

He doesn't really care if it's broken or not.
All he cares about is being the center of attention, so that you respond
to his posts.

> The code would be on the site for all to see. Then, he can start to 
> learn some ways to make it stronger? Perhaps?

He obviously doesn't care about making his "code" stronger. If he did, he
would have by now. All he wants is for you to keep responding to his posts,
so that he is the center of attention.

Right now, with two people talking about him, without him doing anything,
he's got a mental hardon. I knew someone in high school who had a
Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He would come over to your house
claiming to help you with your homework, because he "knew everything".
But by the time he went home you had done all of his homework for him,
correcting all of his mistakes, and he had done absolutely nothing.

This guy Austin reminds me so much of that narcissist back in high school.


> I can see how he can get better and better by taking all of the 
> breaks and details therein to make it harder and harder for the 
> breakers to bust? Sound Kosher at all? A learning process. Who 
> knows... After a nice learning process, his cipher might be getting 
> better and better. Is this a damn pipe dream? Like a massive bong 
> load, for all of the stoners out there? yikes!
> 
> 
>> By keeping it vaporware he can avoid the embarrassment of yet 
>> another cipher broken in a day.
> 
> Is it truly vaporware? I mean, he does have ADA code right? Well,
> how many tools exist that can convert certain ADA code into, say 
> JavaScript?
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.ada/c/8RupAuYYiiA
> 
> Is an ADA to JavaScript transpiler vaporware? Ohhh, shit. Damn..
> 
> I actually got emscripten to work from time to time.

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#50182 — Re: Unbreakable Cryptoghraphy. ? Many is the True Word Spoken in Jest.

On 27/09/2021 05:01, Rich wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, you have a website!  Nice.  So, try to get your cipher up on
>> your site.  So, anybody can easily play with it?
> 
> That won't happen.  Because if he put it up on the website so people
> could play with it, it would be broken within a day.

Maybe not a day. People are busy. But Rich is broadly right - we know 
from experience such a cipher would be broken if he puts it on his site, 
because all the ciphers he has put on his site in the past have been 
quickly broken.

> By keeping it vaporware he can avoid the embarrassment of yet another
> cipher broken in a day.

No, I don't think so. I don't think he knows what embarrassment is.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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