Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon

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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:

Nothing.

The pre-Columbian Americas had a population estimated by scholars of
somewhere beteen 50 million and 100 million people.

The technology level of the more advanced civilizations was roughly
equivelant to the Bronze Age in Europe and iron pre-Columbian arifacts
have been found indicating they were on the leading edge of the Iron Age.

Thses peoples and civilizations existed for thousands of years before
any European arrived.

Therefore it is obvious that support from Europe is not needed to be able
to survive and thrive in the Americas.

Mars on the other hand requires 21st century technology to survive for
longer than about 5 seconds, i.e. the time of useful consciousness at
the pressure on the surface of Mars. The pressure is so low it is below
the Armstrong limit which means the human body requires a pressure suit,
not just an oxygen mask.

Comparing colonization on Mars to colonization of the Americas is mostly
pointless on that fact alone and becomes entirely so when the complete
lack of available drinking water and food sources is concidered.

21st century technology rquires global resources that are spread all over
the Earth, a global transportation system to bring those resources to
processing centers to make raw stock and transportation to fabricating
centers to make finished goods.

It is unlikely that resource distribution is any different on Mars than
it is on Earth, other than the complete lack of hydrocarbon sources such
as petroleum. coal, and natural gas.

Until such global transportation and manufacturing abilities exist on
Mars, the only way a Martian colony could expand, or even maintain
the technology, to eventually become self sustaining is to import parts
and finished goods from Earth. Note that we are talking about real
technology like computers, enviromental controllers, motors with rare
earth parts, etc., but even 20th century technology such as sheet
aluminimum, all the alloys of steel, and plastics will take a long
time.

If it is actually a colony with life time residents and kids, after not
too many years the population increases from Martian births and the
technology gets older and more prone to failure and the need for supplies
to maintain and expand infrastructure increases on the high end tech stuff.

Someone has to pay for the acquisition and transport of the parts and
goods to Mars.

There are two ways to pay that bill:

1. Gifts from Earth, i.e tax money.

2. Profit from Martian exports.

Given that maintaining even a small colony will cost billions of dollars,
and expanding it planet wide untold trillions of dollars, it is unlikely
to be payed for from gifts.

There is no resource on Mars that has enough profit in exporting it to
Earth to generate those untold trillions of dollars so exports are out
also.

If someone thinks otherwise, name that good.

The model for initial financing by charging the colonists for transport
would get things started but as the rate of colony population grows
and the number of people wanting to go to Mars decreases you quickly
find that that is a Ponzi scheme in the long run.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
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                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
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