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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-05-05 18:03 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 290 — 42 participants |
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Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 23:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-14 03:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:16 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 21:40 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 19:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-15 15:19 +1200
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:10 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-15 20:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:38 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 13:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 22:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 01:39 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:26 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:35 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 18:44 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:01 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:02 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:13 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:56 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:09 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-15 16:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:42 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:41 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:46 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-04-16 13:05 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:49 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:17 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:49 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 08:13 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:47 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:54 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 17:50 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:33 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-16 12:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:56 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 13:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:33 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 21:00 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 01:03 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:59 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 13:37 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 21:15 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:34 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:03 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:40 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:38 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-18 21:15 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:15 -0500
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Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:28 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:06 -0400
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 03:40 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:23 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:32 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:35 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:10 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:37 -0600
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-18 22:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fjpsplFqmluU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490545 |
"Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha" wrote > Didn't it turn up again a few days later? There was recent discussions of a book that vanished and reappeared with a different author's name. But anyone who bought it could still download it and people could still buy it with the new name. -- Mike D
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-18 16:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8C8A4FDDA5A3taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #490648 |
"Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:fjpsplFqmluU1@mid.individual.net:
>
> "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha" wrote
>
>> Didn't it turn up again a few days later?
>
> There was recent discussions of a book that vanished and
> reappeared with a different author's name.
I have doubts that Amazon initiated that.
>
> But anyone who bought it could still download it and people
> could still buy it with the new name.
>
Did it disappear out of their catalog, or off of people's devices
that had already downloaded it? Those are very different things.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-18 23:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjq3qjFs1nsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490654 |
In article <XnsA8C8A4FDDA5A3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >"Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> wrote in >news:fjpsplFqmluU1@mid.individual.net: > >> >> "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha" wrote >> >>> Didn't it turn up again a few days later? >> >> There was recent discussions of a book that vanished and >> reappeared with a different author's name. > >I have doubts that Amazon initiated that. >> >> But anyone who bought it could still download it and people >> could still buy it with the new name. >> >Did it disappear out of their catalog, or off of people's devices >that had already downloaded it? Those are very different things. > It disappeared from the catalog, and for a while I could not re-download it. Now I can re-download it though it is still gone from the catalog in it's original listing, having been replaced with an edition with a different author's name. Yet to be explained, but judging from Sutherland's blog hint, nothing nefarious. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-19 10:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8C96939CB4B5taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #490656 |
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:fjq3qjFs1nsU1@mid.individual.net:
> In article <XnsA8C8A4FDDA5A3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>>news:fjpsplFqmluU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha" wrote
>>>
>>>> Didn't it turn up again a few days later?
>>>
>>> There was recent discussions of a book that vanished and
>>> reappeared with a different author's name.
>>
>>I have doubts that Amazon initiated that.
>>>
>>> But anyone who bought it could still download it and people
>>> could still buy it with the new name.
>>>
>>Did it disappear out of their catalog, or off of people's
>>devices that had already downloaded it? Those are very different
>>things.
>>
>
> It disappeared from the catalog, and for a while I could not
> re-download it. Now I can re-download it though it is still gone
> from the catalog in it's original listing, having been replaced
> with an edition with a different author's name. Yet to be
> explained, but judging from Sutherland's blog hint, nothing
> nefarious.
Yeah, that's not Amazon doing something dirty, that's the author
doing something incomrehensible. For the picky, it might be a
reason to avoid said author, but it's not a reason to avoid
Amazon's ebooks.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 14:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pb5l1a$19jm$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #490544 |
On 2018-04-17 2:15 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote: > On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 02:07:08 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> On 2018-04-16 5:38 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, >>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>>>>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>>>>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >>>> and bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >>>>>> than in paper >>>>>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >>>>>> print. Despite >>>>>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back >>>> once I got my >>>>>>>>> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>>>>>>>> collections and reference books. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>>>>>>> Amazon felt like it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>>>>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>>>>>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >>>>>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >>>>> >>>>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or >>>>> something and thence onto a CD or something? >>>> >>>> They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about >>>> this, I don't know how difficult they make it. >>>> >>>> Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon >>>> sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle >>>> or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can >>>> replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've >>>> changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. >>>> So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't >>>> have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem >>>> over rights. >>> >>> Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, >>> don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. >>> >>> But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without >>> notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up >>> with? >> >> They're not actually going to do it again. The reaction told them >> pretty clearly that if they repeat that mistake it will cost them dearly. > > Didn't we all have a discussion a few weeks ago about > some new e-book in sci fi that just disappeared from Amazon? > I forget if we figured out why? > Um...no?
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-17 20:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjn3upF7cgiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490544 |
In article <001b835e-599c-4718-8695-6b4dc6e65a0c@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 02:07:08 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> On 2018-04-16 5:38 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> > In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, >> > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, >> >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >> >>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >> >>>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >> >>>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >> >>>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >> >> and bigger >> >>>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >> >>>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >> >>>> than in paper >> >>>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and >magazines? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >> >>>> print. Despite >> >>>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back >> >> once I got my >> >>>>>>> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >> >>>>>>> collections and reference books. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >> >>>>>> Amazon felt like it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >> >>>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >> >>>>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >> >>>> >> >>>> Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >> >>>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >> >>> >> >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or >> >>> something and thence onto a CD or something? >> >> >> >> They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about >> >> this, I don't know how difficult they make it. >> >> >> >> Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon >> >> sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle >> >> or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can >> >> replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've >> >> changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. >> >> So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't >> >> have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem >> >> over rights. >> > >> > Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, >> > don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. >> > >> > But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without >> > notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up >> > with? >> >> They're not actually going to do it again. The reaction told them >> pretty clearly that if they repeat that mistake it will cost them dearly. > >Didn't we all have a discussion a few weeks ago about >some new e-book in sci fi that just disappeared from Amazon? >I forget if we figured out why? That was (I presume) Sutherland's _Of Dubious Intent_ (Dark Artifice #1). So far all I have seen from him is a teaser in his March update: http://www.jasutherlandbooks.com/2018/03/21/march-2018-update/ Aside from a scary spreadsheet, we have the fragment I've changed the rest of this year's planned production schedule around in order to work on Smuggler, next after Spacer in Avrel Dansby's story, followed by next in the Dark Artifice series (more on what happened to that in a future blog post), second (or fourth, depending on how I release the first [three]) in the still unnamed Rocks series, and I might try my hand at litRPG with a title called Godgame, a bit of which has been written already, just to get the bits out of my head. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 22:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p7maddtkggiuhtbf4tebhkbe1ggmvlmpg6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490502 |
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:38:33 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>> >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>> >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>> >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>> >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>> >> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>> >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >>and bigger >>> >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>> >> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >>> >than in paper >>> >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >>> >print. Despite >>> >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back >>once I got my >>> >> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>> >> >> collections and reference books. >>> >> > >>> >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>> >> > Amazon felt like it. >>> >> >>> >> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>> >> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>> >> because I don't synch my Kindle. >>> > >>> >Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >>> > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >>> >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or >>> something and thence onto a CD or something? >> >>They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about >>this, I don't know how difficult they make it. >> >>Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon >>sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle >>or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can >>replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've >>changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. >>So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't >>have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem >>over rights. > >Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, >don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. Note that they did not remove 1984 as a whole, if you didn't have the misfortune to have bought the bootleg one they didn't remove it. And they did refund the purchase price. >But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without >notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up >with? They _might_ pull _anything_. The question is how likely it is and the answer seems to be "not very". >>In fact the Kindle way of life is supposed to involve letting >>your Kindle talk to Amazon regularly, and then they can kill >>books straight away. Or, if they feel merciful, they don't delete >>the copy you have, but you can't get it sent elsewhere to read. > >/sigh
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| From | Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 08:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490508 |
On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:21:41 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:38:33 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J > Heydt) wrote: > > >In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, > >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, > >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>> >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: > >>> >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >>> >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, > >>> >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: > >>> >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, > >>> >> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > >>> >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney > >>> >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >>> >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger > >>and bigger > >>> >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier > >>> >> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. > >>> >> >>>>>> > >>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather > >>> >than in paper > >>> >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer > >>> >print. Despite > >>> >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back > >>once I got my > >>> >> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip > >>> >> >> collections and reference books. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because > >>> >> > Amazon felt like it. > >>> >> > >>> >> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had > >>> >> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all > >>> >> because I don't synch my Kindle. > >>> > > >>> >Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and > >>> > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. > >>> > >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or > >>> something and thence onto a CD or something? > >> > >>They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about > >>this, I don't know how difficult they make it. > >> > >>Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon > >>sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle > >>or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can > >>replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've > >>changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. > >>So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't > >>have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem > >>over rights. > > > >Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, > >don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. > > Note that they did not remove 1984 as a whole, if you didn't have the > misfortune to have bought the bootleg one they didn't remove it. And > they did refund the purchase price. > > >But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without > >notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up > >with? > > They _might_ pull _anything_. The question is how likely it is and > the answer seems to be "not very". > > >>In fact the Kindle way of life is supposed to involve letting > >>your Kindle talk to Amazon regularly, and then they can kill > >>books straight away. Or, if they feel merciful, they don't delete > >>the copy you have, but you can't get it sent elsewhere to read. > > > >/sigh Yup. All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the literary equivalent of preppers. Yes, maybe civilization will collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out to be a really great idea. That sure will be egg on my face! But I am playing the odds that civilization probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better off living my life. When considering a book purchase, I think about whether I want this in paper or ebook. Both have advantages and disadvantages. If it is the sort of book that I might want to have open on the desk in front of me, with four other books and with sticky notes marking pages I am flipping back and forth between, the paper wins hands down. If it is a book I anticipate caring about having twenty years from now, then paper wins--not because I am worried about Amazon nefariously deleting my ebook, but because of the potential for format drift. But for light recreational reading, my Kindle Paperwhite is physically easier to read, even apart from the book being part of a huge, easily portable library I carry with me everywhere. If Amazon wants to take back some book and give me a full refund, that is a clear win for me if I already read it. I probably won't ever reread it, and if I decide to I can buy a paper copy. Richard R. Hershberger
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 19:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7CFoA.18x@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490528 |
In article <052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>, Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: >On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:21:41 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:38:33 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J >> Heydt) wrote: >> >> >In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, >> >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, >> >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>> >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> >>> >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >> >>> >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >> >>> >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >> >>> >> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >> >>> >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >> >>and bigger >> >>> >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and >crappier >> >>> >> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >> >>> >> >>>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >> >>> >than in paper >> >>> >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and >magazines? >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >> >>> >print. Despite >> >>> >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back >> >>once I got my >> >>> >> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic >books/comic strip >> >>> >> >> collections and reference books. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >> >>> >> > Amazon felt like it. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >> >>> >> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >> >>> >> because I don't synch my Kindle. >> >>> > >> >>> >Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >> >>> > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >> >>> >> >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or >> >>> something and thence onto a CD or something? >> >> >> >>They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about >> >>this, I don't know how difficult they make it. >> >> >> >>Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon >> >>sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle >> >>or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can >> >>replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've >> >>changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. >> >>So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't >> >>have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem >> >>over rights. >> > >> >Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, >> >don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. >> >> Note that they did not remove 1984 as a whole, if you didn't have the >> misfortune to have bought the bootleg one they didn't remove it. And >> they did refund the purchase price. >> >> >But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without >> >notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up >> >with? >> >> They _might_ pull _anything_. The question is how likely it is and >> the answer seems to be "not very". >> >> >>In fact the Kindle way of life is supposed to involve letting >> >>your Kindle talk to Amazon regularly, and then they can kill >> >>books straight away. Or, if they feel merciful, they don't delete >> >>the copy you have, but you can't get it sent elsewhere to read. >> > >> >/sigh > >Yup. All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and having >DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the literary equivalent of >preppers. Yes, maybe civilization will collapse and having a heavily >fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out to be a really great idea. That >sure will be egg on my face! But I am playing the odds that >civilization probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't >collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better >off living my life. > >When considering a book purchase, I think about whether I want this in >paper or ebook. Both have advantages and disadvantages. If it is the >sort of book that I might want to have open on the desk in front of me, >with four other books and with sticky notes marking pages I am flipping >back and forth between, the paper wins hands down. If it is a book I >anticipate caring about having twenty years from now, then paper >wins--not because I am worried about Amazon nefariously deleting my >ebook, but because of the potential for format drift. But for light >recreational reading, my Kindle Paperwhite is physically easier to read, >even apart from the book being part of a huge, easily portable library I >carry with me everywhere. If Amazon wants to take back some book and >give me a full refund, that is a clear win for me if I already read it. >I probably won't ever reread it, and if I decide to I can buy a paper >copy. I agree with you up to the "if I ever reread" point. I have a lot of books, and those that are mine (as distinguished from Hal's) get reread fairly often. For me to decide about a given book, "No, I don't ever want to read this a second time," and sell it to the usedbookstore, happens. But rarely. If I didn't like the idea of it (from a review or other second-hand source) I generally don't buy it in the first place. Right now my SSI covers my medical prepayments, plugging a hundred back into the savings account, and maybe one book, if I find one that tempts me sufficiently. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 21:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m68ddd5lmuqk1ibqm0ol07n2jgvla7ct2q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490528 |
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:24:12 -0700 (PDT), Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: >On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:21:41 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:38:33 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J >> Heydt) wrote: >> >> >In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, >> >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, >> >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>> >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> >>> >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >> >>> >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >> >>> >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >> >>> >> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >> >>> >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >> >>and bigger >> >>> >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >> >>> >> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >> >>> >> >>>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >> >>> >than in paper >> >>> >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >> >>> >print. Despite >> >>> >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back >> >>once I got my >> >>> >> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >> >>> >> >> collections and reference books. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >> >>> >> > Amazon felt like it. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >> >>> >> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >> >>> >> because I don't synch my Kindle. >> >>> > >> >>> >Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >> >>> > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >> >>> >> >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or >> >>> something and thence onto a CD or something? >> >> >> >>They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about >> >>this, I don't know how difficult they make it. >> >> >> >>Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon >> >>sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle >> >>or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can >> >>replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've >> >>changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them. >> >>So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't >> >>have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem >> >>over rights. >> > >> >Yup, that's the one I heard about. Mind you, I've read that one, >> >don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one. >> >> Note that they did not remove 1984 as a whole, if you didn't have the >> misfortune to have bought the bootleg one they didn't remove it. And >> they did refund the purchase price. >> >> >But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without >> >notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up >> >with? >> >> They _might_ pull _anything_. The question is how likely it is and >> the answer seems to be "not very". >> >> >>In fact the Kindle way of life is supposed to involve letting >> >>your Kindle talk to Amazon regularly, and then they can kill >> >>books straight away. Or, if they feel merciful, they don't delete >> >>the copy you have, but you can't get it sent elsewhere to read. >> > >> >/sigh > >Yup. All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the literary equivalent of preppers. Yes, maybe civilization will collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out to be a really great idea. That sure will be egg on my face! But I am playing the odds that civilization probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better off living my life. > >When considering a book purchase, I think about whether I want this in paper or ebook. Both have advantages and disadvantages. If it is the sort of book that I might want to have open on the desk in front of me, with four other books and with sticky notes marking pages I am flipping back and forth between, the paper wins hands down. If it is a book I anticipate caring about having twenty years from now, then paper wins--not because I am worried about Amazon nefariously deleting my ebook, but because of the potential for format drift. But for light recreational reading, my Kindle Paperwhite is physically easier to read, even apart from the book being part of a huge, easily portable library I carry with me everywhere. If Amazon wants to take back some book and give me a full refund, that is a clear win for me if I already read it. I probably won't ever reread it, and if I decide to I can buy a paper copy. The other concern for me is whether the content is Kindle-friendly. Generally speaking if there's a lot of math in it I'll go for paper--I've seen too many Kindle books where most of an expression is text but an important symbol is an image that ends up in some position that has little relation to the rest the expression. I don't think it _has_ to be that way but that seems to be the lazy way.
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| From | goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) |
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| Date | 2018-04-18 05:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7D8B3.1MK2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490528 |
In article <052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>, Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: >Yup. All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and having >DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the literary equivalent of >preppers. Yes, maybe civilization will collapse and having a heavily >fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out to be a really great idea. That >sure will be egg on my face! But I am playing the odds that >civilization probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't >collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better >off living my life. Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the Kindle apps on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync between them so that I can move between one and the other. I read on the tablet while eating, which is something I can't do with any physical book -- the tablet lies flat, and I can reach out with one hand from time to time to change the pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold open a paper book -- and then when I'm in line in the grocery store I can whip out the phone and read a couple more pages, and it knows where I left off on the tablet. Yes, in principle this means that Amazon could reach out and delete my books. And in principle this means that they can monitor my reading. It's a classic tradeoff between security and convenience, and for me the convenience is an obvious win. (Presumably this is where Terry comes and calls me a loosey-goosey moron. Whatever floats his boat.) -- David Goldfarb |"Feeling smug about one's opinions is the very goldfarbdj@gmail.com | lifeblood of the Net." goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Dawn Friedman
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-18 23:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490589 |
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote: >In article <052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>, >Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: >>Yup. All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and having >>DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the literary equivalent of >>preppers. Yes, maybe civilization will collapse and having a heavily >>fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out to be a really great idea. That >>sure will be egg on my face! But I am playing the odds that >>civilization probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't >>collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better >>off living my life. > >Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the Kindle apps >on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync between them so that I >can move between one and the other. I read on the tablet while eating, >which is something I can't do with any physical book -- the tablet >lies flat, and I can reach out with one hand from time to time to >change the pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold >open a paper book Lay the edge of your plate on it. Or at a fast food place the tray. >-- and then when I'm in line in the grocery store >I can whip out the phone and read a couple more pages, and it knows >where I left off on the tablet. > >Yes, in principle this means that Amazon could reach out and delete >my books. And in principle this means that they can monitor my reading. >It's a classic tradeoff between security and convenience, and for me >the convenience is an obvious win. > >(Presumably this is where Terry comes and calls me a loosey-goosey moron. >Whatever floats his boat.)
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| From | goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) |
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| Date | 2018-04-19 04:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7F0IC.1CE5@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490663 |
In article <dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David >Goldfarb) wrote: >>I read on the tablet while eating, >>which is something I can't do with any physical book -- the tablet >>lies flat, and I can reach out with one hand from time to time to >>change the pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold >>open a paper book > >Lay the edge of your plate on it. Or at a fast food place the tray. The pages slide out, and the whole thing shuts itself. Or if I'm covering enough of the surface area to prevent that, then some of the text is covered up, and in order to read the bottom of the page I have to shift things around -- and then put them back. Too much trouble. -- David Goldfarb |From the fortune cookie file: goldfarbdj@gmail.com |"Do not put so much sugar in your coffee, or goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | he will think you extravagant."
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-19 05:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7F2o0.1GCL@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490669 |
In article <p7F0IC.1CE5@kithrup.com>, David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com>, >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David >>Goldfarb) wrote: >>>I read on the tablet while eating, >>>which is something I can't do with any physical book -- the tablet >>>lies flat, and I can reach out with one hand from time to time to >>>change the pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold >>>open a paper book >> >>Lay the edge of your plate on it. Or at a fast food place the tray. > >The pages slide out, and the whole thing shuts itself. Or if I'm >covering enough of the surface area to prevent that, then some >of the text is covered up, and in order to read the bottom of the >page I have to shift things around -- and then put them back. >Too much trouble. I hold the book in one hand and the fork in the other. If necessary to use both hands (cutting up meat, e.g.), I put the book down long enough to do so, and then exchange knife for book. The real problem I used to have was when Sebastian was alive. We had (as you'll recall) raised him from two weeks old, and he thought he was a people. If people were eating something, he'd assume that he could eat it too. So I needed three hands, one for the fork, one for the book, one for the cat. I was always at least one hand short. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-19 10:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <75eabd73-6860-4fa9-af07-87b741ded340@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490673 |
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 1:45:07 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > I hold the book in one hand and the fork in the other. If > necessary to use both hands (cutting up meat, e.g.), I put the > book down long enough to do so, and then exchange knife for book. > > The real problem I used to have was when Sebastian was alive. ..... You needed to have a book stand or easel, not the bookstore display kind, but the little cousins of the ones libraries use for sizeable dictionaries. Book stands up straight, at the appropriate angle. These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" households, however. Kevin R
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 01:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <zrOdnQ3jUpvhRUfHnZ2dnUU7-Y-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #490693 |
On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" > households, however. ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones. Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7JKxu.12DA@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490817 |
In article <zrOdnQ3jUpvhRUfHnZ2dnUU7-Y-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" >> households, however. > >ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones. > >Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's Zenna Henderson? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-23 15:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tvednS0gcoH_1UPHnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #490832 |
On 2018-04-21, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: >>On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" >>> households, however. >> >>ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones. >> >>Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's > > Zenna Henderson? Technically, those -weren't- children's books. But no, that was the actual title of the book, protagonist could kiss her elbow which was a sign of her Powers, and there was a large evilish cat living there too. Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-23 21:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7nq4q.1Hy9@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490908 |
In article <tvednS0gcoH_1UPHnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-21, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: >>>On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" >>>> households, however. >>> >>>ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones. >>> >>>Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's >> >> Zenna Henderson? > >Technically, those -weren't- children's books. True, although I was a child when I read them. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-26 02:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9334a305-8700-4d44-b9b1-f0ffd5a19b46@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490910 |
On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <tvednS0gcoH_1UPHnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: > >On 2018-04-21, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > >> David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >>>> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table" > >>>> households, however. > >>> > >>>ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones. > >>> > >>>Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's > >> > >> Zenna Henderson? > > > >Technically, those -weren't- children's books. > > True, although I was a child when I read them. I had to get special written permission from my mother to access the not-kids part of the Montebello (CA) Public Library after burning through the kids' section at age seven. Oh, the things my eyes then saw. As I look back I'm kinda surprised the library even *had* some of those books- De Sade and "worse"- in 1960. Of course I _began_ with the non-YA stuff of Heinlein, Asimov, and so forth but I read so fast I used them up real quick so after burning through the rest of the SF I started in on general fiction and then whatever I could find, especially stuff other authors referenced. Mark L. Fergerson
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