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Re: Undeservedly famous

From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: Undeservedly famous
Date 2018-04-17 20:32 +0000
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In article <001b835e-599c-4718-8695-6b4dc6e65a0c@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 02:07:08 UTC+1, David Johnston  wrote:
>> On 2018-04-16 5:38 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > In article <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
>> >>> In article <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston  wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >>>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> >>>>>>> David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney
>> >>>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger
>> >> and bigger
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*.  There is no loss of interest in reading.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather
>> >>>> than in paper
>> >>>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Do you have statistics?  And do you include newspapers and
>magazines?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer
>> >>>> print.  Despite
>> >>>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back
>> >> once I got my
>> >>>>>>> kindle.  The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip
>> >>>>>>> collections and reference books.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because
>> >>>>>> Amazon felt like it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ...don't synch your Kindle.  That's all it takes.  Even if Amazon had
>> >>>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all
>> >>>>> because I don't synch my Kindle.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Until your Kindle breaks.  Then you can buy another Kindle and
>> >>>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or
>> >>> something and thence onto a CD or something?
>> >>
>> >> They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about
>> >> this, I don't know how difficult they make it.
>> >>
>> >> Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon
>> >> sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle
>> >> or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can
>> >> replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've
>> >> changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them.
>> >> So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't
>> >> have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem
>> >> over rights.
>> > 
>> > Yup, that's the one I heard about.  Mind you, I've read that one,
>> > don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one.
>> > 
>> > But what else, that I actually want, might they pull without
>> > notice for whatever legitimate (or il-) reason they could come up
>> > with?
>> 
>> They're not actually going to do it again.  The reaction told them 
>> pretty clearly that if they repeat that mistake it will cost them dearly.
>
>Didn't we all have a discussion a few weeks ago about 
>some new e-book in sci fi that just disappeared from Amazon?
>I forget if we figured out why?

That was (I presume) Sutherland's _Of Dubious Intent_ (Dark Artifice #1).
So far all I have seen from him is a teaser in his March update:

http://www.jasutherlandbooks.com/2018/03/21/march-2018-update/

Aside from a scary spreadsheet, we have the fragment


	I've changed the rest of this year's planned production
	schedule around in order to work on Smuggler, next after
	Spacer in Avrel Dansby's story, followed by next in the
	Dark Artifice series (more on what happened to that in a
	future blog post), second (or fourth, depending on how I
	release the first [three]) in the still unnamed Rocks series,
	and I might try my hand at litRPG with a title called
	Godgame, a bit of which has been written already, just to
	get the bits out of my head.
-- 
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