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Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It

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  Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 11:32 -0800
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 13:44 -0600
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-10 20:57 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-10 21:45 +0000
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-11 03:12 +0000
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-11 04:15 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:39 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-12-12 20:00 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-12-12 20:00 +0000
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 13:14 -0700
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-12 20:54 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-12 16:10 -0800
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-12 16:29 -0800
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 20:41 -0700
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-12-12 19:46 -0800
                          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-13 04:14 +0000
                          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 06:48 -0600
                            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 05:12 -0800
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 05:18 -0800
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 14:23 +0000
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 21:00 -0600
                                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 19:33 -0800
                                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-01-27 15:35 -0800
                                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 04:09 -0700
                                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-02-01 03:02 -0800
                            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-13 12:16 -0800
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 03:57 -0800
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 04:48 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2016-12-11 00:25 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 13:39 +0000
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-11 17:45 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-12 14:16 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-12 23:22 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-12 15:40 -0800
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 10:49 -0800
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 22:33 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:20 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-11 17:07 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:31 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-12 04:24 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-12 04:26 -0700
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2016-12-10 21:23 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:04 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 18:24 -0600
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:29 -0500
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-12 04:32 -0700
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 06:51 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-12-12 12:55 -0500
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-12 13:00 -0500
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-12 18:05 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-12 12:07 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 12:26 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-11 09:29 -0600
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 20:50 -0600
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-10 20:36 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:03 -0500
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 00:48 +0000
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 14:23 -0700
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:12 -0500
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-10 19:18 -0500
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-10 22:48 +0000
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 16:46 -0800
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 17:15 -0800
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It eichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice) - 2016-12-12 18:38 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-12 15:48 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 03:21 +0000
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It eichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice) - 2016-12-13 22:12 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2016-12-13 09:51 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 11:01 -0800
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 19:19 +0000
            The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-13 13:05 -0700
              Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-13 15:57 -0500
                Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 21:57 +0000
                  Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 15:28 -0800
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 23:38 +0000
                      Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 16:23 -0800
                        Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-14 01:35 +0000
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-14 00:05 -0800
                Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-13 15:49 -0700
                  Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 16:54 -0800
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-13 20:13 -0500
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:02 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-13 21:11 +0000
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:48 -0800
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 18:02 -0800
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2017-01-27 18:00 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:51 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:56 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:04 +0000
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-13 22:37 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 23:42 +0000
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 19:07 -0500
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-14 01:38 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:00 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 21:10 -0600
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:41 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-13 22:22 -0700
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 16:32 -0600

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#459378

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date2016-12-10 22:48 +0000
Message-ID<eb3f1nF5fhaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#459363
In article <f6633721-3875-473e-bb57-5f5fca9d00dd@googlegroups.com>,
nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>  How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time
>And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The

Vance's "Dying Earth" for unknown, but probably fairly small, values of X.
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#459390

FromButch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-10 16:46 -0800
Message-ID<d46196d1-647f-4357-9d09-9ede0d04d5af@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459363
On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:32:27 PM UTC-6, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone.
> 
>   What I don't mean is "weak" dystopian stuff like _FROOMB_ which presents a sort of pervasive sense that things are turning to shit, I mean the Vogons have made their announcement or we can see the asteroid coming or whatever.

"The Star" by H. G. Wells
"Last and First Men" by Olaf Stapledon
"The Xi Effect" by Philip Latham (R. S. Richardson)
"One in Three Hundred" by J. T. McIntosh
"The Last Day" by Richard Matheson

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#459392

FromButch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-10 17:15 -0800
Message-ID<19523341-90e2-41d9-b17f-83ed08b39abe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459390
On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-6, Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:32:27 PM UTC-6, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> > How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone.
> > 
> >   What I don't mean is "weak" dystopian stuff like _FROOMB_ which presents a sort of pervasive sense that things are turning to shit, I mean the Vogons have made their announcement or we can see the asteroid coming or whatever.
> 
> "The Star" by H. G. Wells
> "Last and First Men" by Olaf Stapledon
> "The Xi Effect" by Philip Latham (R. S. Richardson)
> "One in Three Hundred" by J. T. McIntosh
> "The Last Day" by Richard Matheson

"And Lo! The Bird" by Nelson S. Bond

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#459504

FromeichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice)
Date2016-12-12 18:38 +0000
Message-ID<584eed5d.874639838@localhost>
In reply to#459363
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:32:25 -0800 (PST), "nuny@bid.nes"
<Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:

>  How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time And T=
>here's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The standard tr=
>ope is "We can't let this go public or there will be widespread panic", but=
> there must be some in which it *has* gotten out and various people deal wi=
>th that certainty in various ways.

A few years ago I read "The Light of Other Days" by Steven Baxter and
Arthur C. Clarke, and if I'm remembering right the story starts with
the discovery that a giant meteor is going to destroy the Earth in a
few centuries and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.  The info
is released to the public, and I'm thinking it's going to be a story
about how people would react to the knowledge that the human race has
no future.

Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.

  -- Bob

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#459540

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-12-12 15:48 -0800
Message-ID<ce11ac8c-cac5-464e-84c9-1655a5436c55@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459504
On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-7, Bice wrote:

> Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
> it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
> guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
> everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.

Maybe he invented the wormholes in hopes that they could be used as a way to 
escape from the meteor? (Introducing the plot line in the first place would 
*still* be bad writing, of course, since the impending end of the world makes 
the rest of the story anticlimatic...)

John Savard

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#459568

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-13 03:21 +0000
Message-ID<oI3tC0.nrA@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459540
In article <ce11ac8c-cac5-464e-84c9-1655a5436c55@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-7, Bice wrote:
>
>> Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
>> it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
>> guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
>> everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.
>
>Maybe he invented the wormholes in hopes that they could be used as a way to 
>escape from the meteor? (Introducing the plot line in the first place would 
>*still* be bad writing, of course, since the impending end of the world makes 
>the rest of the story anticlimatic...)

Or, if you had an exceedingly dirigible wormhole, maybe you could
catch the meteor *in* it, thereby making it somebody else's
problem.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459654

FromeichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice)
Date2016-12-13 22:12 +0000
Message-ID<58507001.973670661@localhost>
In reply to#459568
In article <ce11ac8c-cac5-464e-84c9-1655a5436c55@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-7, Bice wrote:
>
>> Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
>> it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
>> guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
>> everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.
>
>Maybe he invented the wormholes in hopes that they could be used as a way to 
>escape from the meteor?

I can't find the book now (I think I might have sold it back to 2nd
and Charles as soon as I finished reading it), but from memory
(ROT-13ed to avoid spoiling it for anyone who might read it):

V'z cerggl fher lbh'er evtug.  Gurer jnf n cnentencu be gjb arne gur
raq bs gung whfg jnirq gur zrgrbe njnl.  Bar bs gur punenpgref
fhqqrayl erzrzorerq vg naq nfxrq "Jung rire unccrarq gb gung zrgrbe?"
naq bar bs gur bgure punenpgref nafjrerq "Bu lrnu gung, jr hfrq gur
jbezubyrf gb qb fhpu-naq-fhpu grpuab-zhzoyr-whzoyr naq vg'f ab ybatre
n ceboyrz".

V jvfu V unq gur obbx urer gb frr rknpgyl ubj vg jnf jevggra.  Vg jnf
n erny nagvpyvznk.  Gur jubyr obbx jnf onfvpnyyl whfg n ernyyl jrnx
cybg hfrq gb rknzvar gur vqrn bs "jung jbhyq unccra vs jr pbhyq frr
nalbar, naljurer, nalgvzr va gur cerfrag be cnfg?"

  -- Bob

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#459621

From103134.3516@compuserve.com
Date2016-12-13 09:51 -0800
Message-ID<57831054-d3e5-4b96-9a93-72d2e28d6776@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459504
On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 1:38:45 PM UTC-5, Bice wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:32:25 -0800 (PST), "nuny@bid.nes"
> 
> A few years ago I read "The Light of Other Days" by Steven Baxter and
> Arthur C. Clarke, and if I'm remembering right the story starts with
> the discovery that a giant meteor is going to destroy the Earth in a
> few centuries and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.  The info
> is released to the public, and I'm thinking it's going to be a story
> about how people would react to the knowledge that the human race has
> no future.
> 
> Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
> it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
> guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
> everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.

The wikipedia page on that novel doesn't even mention the meteor...

But this made me think of a story, perhaps early-80's Asimov Magazine, or maybe a decade older and read in an anthology. I could swear the title was "I See You", but google doesn't find it.

Somebody invents a distance-viewer. Distant in time AND space. Markets it as a newfangled binocular, with a time-dial labeled "do not turn this dial". I recall a scene where neighbors had set up an emergency-call system where they were supposed to ONLY look at each others' kitchen cork boards for SOS messages: one had a home-invasion too fast to post an SOS; the other saw it. Police were called, the day was saved, and they never talked again because "you were spying on me!"

I also remember the inventor throwing up when he watched the Kennedy assassination.

Eventually, everything settled out and people were expected to watch their own conceptions and nobody missed that old "privacy" thing, whatever it was.

YASID?

JimboCat
-- 
"Dumbledore died at the end of book 6, so I can't ask him!" [tsbrueni]

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#459624

FromPeter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-13 11:01 -0800
Message-ID<994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459621
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-5, 10313...@compuserve.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 1:38:45 PM UTC-5, Bice wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:32:25 -0800 (PST), "nuny@bid.nes"
> > 
> > A few years ago I read "The Light of Other Days" by Steven Baxter and
> > Arthur C. Clarke, and if I'm remembering right the story starts with
> > the discovery that a giant meteor is going to destroy the Earth in a
> > few centuries and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.  The info
> > is released to the public, and I'm thinking it's going to be a story
> > about how people would react to the knowledge that the human race has
> > no future.
> > 
> > Instead the book immediately dropped that plot line (I'm not sure why
> > it was introduced in the first place) and changed gears to be about a
> > guy who invented a mini-wormhole technology that let everyone spy on
> > everyone else, and the subsequent breakdown of society.
> 
> The wikipedia page on that novel doesn't even mention the meteor...
> 
> But this made me think of a story, perhaps early-80's Asimov Magazine, or maybe a decade older and read in an anthology. I could swear the title was "I See You", but google doesn't find it.
> 
> Somebody invents a distance-viewer. Distant in time AND space. Markets it as a newfangled binocular, with a time-dial labeled "do not turn this dial". I recall a scene where neighbors had set up an emergency-call system where they were supposed to ONLY look at each others' kitchen cork boards for SOS messages: one had a home-invasion too fast to post an SOS; the other saw it. Police were called, the day was saved, and they never talked again because "you were spying on me!"
> 
> I also remember the inventor throwing up when he watched the Kennedy assassination.
> 
> Eventually, everything settled out and people were expected to watch their own conceptions and nobody missed that old "privacy" thing, whatever it was.
> 
> YASID?

This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See You' by
Damon Knight (1976). There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).

I suspect you're remembering the former. Was there a bit about in insect researcher following bee evolution backwards? If so, that's it.

One thing both stories have is people trying do devise processes which let
them deseminate the knowledge of how to build these simple devices universally.
They feel that if this ability is closely held, it will be abused, whereas
if *everyone* can see everyone else, at all times, anywhere, anywhen, the 
damage is neutralized.

The Knight story has a particularly complex distribution method, since the 
inventor wished to keep his identity secret as long as possible, even in 
the presence of the Chronoscope.

Its interesting to speculate about the effect on society if privacy and
secrets were totally eliminated, and everyone could see what was or had done
at any place, now or in the past. I could see it going both good and bad ways.

pt

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#459626

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-13 19:19 +0000
Message-ID<oI51oF.1Dqt@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459624
In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See You' by
>Damon Knight (1976).

Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?

 There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).

Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."

...
>
>One thing both stories have is people trying do devise processes which let
>them deseminate the knowledge of how to build these simple devices universally.
>They feel that if this ability is closely held, it will be abused, whereas
>if *everyone* can see everyone else, at all times, anywhere, anywhen, the 
>damage is neutralized.

After a rather tumultuous period of adjustment.


-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459628 — The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromDavid Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2016-12-13 13:05 -0700
SubjectThe Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<o2pk7i$lra$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459626
On 12/13/2016 12:19 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See You' by
>> Damon Knight (1976).
>
> Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?
>
>  There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).
>
> Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
> everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."

I kind of suspect that "I See You" was a response to The Dead Past.

The Dead Past, Childhood's End, and Triple Detente are all on my list of 
stories where I'm pretty sure my reaction wasn't what the author 
intended.  Then there was Fahrenheit 451 where virtually nobody got the 
intended "Television is evil" message.

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#459635 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

From"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com>
Date2016-12-13 15:57 -0500
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<o2pn8v$eu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459628
On 12/13/16 3:05 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 12/13/2016 12:19 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See
>>> You' by
>>> Damon Knight (1976).
>>
>> Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?
>>
>>  There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).
>>
>> Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
>> everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."
>
> I kind of suspect that "I See You" was a response to The Dead Past.
>
> The Dead Past, Childhood's End, and Triple Detente are all on my list of
> stories where I'm pretty sure my reaction wasn't what the author
> intended.

	So you had a POSITIVE reaction to the setup at the end of The Dead 
Past, and, if I get you right, a negative reaction to the setup at the 
end of Childhood's End?

	We're heading for The Dead Past right now and I'm not happy about it.



-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

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#459651 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-13 21:57 +0000
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<oI58zn.1uDy@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459635
In article <o2pn8v$eu$1@dont-email.me>,
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 12/13/16 3:05 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 12/13/2016 12:19 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See
>>>> You' by
>>>> Damon Knight (1976).
>>>
>>> Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?
>>>
>>>  There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).
>>>
>>> Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
>>> everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."
>>
>> I kind of suspect that "I See You" was a response to The Dead Past.
>>
>> The Dead Past, Childhood's End, and Triple Detente are all on my list of
>> stories where I'm pretty sure my reaction wasn't what the author
>> intended.
>
>	So you had a POSITIVE reaction to the setup at the end of The Dead 
>Past, and, if I get you right, a negative reaction to the setup at the 
>end of Childhood's End?
>
>	We're heading for The Dead Past right now and I'm not happy about it.

Well, we're old.  Apparently the youngsters are getting used to
having no privacy.

A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:

http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/

Read the aunt's response.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459663 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2016-12-13 15:28 -0800
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<e47e9fae-2401-42c6-a94c-eb2848e79ce9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459651
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:
> 
> http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/
> 
> Read the aunt's response.
> 


So, Gospodin Genius Lev wasn't smart enough to label his
"secret diary" as "notes for my new novel" and use aliases
or initials for the "characters?"  Well, he wasn't smart about
everything, and who of us is?

Kevin R

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#459664 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-13 23:38 +0000
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<oI5Doz.rx@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459663
In article <e47e9fae-2401-42c6-a94c-eb2848e79ce9@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:
>> 
>>
>http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/
>> 
>> Read the aunt's response.
>> 
>
>
>So, Gospodin Genius Lev wasn't smart enough to label his
>"secret diary" as "notes for my new novel" and use aliases
>or initials for the "characters?"  Well, he wasn't smart about
>everything, and who of us is?

I don't recognize the name.  Real or fictional?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459671 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2016-12-13 16:23 -0800
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<d509d8e7-13e2-405e-990d-667762087013@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459664
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <e47e9fae-2401-42c6-a94c-eb2848e79ce9@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >
> >> A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:
> >> 
> >>
> >http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/
> >> 
> >> Read the aunt's response.
> >> 
> >
> >
> >So, Gospodin Genius Lev wasn't smart enough to label his
> >"secret diary" as "notes for my new novel" and use aliases
> >or initials for the "characters?"  Well, he wasn't smart about
> >everything, and who of us is?
> 
> I don't recognize the name.  Real or fictional?

Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy: {Graf Tolstoy, I believe}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy

Being a thoroughgoing "small r" republican, I demoted him to "Mister."

Kevin R

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#459681 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-14 01:35 +0000
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<oI5J3n.ECo@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459671
In article <d509d8e7-13e2-405e-990d-667762087013@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <e47e9fae-2401-42c6-a94c-eb2848e79ce9@googlegroups.com>,
>> Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >
>> >> A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:
>> >> 
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/
>> >> 
>> >> Read the aunt's response.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >So, Gospodin Genius Lev wasn't smart enough to label his
>> >"secret diary" as "notes for my new novel" and use aliases
>> >or initials for the "characters?"  Well, he wasn't smart about
>> >everything, and who of us is?
>> 
>> I don't recognize the name.  Real or fictional?
>
>Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy: {Graf Tolstoy, I believe}
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
>
>Being a thoroughgoing "small r" republican, I demoted him to "Mister."

Okay.  If you'd called him Lev Nikolayevich, I might have had a
clue.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459716 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2016-12-14 00:05 -0800
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<5a5e3adf-561a-44d4-8c1b-2877cae9ab55@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459663
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:28:58 UTC, Kevrob  wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> 
> > A perhaps relevant article from an agony aunt:
> > 
> > http://www.elle.com/life-love/ask-e-jean/advice/a25438/ask-e-jean-my-wife-read-my-diary/
> > 
> > Read the aunt's response.
> > 
> 
> 
> So, Gospodin Genius Lev wasn't smart enough to label his
> "secret diary" as "notes for my new novel" and use aliases
> or initials for the "characters?"  Well, he wasn't smart about
> everything, and who of us is?
> 
> Kevin R

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy> mentions
Tolstoy's diary and his death, but not as connected, 
so, is the story true?  (Does that matter?)

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#459662 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromDavid Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2016-12-13 15:49 -0700
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<o2ptrv$p27$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459635
On 12/13/2016 1:57 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 12/13/16 3:05 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 12/13/2016 12:19 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See
>>>> You' by
>>>> Damon Knight (1976).
>>>
>>> Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?
>>>
>>>  There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).
>>>
>>> Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
>>> everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."
>>
>> I kind of suspect that "I See You" was a response to The Dead Past.
>>
>> The Dead Past, Childhood's End, and Triple Detente are all on my list of
>> stories where I'm pretty sure my reaction wasn't what the author
>> intended.
>
>     So you had a POSITIVE reaction to the setup at the end of The Dead
> Past,

Actually my reaction to "The Dead Past" was more "Meh.  We'll get used 
to it.".  Note, incidentally that the unhappy ending is "the public gets 
access to it".  The government already had it and were using it for 
domestic espionage.  The only privacy the public had was "the government 
isn't interested in you.  Yet."

and, if I get you right, a negative reaction to the setup at the
> end of Childhood's End?

Humanity just all got eaten.  And a perfectly good planet and all the 
life on it with them.  Eventually the Overmind will eat all potential 
for life in the galaxy.

>
>     We're heading for The Dead Past right now and I'm not happy about it.
>
>
>

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#459678 — Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2016-12-13 16:54 -0800
SubjectRe: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received.
Message-ID<o2q56i$ies$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459662
On 12/13/2016 2:49 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 12/13/2016 1:57 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 12/13/16 3:05 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2016 12:19 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <994f5302-9a5d-42a5-9944-f46d6623a1d9@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Peter Trei  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This gizmo has been done several times. The best is possibly 'I See
>>>>> You' by
>>>>> Damon Knight (1976).
>>>>
>>>> Is that the one whose punchline is "Take a GOOD look!" ?
>>>>
>>>>  There's also Asimov's 'The Dead Past' (1956).
>>>>
>>>> Whose punchline is "Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, and to
>>>> everybody, and may you all roast in hell forever."
>>>
>>> I kind of suspect that "I See You" was a response to The Dead Past.
>>>
>>> The Dead Past, Childhood's End, and Triple Detente are all on my list of
>>> stories where I'm pretty sure my reaction wasn't what the author
>>> intended.
>>
>>     So you had a POSITIVE reaction to the setup at the end of The Dead
>> Past,
>
> Actually my reaction to "The Dead Past" was more "Meh.  We'll get used
> to it.".  Note, incidentally that the unhappy ending is "the public gets
> access to it".  The government already had it and were using it for
> domestic espionage.  The only privacy the public had was "the government
> isn't interested in you.  Yet."
>
> and, if I get you right, a negative reaction to the setup at the
>> end of Childhood's End?
>
> Humanity just all got eaten.  And a perfectly good planet and all the
> life on it with them.  Eventually the Overmind will eat all potential
> for life in the galaxy.
>
I know of at least one other person who feels the same way about 
'Childhood's End'.

-- 
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(Still accepting responses for Fall 2016)

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