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| Started by | Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-10-03 00:56 -0700 |
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Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 00:56 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 13:17 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 07:21 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 11:37 -0600
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 11:40 -0600
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 11:37 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-03 13:13 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:50 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 14:52 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:18 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-04 00:54 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 05:09 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-04 12:45 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-04 12:32 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 00:00 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 21:17 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 02:09 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 22:55 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-04 20:21 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 23:39 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-05 05:23 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-05 05:29 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 12:44 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-05 11:06 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 14:52 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-12 11:42 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 12:44 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-05 08:30 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 15:48 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-05 11:12 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-05 10:14 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-05 15:18 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-05 15:30 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-10-06 08:46 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-06 09:37 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-10-06 16:31 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-08 14:15 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 08:36 +0200
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 12:50 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:50 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-06 03:27 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-04 00:51 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 16:57 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 12:40 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 21:27 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 03:04 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 01:19 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-05 15:04 +0300
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 12:55 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-05 22:58 +0300
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 13:08 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2016-10-05 10:13 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 14:40 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 18:59 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 15:30 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-05 23:07 +0300
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:12 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-06 02:33 +0300
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:45 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-06 02:03 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 06:36 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-06 19:36 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-09 22:51 +0100
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:43 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:44 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 23:23 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 14:33 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 08:03 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 12:53 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:49 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-05 23:25 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-06 18:08 +1100
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-07 05:41 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:01 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-07 20:03 -0500
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-08 03:28 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-07 18:33 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-28 00:10 +1100
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 21:13 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-07 04:55 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 14:32 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-09 23:06 +0100
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-10-09 21:34 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-10-10 09:15 +0100
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-10-05 10:21 -0400
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2016-10-03 20:51 -0700
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-04 04:19 +0000
Re: Was Naomi Mitchison the first person in science fiction to say that interfering in non-human cultures would be wrong even if there was good cause? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-10-04 07:40 -0700
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-06 06:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6d62daf1-735e-47fc-84b2-c181f87d0c80@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453100 |
On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 10:15:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <XnsA698AA77538A7taustingmail@69.16.179.43>, > Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > >Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote in > >news:MPG.325fba4a49814dd098999b@news.kolumbus.fi: > > > >> In article > >> <227713d3-6bbc-41bc-99a9-9289b0d2f197@googlegroups.com>, > >> Alien8752@gmail.com says... > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-7, Juho > >>> Julkunen wrote: > >>> > In article > >>> > <robertaw-1299A8.10134205102016@news.individual.net>, > >>> > robertaw@drizzle.com says... > >>> > > > >>> > > Even 5 tabs will bring Firefox to a stop if those pages are > >>> > > too busy with extraneous junk. > >>> > > >>> > Wouldn't even one do it, if it is too busy with extraneous > >>> > junk? That is, this isn't so much an issue with the number of > >>> > tabs, but misbehaving pages, I think. If a page drags the > >>> > performance down, I won't keep it open, obviously. > >>> > >>> That's why NoScript and AdBlocker were invented, to keep the > >>> jangly Flash-y ads from showing. Lose those and even the most > >>> ad-heavy pages tame right down. > >>> > >>> I've found a few pages, like Forbes, that won't display > >>> anything at all until I disable one or the other. I send them > >>> a polite email explaining that I won't be visiting them in > >>> future because of that, and will recommend the same to my > >>> friends. > >>> > >>> I dunno if it helps, but I don't care. > >> > >> I don't use AdBlocker for ideological reasons. I like it when > >> advertises pay for my content. > > > >While I agree with the ideology, the practical reality is that > >virtually all ads are served by ad networks, and all the major ad > >networks regularly serve up malware because their business model > >does not allow for human oversight of what gets sent out. > >> > >> That said, any page that wants to run Flash will need to ask me, > >> and sites with noise-making ads won't get visited again. > >> > >You keep your speakers on? Fool. > > I have my speakers off, or rather, turned away from my PC, > because I have a Raspberry Pi playing kdfc.com practically all > day. It also functions as an alarm clock, playing Sousa's > "Liberty Bell" at 5:30 AM and switching on kdfc.com a few seconds > later. I have a switch to switch the speakers to the PC if I > really want to. You wake up to 'Liberty Bell'?! Are you one of those thrice-accursed "Morning People" I hear of? I wake up (always reluctantly) to a piece of cello music, set to start quiet and gradually increase in volume. pt
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-06 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEn544.18tD@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #453137 |
In article <6d62daf1-735e-47fc-84b2-c181f87d0c80@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 10:15:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> I have my speakers off, or rather, turned away from my PC,
>> because I have a Raspberry Pi playing kdfc.com practically all
>> day. It also functions as an alarm clock, playing Sousa's
>> "Liberty Bell" at 5:30 AM and switching on kdfc.com a few seconds
>> later. I have a switch to switch the speakers to the PC if I
>> really want to.
>
>You wake up to 'Liberty Bell'?! Are you one of those thrice-accursed
>"Morning People" I hear of?
Au contraire. But we have to get up at 5:30 to get the grandson
up at 6:00, feed him, dress him, brush his fangs, and get him to
the school bus which arrives at our door at or around 7:03.
>
>I wake up (always reluctantly) to a piece of cello music, set to start
>quiet and gradually increase in volume.
>
Well, on Saturday mornings we wake up rather later to _The
Beautiful Blue Danube_ ("our song," because Hal proposed to me
during the intermission of _2001_), followed by kdfc.com.
On Sundays, we wake up at about 6:50 to a track from _Messiah_,
followed by kdfc.com.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 22:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7velvb1hduuq4g09a4ug0esghn1bvrv3tl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #453172 |
On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 19:36:04 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
>Well, on Saturday mornings we wake up rather later to _The
>Beautiful Blue Danube_ ("our song," because Hal proposed to me
>during the intermission of _2001_)
Squee! That's so cute.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
[Chlorine trifluoride] is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood,
and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water -- with which
it reacts explosively.
- "Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants", J D Clarke
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 16:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA698AA354FDF0taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #453093 |
"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in
news:227713d3-6bbc-41bc-99a9-9289b0d2f197@googlegroups.com:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-7, Juho Julkunen
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <robertaw-1299A8.10134205102016@news.individual.net>,
>> robertaw@drizzle.com says...
>> >
>> > Even 5 tabs will bring Firefox to a stop if those pages are
>> > too busy with extraneous junk.
>>
>> Wouldn't even one do it, if it is too busy with extraneous
>> junk? That is, this isn't so much an issue with the number of
>> tabs, but misbehaving pages, I think. If a page drags the
>> performance down, I won't keep it open, obviously.
>
> That's why NoScript and AdBlocker were invented, to keep the
> jangly Flash-y ads from showing. Lose those and even the most
> ad-heavy pages tame right down.
>
> I've found a few pages, like Forbes, that won't display
> anything at all until I disable one or the other. I send them
> a polite email explaining that I won't be visiting them in
> future because of that, and will recommend the same to my
> friends.
Forbes, in particular, is simply evil, since their web site was, at
one point, distributing malware to those who didn't have an ad
blocker.
>
> I dunno if it helps, but I don't care.
>
I'll bet you a steak dinner no human being ever sees those
messages, or ever will.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 21:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4uqdndXDIpsYJ2jKnZ2dnUU7-e_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #453033 |
On 2016-10-05, nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 12:04:22 AM UTC-7, Brian M. Scott wrote: >> This was a reminder to do some weeding. I now have 72 tabs >> open in Firefox *after* closing a few dozen, some of them >> over a year old (yes, it was well past time to weed, and >> yes, there???s a reason for each of the remaining ones); 44 >> in Vivaldi after a bit of weeding; and 23 in Chrome. Yes, >> all three browsers are running at the moment. > > My ADHD just puked all over your monitor. How can you manage all of that? > > I mean, I know my current computer can do that too, but I have no reason to > have more than one browser open at a time, and 23, 44, 72 tabs? WTF _FOR_? I only have 29 tabs open at present, all in Firefox windows (6 different ones), and one of those is the youtube tab I opened just now to check on Cyraik's videos, which is getting closed again. For me the main reason to do this is to keep track of _where I am_ in various websites - which SCP number I'm on, which page of Twig I stopped at, where I am on Captain Awkward or the Pervocracy, for some examples. Secondary would be to remind me to keep up with some video series, like Vsauce or Where the Bears Are, or shows, like Trevor Noah's. (The Flash is back again on CW, and I'm gonna have to follow it there now because Hulu went paid-subscribers-only, bah.) And one tab's for whichever webcomic I'm currently catching up (in reverse) on. Dave, luckily Firefox, when it crashes, _saves which tabs you had open and where on the page you were_, which is awesome -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 23:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1vcto6b2cjers.104m0tnvs7sm7$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #453106 |
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:44:21 -0500, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in<news:4uqdndXDIpsYJ2jKnZ2dnUU7-e_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > Dave, luckily Firefox, when it crashes, _saves which tabs > you had open and where on the page you were_, which is > awesome I’m always amused when I get the ‘Well this is embarrassing’ message, because it never has any trouble restoring my tabs when I then tell it to do so. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f45gvbh7vnng1q51o0t1kc2rqdqkr7n0i1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #453113 |
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 23:23:26 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
<b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:44:21 -0500, David DeLaney
><daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote
>in<news:4uqdndXDIpsYJ2jKnZ2dnUU7-e_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>> Dave, luckily Firefox, when it crashes, _saves which tabs
>> you had open and where on the page you were_, which is
>> awesome
>
>I’m always amused when I get the ‘Well this is
>embarrassing’ message, because it never has any trouble
>restoring my tabs when I then tell it to do so.
Likewise. Except there was one time when I thought I had lost
them. Just a bit of anxiety.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-06 08:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <SdSdnWNEhJkh1mvKnZ2dnUU7-LGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #453106 |
On 2016-10-06, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: > to check on Cyraik's videos, which is getting closed again. "Cyriak's", sorry. And it didn't get closed for a while, because it youtube-walked to excerpts from Colbert's late-night recent shows (and one Seth Myers). Dave, don't judge meeeee -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 12:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEKrt8.B2x@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #453029 |
In article <1fhr9lng3ojvf.5o1fp2k1bzh0$.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:27:16 -0700 (PDT), "nuny@bid.nes" ><Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote >in<news:d1a56868-388d-4c21-9772-82fd1f353971@googlegroups.com> >in rec.arts.sf.written: > >> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 10:40:26 AM UTC-7, David >> DeLaney wrote: > >[...] > >>> Let me ask: how many tabs do you keep open? This may be >>> a crucial component. > >> As few as possible at all times. With the Quora problem >> it's just two, the other for my email which doesn't >> update. > >This was a reminder to do some weeding. I now have 72 tabs >open in Firefox *after* closing a few dozen, some of them >over a year old (yes, it was well past time to weed, and >yes, there’s a reason for each of the remaining ones); 44 >in Vivaldi after a bit of weeding; and 23 in Chrome. Yes, >all three browsers are running at the moment. Ay, ay, ay! IE does tabs too, and I might have as many as five up on an unusually busy day, but I shut 'em all down before closing the browser. How do you even see 72 tabs and find the one you're looking for? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 21:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4uqdndTDIpsDJmjKnZ2dnUU7-e-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #453043 |
On 2016-10-05, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 10:40:26 AM UTC-7, David DeLaney wrote: >>>> Let me ask: how many tabs do you keep open? This may be >>>> a crucial component. >> >>This was a reminder to do some weeding. I now have 72 tabs >>open in Firefox *after* closing a few dozen, some of them >>over a year old (yes, it was well past time to weed, and >>yes, there???s a reason for each of the remaining ones); 44 >>in Vivaldi after a bit of weeding; and 23 in Chrome. Yes, >>all three browsers are running at the moment. > > Ay, ay, ay! IE does tabs too, and I might have as many as five > up on an unusually busy day, but I shut 'em all down before > closing the browser. How do you even see 72 tabs and find the > one you're looking for? You can have more than one browser window open at once, with tabs grouped in a given window however you like, and can (on Windows) swap easily between windows with alt-tab. (Which last, apparently, many people where I work do NOT know...) I have 6 different Firefox windows open right now, with stuff grouped in a way that only makes sense to me but I can remember it, and if I forget I can riffle through them quickly. 72 tabs would be 9 windows of 8 tabs each, for example. Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 23:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1ry7zfoy380zc.1ttm8b60regfd.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #453107 |
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:49:02 -0500, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in<news:4uqdndTDIpsDJmjKnZ2dnUU7-e-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: [...] > You can have more than one browser window open at once, > with tabs grouped in a given window however you like, > and can (on Windows) swap easily between windows with > alt-tab. (Which last, apparently, many people where I > work do NOT know...) Really? Left thumb on Alt and left middle finger on Tab is one of my default positions at the computer! [...] Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-06 18:08 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <1s9hcd-t6a.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au> |
| In reply to | #453107 |
On 6/10/2016 13:49, David DeLaney wrote: > On 2016-10-05, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 10:40:26 AM UTC-7, David DeLaney wrote: >>>>> Let me ask: how many tabs do you keep open? This may be >>>>> a crucial component. >>> >>> This was a reminder to do some weeding. I now have 72 tabs >>> open in Firefox *after* closing a few dozen, some of them >>> over a year old (yes, it was well past time to weed, and >>> yes, there???s a reason for each of the remaining ones); 44 >>> in Vivaldi after a bit of weeding; and 23 in Chrome. Yes, >>> all three browsers are running at the moment. >> >> Ay, ay, ay! IE does tabs too, and I might have as many as five >> up on an unusually busy day, but I shut 'em all down before >> closing the browser. How do you even see 72 tabs and find the >> one you're looking for? > > You can have more than one browser window open at once, with tabs grouped in > a given window however you like, and can (on Windows) swap easily between > windows with alt-tab. (Which last, apparently, many people where I work do NOT > know...) I have 6 different Firefox windows open right now, with stuff grouped > in a way that only makes sense to me but I can remember it, and if I forget I > can riffle through them quickly. 72 tabs would be 9 windows of 8 tabs each, > for example. > I have 25 WaterFox (a 64-bit build of FireFox) open, and, ummmm, lots of tabs??? Some have 4 or 5, some might have 15 or 20... And I do both work and play on this peecee, some windows with 15 or 20 will be document link chains as it is useful to have all the relevant documents for the various disasters^Wprojects open in one place, one contains the web-comics I read, another has the various WFTDA (Roller Derby) pages that I track as a referee. Most of them are kept alive because it's easier than working through the bookmarks, you can tell WaterFox (and FireFox) not to load the tabs until you view them. The machine does have 16 Gigabytes of RAM, that's my current power-user minimum. Heavy users should have 8Gb, and if you just email and stare at Facebook you can get a way with 4Gb. Starting it takes a few seconds, so what, I'm reading mail. Cheers, Gary B-) -- When men talk to their friends, they insult each other. They don't really mean it. When women talk to their friends, they compliment each other. They don't mean it either.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 05:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0c248dc4-12f0-4b83-a65b-f2c1f6a78c2f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453125 |
On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:09:10 AM UTC-6, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > The machine does have 16 Gigabytes of RAM, that's my current power-user > minimum. I generally don't use tabs, occasionally I have a second or third window open. However, I do have 16 GB of RAM, as my laptop had room for that much, and I have various other ambitions. In any case, I had never heard of WaterFox, but I think I'll give it a try. John Savard
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 13:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0fd37da8-5277-4da6-b8b0-6cef6bcf7716@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453125 |
On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:09:10 AM UTC-7, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > I have 25 WaterFox (a 64-bit build of FireFox) open, and, ummmm, lots of > tabs??? Never heard of Waterfox before. What about it makes it preferable to Firefox for you? Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 20:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <_OydnTbkqrVt2GXKnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #453303 |
On 2016-10-07, nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:09:10 AM UTC-7, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: >> I have 25 WaterFox (a 64-bit build of FireFox) open, and, ummmm, lots of >> tabs??? > > Never heard of Waterfox before. What about it makes it preferable to > Firefox for you? ... vulnerable to different style elements? Dave, gotta watch'em all! -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 03:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e5r7f7Fssc3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453325 |
In article <_OydnTbkqrVt2GXKnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbd@vic.com> wrote: >On 2016-10-07, nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:09:10 AM UTC-7, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: >>> I have 25 WaterFox (a 64-bit build of FireFox) open, and, ummmm, lots of >>> tabs??? >> >> Never heard of Waterfox before. What about it makes it preferable to >> Firefox for you? > >... vulnerable to different style elements? > >Dave, gotta watch'em all! Then of course there's Iceweasel.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 18:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8870901a-505e-4f42-a256-5196c17423fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453303 |
On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 2:01:10 PM UTC-6, nu...@bid.nes wrote: > Never heard of Waterfox before. What about it makes it preferable to Firefox for you? I thought he already said it was faster. John Savard
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| From | "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-28 00:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <qua9ed-e3.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au> |
| In reply to | #453303 |
On 8/10/2016 07:01, nuny@bid.nes wrote: > On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:09:10 AM UTC-7, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > >> I have 25 WaterFox (a 64-bit build of FireFox) open, and, ummmm, lots of >> tabs??? > > Never heard of Waterfox before. What about it makes it preferable to Firefox for you? > At the time it was the only 64-bit FireFox I had found that was complete, (unlike PaleMoon which removes a lot of things), and it handled keeping lots of tabs and windows open better that 32-bit FF. And the bloke wot does it plays around with compilers and optimisation settings and memory managers to try and get the best overall performance that he can. Sadly the FF types have started to get clever[1] and are trying to manage memory better[1], which conflicts with the smart memory managers, and there is a 64-bit FF build from Mozilla now, so it's not as big a deal as it was. Cheers, Gary B-) 1 - FSOV - which, of course, includes "not." -- When men talk to their friends, they insult each other. They don't really mean it. When women talk to their friends, they compliment each other. They don't mean it either.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-06 21:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <r48evb104th5vr28mga8ni9c5g74bpfnf1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #453043 |
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 12:53:32 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
[snip]
>Ay, ay, ay! IE does tabs too, and I might have as many as five
>up on an unusually busy day, but I shut 'em all down before
>closing the browser. How do you even see 72 tabs and find the
>one you're looking for?
Well, the version of Firefox that I use has tab groups. I
probably have a couple hundred tabs open.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 04:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oEnuzo.LsB@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #453238 |
In article <r48evb104th5vr28mga8ni9c5g74bpfnf1@4ax.com>, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: >On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 12:53:32 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >wrote: > >[snip] > >>Ay, ay, ay! IE does tabs too, and I might have as many as five >>up on an unusually busy day, but I shut 'em all down before >>closing the browser. How do you even see 72 tabs and find the >>one you're looking for? > > Well, the version of Firefox that I use has tab groups. I >probably have a couple hundred tabs open. Ouch .... If you're happy with that, I won't venture to argue. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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