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  parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
    Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 20:04 -0400
      Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-28 00:14 +0000
        Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:24 -0700
          Re: parallel universe nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-08-28 13:58 +0000
            Re: parallel universe Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 05:01 -0700
    Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 01:53 +0000
      Re: parallel universe nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-28 04:11 +0000
        Re: parallel universe "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 06:26 +0100
          Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0400
            Re: parallel universe "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-28 20:33 +0100
            Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 14:58 -0700
              Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 18:11 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:29 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:08 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:12 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:29 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:27 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 13:31 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:35 -0500
                      Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:47 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0600
                  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:10 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:37 +0100
                  Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:40 -0500
                    Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-23 18:32 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 04:40 -0800
                      Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 11:12 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-24 12:08 -0700
                          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 13:07 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                          Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-24 11:58 -0800
                            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-29 10:09 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-12-02 02:51 +0000
                              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-12-02 01:12 -0800
                                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 06:44 -0800
                                  Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-03 01:03 -0600
                                    Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 06:19 -0800
                          Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 14:30 -0800
                            Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-24 18:02 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0600
                            Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0800
                              Re: parallel universe Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:49 -0700
                                Re: parallel universe Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:44 -0600
                                  Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:43 +0800
                                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:14 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 17:59 -0800
                              Re: parallel universe Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 20:50 -0700
                                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:44 +0800
                                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-27 04:01 -0800
                                    Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-28 09:35 +0800
                                      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-28 02:48 -0800
                                        Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-29 12:06 +0800
                            Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-24 17:44 -0700
                              Re: parallel universe Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 22:45 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-25 04:07 +0000
                            Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 21:35 -0700
                              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:18 -0500
                            Re: parallel universe Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-11-24 22:21 -0800
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:48 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:32 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-29 14:06 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 22:58 +0100
                      Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:02 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:17 -0700
            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 21:27 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:26 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-15 01:27 -0500
        Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
          Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 06:26 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:51 -0500
              Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:11 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-29 21:35 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:48 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-31 15:50 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 18:18 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:01 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-02 14:29 -0600
                          Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:32 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:54 -0600
                      [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:50 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 11:53 -0400
                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-03 22:31 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 02:01 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 06:28 -0700
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:56 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0400
                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:44 -0700
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 11:27 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 11:23 -0700
                                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:10 -0400
                                  Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 13:13 -0600
                                    Re: [OT] Archie comics question Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Archie comics question wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:24 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-05 11:28 -0500
                                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-05 10:03 -0700
                                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-06 23:17 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:38 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 11:12 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:58 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:37 -0500
                        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:16 -0700
                          Re: parallel universe "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 11:17 +0100
                            Re: parallel universe Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:43 -0700
                            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 12:04 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:23 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:43 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-09-04 11:22 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:25 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-05 07:58 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 16:24 -0500
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:36 -0700
          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 10:28 -0600
    Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 01:03 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-28 06:45 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 10:11 -0700
          Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-28 13:19 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:42 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:23 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:46 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:05 -0400
              Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 11:57 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 15:52 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:06 -0600
              Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:44 +0100
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:16 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-02 22:39 +0100
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:31 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:44 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:24 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:58 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 08:11 -0400
          Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:50 -0500
          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 22:14 -0600
          Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:15 -0700
      Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 00:55 -0700
        Re: parallel universe je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-08-29 01:13 -0700
          Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:17 -0700
            Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:30 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-29 19:23 +0200
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:54 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
              Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 23:43 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 05:20 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-30 13:53 +0000
                  Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
                  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
        Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
      Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000

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#421272 — parallel universe

What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories? 

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#421273

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:00 -0400, tony <tony@hotmail.com>
wrote
in<news:JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?

To get things started, H. Beam Piper’s ‘He Walked Around
the Horses’ and ‘Police Operation’ are from 1948.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421274

In article <9opmjt9y4yfz$.ymk5a47dpzlu$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:00 -0400, tony <tony@hotmail.com>
>wrote
>in<news:JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
>
>To get things started, H. Beam Piper’s ‘He Walked Around
>the Horses’ and ‘Police Operation’ are from 1948.
>
>Brian

"If Lee Had Not Won The Battle Of Gettysburg" -- Winston Churchill 1930
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#421276

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 8:14:26 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <9opmjt9y4yfz$.ymk5a47dpzlu$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:00 -0400, tony <tony@hotmail.com>
> >wrote
> >in<news:JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> in
> >rec.arts.sf.written:
> >
> >> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> >
> >To get things started, H. Beam Piper's 'He Walked Around
> >the Horses' and 'Police Operation' are from 1948.
> >
> >Brian
> 
> "If Lee Had Not Won The Battle Of Gettysburg" -- Winston Churchill 1930

Murray Leinster's "Sidewise In Time," June 1934 ASTOUNDING

H G Wells "A Modern Utopia" 1903, though that is a "duplicate Earth,"
out beyond Sirius.  May not technically qualify.

Kevin R 

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#421321

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 8:14:26 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <9opmjt9y4yfz$.ymk5a47dpzlu$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:00 -0400, tony <tony@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote
>> >in<news:JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> in
>> >rec.arts.sf.written:
>> >
>> >> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
>> >
>> >To get things started, H. Beam Piper's 'He Walked Around
>> >the Horses' and 'Police Operation' are from 1948.
>> >
>> >Brian
>> 
>> "If Lee Had Not Won The Battle Of Gettysburg" -- Winston Churchill 1930
> 
> Murray Leinster's "Sidewise In Time," June 1934 ASTOUNDING
> 
> H G Wells "A Modern Utopia" 1903, though that is a "duplicate Earth,"
> out beyond Sirius.  May not technically qualify.

If it doesn't qualify, then his mention of parallel universes in 1923's 
Men Like Gods might (with gratitude to the techovelgy.com website):  

"... 
We conceive ourselves to be living in a parallel universe to 
yours, on a planet the very brother of your own.
..."  

Tony

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#421367

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:59:56 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 8:14:26 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <9opmjt9y4yfz$.ymk5a47dpzlu$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> >> Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> >> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:00 -0400, tony <tony@hotmail.com>
> >> >wrote
> >> >in<news:JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> in
> >> >rec.arts.sf.written:
> >> >
> >> >> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> >> >
> >> >To get things started, H. Beam Piper's 'He Walked Around
> >> >the Horses' and 'Police Operation' are from 1948.
> >> >
> >> >Brian
> >> 
> >> "If Lee Had Not Won The Battle Of Gettysburg" -- Winston Churchill 1930
> > 
> > Murray Leinster's "Sidewise In Time," June 1934 ASTOUNDING
> > 
> > H G Wells "A Modern Utopia" 1903, though that is a "duplicate Earth,"
> > out beyond Sirius.  May not technically qualify.
> 
> If it doesn't qualify, then his mention of parallel universes in 1923's 
> Men Like Gods might (with gratitude to the techovelgy.com website):  
> 
> "... 
> We conceive ourselves to be living in a parallel universe to 
> yours, on a planet the very brother of your own.
> ..."  

Wells's "The Remarkable Case of Davidson's Eyes" was first published
in 1895, the same year that Rosny's "Un autre monde" appeared. Among
longer works _The Blind Spot_ (1921) is probably best known, in part
because of Damon Knight's (in)famous review.

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#421450

On Friday, 28 August 2015 19:02:39 UTC+1, Ahasuerus  wrote:
> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:59:56 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > H G Wells "A Modern Utopia" 1903, though that is a "duplicate Earth,"
> > > out beyond Sirius.  May not technically qualify.
> > 
> > If it doesn't qualify, then his mention of parallel universes in 1923's 
> > Men Like Gods might (with gratitude to the techovelgy.com website):  
> > 
> > "... 
> > We conceive ourselves to be living in a parallel universe to 
> > yours, on a planet the very brother of your own.
> > ..."  
> 
> Wells's "The Remarkable Case of Davidson's Eyes" was first published
> in 1895, the same year that Rosny's "Un autre monde" appeared. Among
> longer works _The Blind Spot_ (1921) is probably best known, in part
> because of Damon Knight's (in)famous review.

For "Davidson's Eyes", thank you, and, dammit.  ;-) 
Davidson's vision is ba gur bccbfvgr fvqr bs bhe bja 
cynarg - and it stops when he closes his eyes, but
he's annoyingly reluctant to do that.  The setting 
is, naturally, London.  Worst of all - ur trgf onggre.

Actually, I don't mind that, I just expected the opposite
and I thought I remembered it.  On the other hand, the
scarcity of the positive outcome in sci-fi is something 
that a while ago I began to dislike in the genre.  Real 
life is depressing enough...

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#421284

In article <JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
tony <tony@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories? 
>

Well, there's "If Lee Had Lost at Gettysburg," mentioned in
Boucher's _Rocket to the Morgue_ by a Tuckerization of Robert
Heinlein.

The author: Winston Churchill.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#421296

In <ntrrwE.13A7@kithrup.com> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

>In article <JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>tony <tony@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories? 
>>

>Well, there's "If Lee Had Lost at Gettysburg," mentioned in
>Boucher's _Rocket to the Morgue_ by a Tuckerization of Robert
>Heinlein.

>The author: Winston Churchill.

        Is that really a proper parallel universe story?  It's an 
alternate history, yes, but surely the trait that distinguishes an 
alternate history from a parallel universe is the discovery of, and 
possible interaction with, one universe from another.  

-- 
                                                                Joseph Nebus
 Math: Reading the Comics: Name-Dropping Edition        http://wp.me/p1RYhY-Qh
Humor: The Origin Of The Specious                       http://wp.me/p37lb5-Wm
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#421298

On 28/08/2015 05:11, Joseph Nebus wrote:
> In<ntrrwE.13A7@kithrup.com>  djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>> In article<JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> tony<tony@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
>>>
>
>> Well, there's "If Lee Had Lost at Gettysburg," mentioned in
>> Boucher's _Rocket to the Morgue_ by a Tuckerization of Robert
>> Heinlein.
>
>> The author: Winston Churchill.
>
>          Is that really a proper parallel universe story?  It's an
> alternate history, yes, but surely the trait that distinguishes an
> alternate history from a parallel universe is the discovery of, and
> possible interaction with, one universe from another.
>
What interests me in a parallel universe story is the world of that 
universe. Having somebody visit it from our world is a good way to 
describe it, and the differences between that world and our world, but I 
don't consider it essential. I don't consider Jo Walton's "Small Change" 
series lessened by the fact that there is no communication between that 
parallel world and our world.

(I don't consider them must-read, either, but if you are interested in 
dystopias in which Britain is ruled by a clique of right-wing 
aristocratic fascists and the heros would all, in our world, be eligble 
for positive discrimination, they may be right up your street. My Mother 
lived through World War II and a copy of Ha'penny was my answer to her 
question "are there women science fiction writers?". She wasn't appalled 
by grating impossibilities in the world pictured, but didn't find it all 
that great either).

PS I also offered her the loan of my treasured copy of Tiptree's 10,000 
light-years from home, but she wasn't interested in Science Fiction, 
even when written by women, which I have to agree is a correct 
identification of a distinction without a difference.

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#421353

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:26:50 +0100, "A.G.McDowell"
<andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> wrote
in<news:mrorb6$mq6$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

> On 28/08/2015 05:11, Joseph Nebus wrote:
>> In<ntrrwE.13A7@kithrup.com>  djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>
>>> In article<JrOdnfa8LPlVOULInZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> tony<tony@hotmail.com>  wrote:

>>>> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?

>>> Well, there's "If Lee Had Lost at Gettysburg," mentioned in
>>> Boucher's _Rocket to the Morgue_ by a Tuckerization of Robert
>>> Heinlein.

>>> The author: Winston Churchill.

>> Is that really a proper parallel universe story?  It's
>> an alternate history, yes, but surely the trait that
>> distinguishes an alternate history from a parallel
>> universe is the discovery of, and possible interaction
>> with, one universe from another.

I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
story is not at all the same thing as a parallel universe
story.  By definition a parallel universe story must have
at least two universes coexisting within the story.
Preferably they should be part of a larger system (Piper’s
Paratime, Norton’s _Crossroads of Time_ setting, Laumer’s
Imperium setting, Michael McCollum’s Paratime, etc.).
Leinster’s ‘Sidewise in Time’ might actually be the first
of that type.

I’m less likely to use the term in connection with fantasy,
but Zelazny’s Amber setting and Elizabeth Willey’s setting
for _The Well-Favored Man_ qualify.

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421374

"Brian M. Scott"  wrote

>> Is that really a proper parallel universe story?  It's
>> an alternate history, yes, but surely the trait that
>> distinguishes an alternate history from a parallel
>> universe is the discovery of, and possible interaction
>> with, one universe from another.

> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
story is not at all the same thing as a parallel universe
story.  By definition a parallel universe story must have
at least two universes coexisting within the story.
Preferably they should be part of a larger system (Piper’s
Paratime, Norton’s _Crossroads of Time_ setting, Laumer’s
Imperium setting, Michael McCollum’s Paratime, etc.).
Leinster’s ‘Sidewise in Time’ might actually be the first
of that type.

> I’m less likely to use the term in connection with fantasy,
but Zelazny’s Amber setting and Elizabeth Willey’s setting
for _The Well-Favored Man_ qualify.


Murray Leinster's novella being 1935 (Astounding Stories) and in collection 
Sidewise in Time (1950)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?47101


-- 
Mike D 

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#421385

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
<b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

[snip]

>I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
>story is not at all the same thing as a parallel universe
>story.  By definition a parallel universe story must have
>at least two universes coexisting within the story.

     If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice to
write only about that universe to have the story be a parallel
universe story?

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#421390

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:58:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
<genew@telus.net> wrote
in<news:s6m1ua9pgn08fgv2hv6vq0prhr5uovvdml@4ax.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
> <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

> [snip]

>> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
>> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
>> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
>> story must have at least two universes coexisting
>> within the story.

> If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
> to write only about that universe to have the story be a
> parallel universe story?

If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
simply an alternative universe.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421436

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:50 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
<b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:58:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
><genew@telus.net> wrote
>in<news:s6m1ua9pgn08fgv2hv6vq0prhr5uovvdml@4ax.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
>> <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>
>>> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
>>> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
>>> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
>>> story must have at least two universes coexisting
>>> within the story.
>
>> If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
>> to write only about that universe to have the story be a
>> parallel universe story?
>
>If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
>evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
>simply an alternative universe.

     A reader could draw the parallels.  "Hey, this is just like home
except for the change in _____ and the developments after.  I wonder
why it did not happen that way here."

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#421477

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:29:22 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
<genew@telus.net> wrote
in<news:u5k2ua96521tt4h6s0e0bl8s0d2k6n1hr9@4ax.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:50 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
> <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>>On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:58:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
>><genew@telus.net> wrote
>>in<news:s6m1ua9pgn08fgv2hv6vq0prhr5uovvdml@4ax.com> in
>>rec.arts.sf.written:

>>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
>>> <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>>> [snip]

>>>> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
>>>> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
>>>> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
>>>> story must have at least two universes coexisting
>>>> within the story.

>>> If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
>>> to write only about that universe to have the story be a
>>> parallel universe story?

>> If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
>> evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
>> simply an alternative universe.

> A reader could draw the parallels.  "Hey, this is just
> like home except for the change in _____ and the
> developments after.  I wonder why it did not happen that
> way here."

You’re talking about an alternate history.  Moreover, that
is *not* the meaning of ‘parallel’ in ‘parallel worlds’:
parallel worlds are worlds that exist in parallel -- side
by side.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421630

In article <u5k2ua96521tt4h6s0e0bl8s0d2k6n1hr9@4ax.com>,
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> said:

> "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote
>>> <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
>>>> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
>>>> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
>>>> story must have at least two universes coexisting
>>>> within the story.
>>
>>> If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
>>> to write only about that universe to have the story be a
>>> parallel universe story?
>>
>> If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
>> evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
>> simply an alternative universe.
>
> A reader could draw the parallels.  "Hey, this is just like home
> except for the change in _____ and the developments after.  I wonder
> why it did not happen that way here."

I'm with Brian.  A line can't be parallel when it's the only line on
the paper.

-- wds

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#424719

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 12:29:27 AM UTC-6, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

>      A reader could draw the parallels.  "Hey, this is just like home
> except for the change in _____ and the developments after.  I wonder
> why it did not happen that way here."

As much is true of _any_ alternate history story, though, so that point doesn't 
make a case for two distinct genres existing.

John Savard

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#421448

On Friday, 28 August 2015 23:11:41 UTC+1, Brian M. Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:58:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
> <genew@telus.net> wrote
> in<news:s6m1ua9pgn08fgv2hv6vq0prhr5uovvdml@4ax.com> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
> 
> > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> 
> >> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
> >> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
> >> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
> >> story must have at least two universes coexisting
> >> within the story.
> 
> > If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
> > to write only about that universe to have the story be a
> > parallel universe story?
> 
> If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
> evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
> simply an alternative universe.

On reflection, I think the useful category is
"parallel UNIVERSES story".  More than one.

Otherwise, the story in which Victorian England
was invaded by Germans - or by Martians - accidentally
becomes a "parallel world" just because it describes
past events that didn't actually happen.

Or perhaps loosen it to "parallel worlds", and allow
all those Star Trek planets.  Or, allow some of them;
the Nazis and the gangsters were actually alien
societies that got rearranged by Earth influence.
I was intentionally cheating by bringing those up.
"The Alternative Factor" is the one where Lazarus
is both a visitor from the anti-matter universe
and - spoiler - his counterpart in the positive
universe.  And one of them was crazy but I'm not
sure which...

For that matter, I think that another "universe" 
that is physically congruent to ours but not /like/ 
ours - Narnia for instance - like the old wallpaper
that you papered over with the new - isn't the same 
thing.  "Parallel universe" really means parallel 
development, or, rather, similar and dissimilar
development from an identical origin.

On the other hand, a "parallel Earth" like the 
Star Trek ones, elsewhere in space - which admittedly
demands a lot of justification - lets you go there
and fight Roman Legions or Nazis, and that'a all
that you want really, isn't it?

So perhaps let the Star Trek ones back in after all...

Also, Bizarro World, and, the planet that /looks/ 
like the Earth but is actually a duplicate made 
so that the alien army can test their invasion
tactics, or their android impersonators.

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#421632

In article <08f5acfa-19be-489b-abd4-d8a93ba79e69@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> said:

> On the other hand, a "parallel Earth" like the
> Star Trek ones, elsewhere in space - which admittedly
> demands a lot of justification - lets you go there
> and fight Roman Legions or Nazis, and that'a all
> that you want really, isn't it?

I suspect that what most of the audience wanted was:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x25/Bread_and_Circuses_215.JPG

Except for the car perverts, of course:

http://images.fieroforum.com/2012/Brmz1O4.jpg

(And yes, I'm aware that that never actually happened in the episode itself.)

P.S.: Completely out of context, I just love this slide:

http://www.milkandcookiesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ST-Patterns-of-Force.jpg

> Also, Bizarro World, and, the planet that /looks/
> like the Earth but is actually a duplicate made
> so that the alien army can test their invasion
> tactics, or their android impersonators.

I think you've got that backwards, which of course is incredibly
appropriate since on Bizarro World is everything is the opposite
of Earth (for 1960s comic-book values of 'everything' anyway).

-- wds

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