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| Started by | Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-10-14 08:48 -0700 |
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The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 08:48 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 09:17 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2021-10-14 10:10 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 10:59 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 09:33 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 10:25 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-15 22:51 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> - 2021-10-16 09:13 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-16 18:01 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> - 2021-10-16 11:56 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> - 2021-10-17 09:26 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-18 09:26 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-18 16:30 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-18 11:45 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 20:21 -0400
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-18 10:06 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> - 2021-10-20 14:47 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 14:57 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-20 17:10 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 04:44 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-20 22:05 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 08:12 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-21 08:55 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 09:00 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 13:38 -0400
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 13:44 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 13:10 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-21 21:55 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-22 13:50 -0600
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2021-10-21 12:52 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-21 21:50 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> - 2021-10-20 13:56 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 14:29 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-16 18:02 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> - 2021-10-16 09:05 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2021-10-17 07:48 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> - 2021-10-17 09:27 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-14 18:44 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 13:10 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-15 00:32 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 07:02 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 08:34 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-15 22:41 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 10:36 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> - 2021-10-14 13:40 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-14 16:29 -0600
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2021-10-15 08:54 -0600
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-14 17:07 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 08:34 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2021-10-15 22:45 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2021-10-16 18:01 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 09:43 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-15 17:57 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-17 00:11 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-17 18:03 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2021-10-15 15:29 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2021-10-15 18:52 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 15:16 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2021-10-15 23:38 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 19:32 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 18:15 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2021-10-16 02:27 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jonathan <Mail.instead@gmail.com> - 2021-10-17 13:53 -0400
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2021-10-15 18:23 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-17 00:14 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 18:16 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 21:03 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2021-10-16 02:31 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 22:03 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2021-10-16 14:06 +1100
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 23:21 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2021-10-16 08:40 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2021-10-19 13:38 +1100
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-18 22:12 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-19 03:17 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> - 2021-10-18 21:18 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-19 04:31 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 03:42 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-10-16 04:25 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> - 2021-10-16 18:46 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 23:26 -0500
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-15 22:45 -0600
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Don <g@crcomp.net> - 2021-10-16 14:43 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2021-10-16 18:22 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> - 2021-10-16 20:31 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Lafe <lafe@lafes.invalid> - 2021-10-18 01:02 +0000
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2021-10-16 22:00 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2021-10-16 22:14 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-17 02:07 -0400
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-17 00:23 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2021-10-17 15:49 +0100
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-17 00:42 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-10-17 00:12 -0700
Re: The Most Influential Sci-Fi Books Of All Time Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2021-10-17 05:44 -0700
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-15 23:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <skdka4$t2b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #578734 |
On 10/15/2021 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 10/14/2021 10:48 AM, Tony Nance wrote: >> I just ran across this article about an hour ago - it was published >> two days ago: >> https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/ >> >> I’ve added the full list below for those who don’t want to click/scroll. >> >> It’s strictly science fiction - so, for example, no Tolkien, or Stoker. >> >> To me, it’s a pretty well-considered and thorough list, especially >> through >> the 1970s. There seems to be some recency bias and/or maybe some >> nods to emerging/micro-genres. >> >> On first blush, I’d say the only significant omissions are Doc Smith >> (surely) and CL Moore (probably). Whether you’d cite Skylark or >> Lensman, I think both were highly influential. Moore (with & without >> Kuttner) had a wide range of influential stuff too, of course. >> >> I also appreciated the inclusion of the various collections & serials, >> giving a nod both to how influential the authors/works were and to >> how influential short/serialized fiction was and is. >> >> Full list below, >> Tony >> ——————————————————————————— >> Again: >> https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/ >> The webpage has a 3-4 sentence description of each member of the list, >> including why it’s on the list. The items with a range of years are >> either >> collections and/or the original material was originally serialized. >> >> Frankenstein - Mary Shelley (1818) >> Blake, or The Huts of America - Martin R. Delany (1859 - 1862) >> Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea - Jules Verne (1869) >> The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson >> (1886) >> The Time Machine - H.G. Wells (1895) >> Of One Blood, or the Hidden Self - Pauline Hopkins (1902-1903) >> A Princess of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs (1912) >> We - Yevgeny Zamyatin (1924) >> Metropolis - Thea von Harbou (1925) >> Brave New World - Aldous Huxley (1932) >> The Collected Stories of Arthur C. Clarke (1937-1999) >> The Complete Robot - Isaac Asimov (1939-1977) >> Shadow Over Mars (aka Nemesis from Terra) - Leigh Brackett (1944) >> 1984 - George Orwell (1949) >> Astro Boy - Osamu Tezuka (1952-1968) >> Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury (1953) >> Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein (1959) >> A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. Miller (1959) >> A Wrinkle in Time - Madeleine L’Engle (1962) >> Dune - Frank Herbert (1965) >> Babel-17 - Samuel R. Delany (1966) >> Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? - Philip K. Dick (1968) >> The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. Le Guin (1969) >> Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut (1969) >> Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang - Kate Wilhelm (1976) >> The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1979-1992) >> Daughters of a Coral Dawn - Katherine V. Forrest (1984) >> Psion - Joan D. Vinge (1982) >> Vampire Hunter D - Hideyuki Kikuchi (1983 - present) >> Akira - Katsuhiro Otomo (1982-1990) >> Neuromancer - William Gibson (1984) >> The Handmaid’s Tale - Margaret Atwood (1985) >> Watchmen - Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons (1986-1987) >> Lilith’s Brood - Octavia E. Butler (1987-1989) >> Ghost in the Shell: Deluxe Complete Box Set - Masamune Shriow (1989-1997) >> Jurassic Park - Michael Crichton (1990) >> Ring - Koji Suzuki (1991) >> Pretty Guardian Sailor moon - Naoko Takeuchi (1991-1997) >> The Thrawn Trilogy - Timothy Zahn (1991-1993) >> Ammonite - Nicola Griffith (1992) >> The Children of Men - PD James (1992) >> Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson (1992) >> Doomsday Book - Connie Willis (1992) >> Uzumaki - Junji Ito (1998-1999) >> A Civil Campaign - Lois McMaster Bujold (1999) >> Battle Royale - Koushun Takami (1999) >> Midnight Robber - Nalo Hopkinson (2000) >> Dark Matter: A Centruy of Speculative Fiction from the African >> Diaspora - ed. by Sheree Renee Thomas (2000) >> The Three-Body Problem - Cixin Liu (2008) >> Leviathan Wakes - James S.A. Corey (2011) >> Cinder - Marissa Meyer (2012) >> The Imperial Radch Trilogy - Ann Leckie (2013-2016) >> Station Eleven - Emily St. John Mandel (2014) >> Area X: The Southern Reach Trilogy - Jeff Vandermeer (2014) >> >> From here, the article’s author predicts some works from 2015 & later >> that may well become influential. I didn’t add those works here. > > The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or > John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind. And the single Heinlein book mentioned is not one of his three best, "The Star Beast", "Citizen Of The Galaxy", and "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress". Lynn
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-15 22:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <skdlco$1vk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #578759 |
On 2021-10-15 10:26 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 10/15/2021 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> On 10/14/2021 10:48 AM, Tony Nance wrote: >>> I just ran across this article about an hour ago - it was published >>> two days ago: >>> https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/ >>> >>> I’ve added the full list below for those who don’t want to click/scroll. >>> >>> It’s strictly science fiction - so, for example, no Tolkien, or Stoker. >>> >>> To me, it’s a pretty well-considered and thorough list, especially >>> through >>> the 1970s. There seems to be some recency bias and/or maybe some >>> nods to emerging/micro-genres. >>> >>> On first blush, I’d say the only significant omissions are Doc Smith >>> (surely) and CL Moore (probably). Whether you’d cite Skylark or >>> Lensman, I think both were highly influential. Moore (with & without >>> Kuttner) had a wide range of influential stuff too, of course. >>> >>> I also appreciated the inclusion of the various collections & serials, >>> giving a nod both to how influential the authors/works were and to >>> how influential short/serialized fiction was and is. >>> >>> Full list below, >>> Tony >>> ——————————————————————————— >>> Again: >>> https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/ >>> The webpage has a 3-4 sentence description of each member of the list, >>> including why it’s on the list. The items with a range of years are >>> either >>> collections and/or the original material was originally serialized. >>> >>> Frankenstein - Mary Shelley (1818) >>> Blake, or The Huts of America - Martin R. Delany (1859 - 1862) >>> Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea - Jules Verne (1869) >>> The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson >>> (1886) >>> The Time Machine - H.G. Wells (1895) >>> Of One Blood, or the Hidden Self - Pauline Hopkins (1902-1903) >>> A Princess of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs (1912) >>> We - Yevgeny Zamyatin (1924) >>> Metropolis - Thea von Harbou (1925) >>> Brave New World - Aldous Huxley (1932) >>> The Collected Stories of Arthur C. Clarke (1937-1999) >>> The Complete Robot - Isaac Asimov (1939-1977) >>> Shadow Over Mars (aka Nemesis from Terra) - Leigh Brackett (1944) >>> 1984 - George Orwell (1949) >>> Astro Boy - Osamu Tezuka (1952-1968) >>> Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury (1953) >>> Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein (1959) >>> A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. Miller (1959) >>> A Wrinkle in Time - Madeleine L’Engle (1962) >>> Dune - Frank Herbert (1965) >>> Babel-17 - Samuel R. Delany (1966) >>> Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? - Philip K. Dick (1968) >>> The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. Le Guin (1969) >>> Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut (1969) >>> Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang - Kate Wilhelm (1976) >>> The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1979-1992) >>> Daughters of a Coral Dawn - Katherine V. Forrest (1984) >>> Psion - Joan D. Vinge (1982) >>> Vampire Hunter D - Hideyuki Kikuchi (1983 - present) >>> Akira - Katsuhiro Otomo (1982-1990) >>> Neuromancer - William Gibson (1984) >>> The Handmaid’s Tale - Margaret Atwood (1985) >>> Watchmen - Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons (1986-1987) >>> Lilith’s Brood - Octavia E. Butler (1987-1989) >>> Ghost in the Shell: Deluxe Complete Box Set - Masamune Shriow >>> (1989-1997) >>> Jurassic Park - Michael Crichton (1990) >>> Ring - Koji Suzuki (1991) >>> Pretty Guardian Sailor moon - Naoko Takeuchi (1991-1997) >>> The Thrawn Trilogy - Timothy Zahn (1991-1993) >>> Ammonite - Nicola Griffith (1992) >>> The Children of Men - PD James (1992) >>> Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson (1992) >>> Doomsday Book - Connie Willis (1992) >>> Uzumaki - Junji Ito (1998-1999) >>> A Civil Campaign - Lois McMaster Bujold (1999) >>> Battle Royale - Koushun Takami (1999) >>> Midnight Robber - Nalo Hopkinson (2000) >>> Dark Matter: A Centruy of Speculative Fiction from the African >>> Diaspora - ed. by Sheree Renee Thomas (2000) >>> The Three-Body Problem - Cixin Liu (2008) >>> Leviathan Wakes - James S.A. Corey (2011) >>> Cinder - Marissa Meyer (2012) >>> The Imperial Radch Trilogy - Ann Leckie (2013-2016) >>> Station Eleven - Emily St. John Mandel (2014) >>> Area X: The Southern Reach Trilogy - Jeff Vandermeer (2014) >>> >>> From here, the article’s author predicts some works from 2015 & later >>> that may well become influential. I didn’t add those works here. >> >> The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or >> John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind. > > And the single Heinlein book mentioned is not one of his three best, > "The Star Beast", "Citizen Of The Galaxy", and "The Moon Is A Harsh > Mistress". > > Lynn > Starship Troopers does have the biggest modern day fandom though.
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| From | Don <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-16 14:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20211016a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #578734 |
Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Tony Nance wrote:
>> I just ran across this article about an hour ago - it was published
>> two days ago:
>> https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/
<snip>
> The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or
> John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind.
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two
billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named
Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's
transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star
Wars' Death Star.
George Lucas supposedly said the American translation of PR was an
"inspiration, less strong than Flash Gordon, but it influenced the
design of many starships of Star Wars." Unfortunately the translated
Lucas quote seems absent from the two sources typically cited: [1][2]
The above situation brings to mind the time a friend of mine
mentioned how a set of data was treated as gospel in medical journals
for decades. Until someone actually replicated the original experiment
and ended up with different data.
It surprises me to learn Robin Cook belongs to a rarefied club of
authors with nearly 400 million books sold. Steven King's in the club,
as well is James Patterson (who's relatively unknown to me).
Robin Cook grinds an axe with his fiction. He writes to influence
others.
His faintly fictional first novel, _The Year of the Intern_, bombed.
So he upped his game. He brilliantly reverse engineered a formula out of
_Jaws_, _Love Story_, and other best sellers, then used it to create his
own best seller, his first of many: _Coma_.
What a shock: Robin Cook fuses stem cells with a suspenseful tale
Robin Cook's latest medical thriller may seem like yet
another example of the author's uncanny ability to anticipate
national controversy, in this case the uproar over federal
funding for embryonic stem cell research. After all, the
Harvard-trained medical doctor-turned-novelist has been
writing well ahead of the public-debate curve since his
breakout novel, Coma, nearly 25 years ago. ...
Cook admits the timing of Shock was fortuitous. "I
suppose you could say that it's the most like Coma in that
it deals with an issue that everybody seems to be concerned
about," he says. "I wrote this book to address the stem cell
issue, which the public really doesn't know anything about.
Besides entertaining readers, my main goal is to get people
interested in some of these issues, because it's the public
that ultimately really should decide which way we ought to
go in something as ethically questioning as stem cell
research." ...
And after 23 books, he has come up with a diagnosis to
explain why his medical thrillers remain so popular.
"The main reason is, we all realize we're at risk. We're
all going to be patients at some time," he says. "You can
write about great white sharks or haunted houses, and you
can say I'm not going in the ocean or I'm not going in
haunted houses, but you can't say you're not going to go in
a hospital." [3]
Formulas fascinate me. One of these days its my intention to reverse
engineer Levinson and Link's formula out of the first half dozen seasons
of _Colombo_.
The checklist enumerated in "Is it possible to write a best-selling
novel simply by following a formula?" [4] contains a lot of elements
found in the typical Cook:
1. The hero is an expert.
2. The villain is an expert.
3. You must watch all of the villainy over the shoulder of
the villain.
4. The hero has a team of experts in various fields behind
him, etc.
5. Two or more on the team must fall in love.
6. Two or more on the team must die.
7. The villain must turn his attentions from his initial goal
to the team.
8. The villain and the hero must live to do battle again in
the sequel.
9. All deaths must proceed from the individual to the group:
i.e., never say that the bomb exploded and 15,000 people
were killed. Start with "Jamie and Suzy were walking in
the park with their grandmother when the earth opened up."
10. If you get bogged down, just kill somebody.
Then there's Lester Dent's formula. [5]
"There are three rules for writing the novel. Unfortunately, no
one knows what they are." - W. Somerset Maugham
Note.
[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=cKLlUnyG4IQC&pg=PA342
[2] https://www.handelsblatt.com/panorama/aus-aller-welt/science-fiction-serie-aus-rastatt-soll-verfilmt-werden-perry-rhodan-fordert-darth-vader-zum-duell-seite-2/2504942-2.html
[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20071016063803/http://www.bookpage.com/0109bp/robin_cook.html
[4] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-write-a-bestseller-formula_b_1542587
[5] https://steegerbooks.com/lester-dent-and-the-master-fiction-plot/
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| From | Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> |
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| Date | 2021-10-16 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> |
| In reply to | #578774 |
On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And > _Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two > billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named > Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's > transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star > Wars' Death Star. I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero. And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent reinvention.) _The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission to the 19th century. I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of magic technology in PR.) The influence of PR on _German_ SF is another matter. That article about the problems of translating PR into English... https://nedludssocks.blogspot.com/2013/04/english-translations-of-perry-rhodan.html ... made me wonder to which degree PR has actually shaped German SF vocabulary. There were of course some attempts in Germany to duplicate the success of PR, with _Ren Dhark_ (1966-69) being the most successful at 98 installments. And _Die Terranauten_ (1979-81, 99 installments plus some paperback sequels) was explicitly created as an "anti-Perry Rhodan story". > George Lucas supposedly said the American translation of PR was an > "inspiration, less strong than Flash Gordon, but it influenced the > design of many starships of Star Wars." Unfortunately the translated > Lucas quote seems absent from the two sources typically cited: [1][2] > The above situation brings to mind the time a friend of mine > mentioned how a set of data was treated as gospel in medical journals > for decades. There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias, text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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| From | smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-10-16 20:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <skfcqv$ovq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #578798 |
In <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes:
>There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody
>noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias,
>text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a
>transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread
>through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*.
This is related to the phenomenon of citogenesis, as explained by xkcd:
https://xkcd.com/978/
xkcd has something relevant to say about almost anything. :-)
- Steven
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| From | Lafe <lafe@lafes.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-18 01:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <skih39$l7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #578816 |
smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote in news:skfcqv$ovq$1@dont-email.me: > In <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> > Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes: > >>There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody >>noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias, >>text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a >>transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread >>through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*. > > This is related to the phenomenon of citogenesis, as explained by xkcd: > > https://xkcd.com/978/ > > xkcd has something relevant to say about almost anything. :-) > > - Steven I enjoyed this comic, and then I jumped to today's (https://xkcd.com/2529/) and between the two had a nice belly laugh like I haven't had in a while. Cheers! Lafe
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| From | Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-16 22:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <robertaw-78CA28.22003116102021@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #578798 |
In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote: > On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > > > Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And > > _Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two > > billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named > > Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's > > transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star > > Wars' Death Star. > > I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero. > And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's > all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent > reinvention.) > > _The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission > to the 19th century. > > I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the > logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around > for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of > magic technology in PR.) The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of Valeron_ was also spherical. -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-16 22:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <skgbfg$ma5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #578843 |
On 10/16/2021 10:00 PM, Robert Woodward wrote: > In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>, > Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote: > >> On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >> >>> Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And >>> _Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two >>> billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named >>> Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star >>> Wars' Death Star. >> >> I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero. >> And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's >> all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent >> reinvention.) >> >> _The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission >> to the 19th century. >> >> I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the >> logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around >> for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of >> magic technology in PR.) > > The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well > as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were > spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of > Valeron_ was also spherical. > IIRC spheres give the most volume with the least surface area. -- I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky dirty old man.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 02:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oadnmgh4vtqqgiqlbjj2m5gsplct0ge3do@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #578845 |
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 22:14:28 -0700, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >On 10/16/2021 10:00 PM, Robert Woodward wrote: >> In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>, >> Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote: >> >>> On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And >>>> _Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two >>>> billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named >>>> Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star >>>> Wars' Death Star. >>> >>> I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero. >>> And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's >>> all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent >>> reinvention.) >>> >>> _The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission >>> to the 19th century. >>> >>> I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the >>> logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around >>> for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of >>> magic technology in PR.) >> >> The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well >> as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were >> spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of >> Valeron_ was also spherical. >> >IIRC spheres give the most volume with the least surface area. Cavor's space ship in Wells' 1901 "The First Men in the Moon" is spherical. The Chapter 3 title is "The Building of the Sphere". I'm fairly sure that some of Doc Smith's space ships were spherical. With regard to teleportation, google "Kefitzat Haderech", which I believe predates Christianity. There's also Wagner's Tarnhelm. If you need something explicitly science-fictional try "The Man Without a Body" from 1877. Or Clarke's first published story, "Travel by Wire!" from 1937. Or for something well known that predates Perry Rhodan, try Heinlein's 1955 "Tunnel in the Sky". It also appeared in several movies starting in 1939, including the 1953 Merrie Melodies "Duck Dodgers", and 1958's "The Fly".
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 00:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <709c7c83-6178-4d50-94d8-26f3bd1d0fe0n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #578850 |
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote: > With regard to teleportation, google "Kefitzat Haderech", which I > believe predates Christianity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefitzat_Haderech Oh, my. I had no idea that Kwisatz Haderach was anything more than a nonsense SF name that Frank Herbert made up. Although it having an actual Hebrew source doesn't surprise me _too_ much. John Savard
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| From | Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 15:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2idomghmejh2orevea137i4d2l4kc11boc@jwbrown.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #578850 |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:07:18 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 22:14:28 -0700, Dimensional Traveler ><dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > >>On 10/16/2021 10:00 PM, Robert Woodward wrote: >>> In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>, >>> Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And >>>>> _Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two >>>>> billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named >>>>> Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>>>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star >>>>> Wars' Death Star. >>>> >>>> I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero. >>>> And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's >>>> all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent >>>> reinvention.) >>>> >>>> _The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission >>>> to the 19th century. >>>> >>>> I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the >>>> logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around >>>> for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of >>>> magic technology in PR.) >>> >>> The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well >>> as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were >>> spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of >>> Valeron_ was also spherical. >>> >>IIRC spheres give the most volume with the least surface area. > >Cavor's space ship in Wells' 1901 "The First Men in the Moon" is >spherical. The Chapter 3 title is "The Building of the Sphere". I'm >fairly sure that some of Doc Smith's space ships were spherical. > >With regard to teleportation, google "Kefitzat Haderech", which I >believe predates Christianity. There's also Wagner's Tarnhelm. If >you need something explicitly science-fictional try "The Man Without a >Body" from 1877. Or Clarke's first published story, "Travel by Wire!" >from 1937. Or for something well known that predates Perry Rhodan, >try Heinlein's 1955 "Tunnel in the Sky". It also appeared in several >movies starting in 1939, including the 1953 Merrie Melodies >"Duck Dodgers" which was a direct reference to the telepods in the original "Buck Rogers": <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD7F0aHCALE&t=12m43s>. >, and 1958's "The Fly". -- Jerry Brown A cat may look at a king (but probably won't bother)
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 00:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <03cee401-c9a3-442f-bb9f-fd40cbf2b316n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #578798 |
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:30:08 PM UTC-6, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody > noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias, > text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a > transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread > through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*. I looked that up; it turned out that the influential typo was in the 1932 edition of Knaurs Lexikon. John Savard
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 00:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2b22ddcd-13e6-49ee-a373-94f8d052d306n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #578734 |
On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 2:16:15 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote: > The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or > John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind. Interesting. If it _had_, it would have made the list suspect to my mind. Not that it isn't suspect anyways for other reasons - such as categorizing books as among the "most influential" which in fact languished in total obscurity prior to the publication of that list, as far as I know. John Savard
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-17 05:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9428ceb1-2829-402b-ac79-a01d4c36c628n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #578855 |
On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 08:13:01 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote: > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 2:16:15 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote: > > > The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or > > John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind. > Interesting. If it _had_, it would have made the list suspect to my mind. > Not that it isn't suspect anyways for other reasons - such as categorizing > books as among the "most influential" which in fact languished in total > obscurity prior to the publication of that list, as far as I know. A text can be influential for a while, and then lapse. I see that you mentioned "The Communist Manifesto".
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