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  YASID David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-19 13:24 -0600
    Re: YASID Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-19 15:41 -0700
      Re: YASID Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-19 15:50 -0700
        Re: YASID D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-20 02:05 +0000
          Re: YASID Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 22:10 -0500
            Re: YASID D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-20 04:07 +0000
              Re: YASID Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:39 -0700
                Re: YASID Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-20 13:11 -0700
              Re: YASID David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 00:42 -0500
                Re: YASID D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-21 14:30 +0000
                  Re: YASID Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-21 15:19 -0700
                    Re: YASID Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-04-22 13:48 +0000

#490705 — YASID

A fantasy novel containing a book of prophecy that tells the reader of 
the future but deprives them of the ability to communicate.

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#490728

On Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:25:04 UTC+1, David Johnston  wrote:
> A fantasy novel containing a book of prophecy that tells the reader of 
> the future but deprives them of the ability to communicate.

I'm thinking of Cassandra of Troy.  I'm also thinking of
_The Name of the Rose_......  technically it qualifies!

A book of witchcraft which you physically can't stop reading
was mentioned by J. K. Rowling, I wonder where she got that
idea from  :-)

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#490729

...and I think Carl Sagan mentioned in an essay - either 
"Broca's Brain" or in that or another collection - having 
a dream of flipping through  history book, finding that 
its illustrations ran up to the present and then beyond -
but he couldn't read the text.  He said that you can't 
read in dreams.  Although I think I've read very bad 
versions in dreams of some books I was halfway through 
reading while awake.

Then there was an incident in _Futurama_ show-within-the-show
"The Scary Door", which wasn't original?

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#490744

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> ...and I think Carl Sagan mentioned in an essay - either
> "Broca's Brain" or in that or another collection - having
> a dream of flipping through  history book, finding that
> its illustrations ran up to the present and then beyond -
> but he couldn't read the text.  He said that you can't
> read in dreams.  Although I think I've read very bad
> versions in dreams of some books I was halfway through
> reading while awake.
>
> Then there was an incident in _Futurama_ show-within-the-show
> "The Scary Door", which wasn't original?

_Broca's Brain_ contains a section named "Astral Projection." In that
section Sagan proposes an experiment whereby a subject enters an
astral projection state and goes to a bookshelf to read the title of a
book, which was previously unknown to the subject.
    A few pages later Sagan segues to "Precognitive Dreams." He talks
about his one failed precognitive dream, which sounds more like a panic
attack. He talks about his panic attack for a page, then he moves on to
hoaxes, none of which are pertinent to panic attacks nor precognitive
dreams.
    A few of my dreams featured astral projection, which became apparent
to me only after-the-fact. A few of my dreams were lucid, which was
known to me at the time of the dream. No dream of mine was ever a lucid
astral projection, the sort of dream that Sagan wants.
    A few of my dreams were precognitive in a general sense. Unbeknownst
to me at the time of my dream and for years afterward, Columbia
University's Low Library appeared in a couple of my dreams. Its interior
had so many rooms filled with so many books that it was impossible for
me to navigate all of the way through it.
    Some time ago a sweet old great-grandmotherly church lady was
mentioned by me in rasw. This particular church lady's guilty (or maybe
not so guilty) pleasure is reading gruesome murder fiction. The
bloodier, the better.
    It turns out that one of her grandchildren graduated from Harvard
and another graduated from Barnard in NYC. She said her granddaughter
loved NYC. Barnard meant absolutely nothing to me until the church lady
talked about it. Curiosity got the better of me and some Inet research
revealed that it's the sister campus of Columbia University.
    Bear in mind, neither Columbia nor Barnard, was ever seen by me in
real life. My Inet quest leads me to believe that you can view Low
Library from the front of Barnard. Regardless, that's the vista that was
in my dream, without me ever experiencing it in real life, until church
lady piqued my interest enough to view it online. FWIW.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#490747

D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20180419a@crcomp.net:

> 
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> ...and I think Carl Sagan mentioned in an essay - either
>> "Broca's Brain" or in that or another collection - having
>> a dream of flipping through  history book, finding that
>> its illustrations ran up to the present and then beyond -
>> but he couldn't read the text.  He said that you can't
>> read in dreams.  Although I think I've read very bad
>> versions in dreams of some books I was halfway through
>> reading while awake.
>>
>> Then there was an incident in _Futurama_ show-within-the-show
>> "The Scary Door", which wasn't original?
> 
> _Broca's Brain_ contains a section named "Astral Projection." In that
> section Sagan proposes an experiment whereby a subject enters an
> astral projection state and goes to a bookshelf to read the title of a
> book, which was previously unknown to the subject.
>     A few pages later Sagan segues to "Precognitive Dreams." He talks
> about his one failed precognitive dream, which sounds more like a
> panic attack. He talks about his panic attack for a page, then he
> moves on to hoaxes, none of which are pertinent to panic attacks nor
> precognitive dreams.
>     A few of my dreams featured astral projection, which became
>     apparent 
> to me only after-the-fact. A few of my dreams were lucid, which was
> known to me at the time of the dream. No dream of mine was ever a
> lucid astral projection, the sort of dream that Sagan wants.
>     A few of my dreams were precognitive in a general sense.
>     Unbeknownst 
> to me at the time of my dream and for years afterward, Columbia
> University's Low Library appeared in a couple of my dreams. Its
> interior had so many rooms filled with so many books that it was
> impossible for me to navigate all of the way through it.

I don't when you had your dream, but Low Library hasn't held books since
the 1930s. They're all on the other side of the quad, in Butler Library.

Since the 60's Low has been used for administrative offices.

(I used to work for CU).

pt

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#490754

Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20180419a@crcomp.net:

<snip>

>>     A few of my dreams were precognitive in a general sense. Unbeknownst
>> to me at the time of my dream and for years afterward, Columbia
>> University's Low Library appeared in a couple of my dreams. Its interior
>> had so many rooms filled with so many books that it was impossible for
>> me to navigate all of the way through it.

<snip>

>>     Bear in mind, neither Columbia nor Barnard, was ever seen by me in
>> real life. My Inet quest leads me to believe that you can view Low
>> Library from the front of Barnard. Regardless, that's the vista that was
>> in my dream, without me ever experiencing it in real life, until church
>> lady piqued my interest enough to view it online. FWIW.

>
> I don't when you had your dream, but Low Library hasn't held books since
> the 1930s. They're all on the other side of the quad, in Butler Library.
>
> Since the 60's Low has been used for administrative offices.
>
> (I used to work for CU).

My dream took place around the year 2000. Perhaps it was a time travel
dream. The people in it seemed sartorially splendid, with no denim in
sight.
    This thread just gave me deja vue. (J Clarke's followup about metal
polish on a silver plate bomber in a museum also gave me deja vue a
while ago, but a search of my private usenet archive turned up nothing.)
    Anyhow, the suspense is killing me. Do you see Low Library from the
entrance to Barnard's campus?

Thank you,

--
Don

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#490770

On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 12:07:05 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
> Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20180419a@crcomp.net:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >>     A few of my dreams were precognitive in a general sense. Unbeknownst
> >> to me at the time of my dream and for years afterward, Columbia
> >> University's Low Library appeared in a couple of my dreams. Its interior
> >> had so many rooms filled with so many books that it was impossible for
> >> me to navigate all of the way through it.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >>     Bear in mind, neither Columbia nor Barnard, was ever seen by me in
> >> real life. My Inet quest leads me to believe that you can view Low
> >> Library from the front of Barnard. Regardless, that's the vista that was
> >> in my dream, without me ever experiencing it in real life, until church
> >> lady piqued my interest enough to view it online. FWIW.
> 
> >
> > I don't when you had your dream, but Low Library hasn't held books since
> > the 1930s. They're all on the other side of the quad, in Butler Library.
> >
> > Since the 60's Low has been used for administrative offices.
> >
> > (I used to work for CU).
> 
> My dream took place around the year 2000. Perhaps it was a time travel
> dream. The people in it seemed sartorially splendid, with no denim in
> sight.
>     This thread just gave me deja vue. (J Clarke's followup about metal
> polish on a silver plate bomber in a museum also gave me deja vue a
> while ago, but a search of my private usenet archive turned up nothing.)
>     Anyhow, the suspense is killing me. Do you see Low Library from the
> entrance to Barnard's campus?

Not really. Barnard is on the west side of Broadway, Columbia on the east 
side. The CU side is an almost continuous wall of large university 
buildings, with a few gates and staircases onto the street between them. 
Low is more or less in the center of the block, behind all the buildings. 
There is a gap that could let you see Low from Broadway, but it's blocked 
by the college chapel.

pt

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#490777

On Friday, 20 April 2018 18:39:55 UTC+1, Peter Trei  wrote:
> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 12:07:05 AM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
> > Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20180419a@crcomp.net:
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > >>     A few of my dreams were precognitive in a general sense. Unbeknownst
> > >> to me at the time of my dream and for years afterward, Columbia
> > >> University's Low Library appeared in a couple of my dreams. Its interior
> > >> had so many rooms filled with so many books that it was impossible for
> > >> me to navigate all of the way through it.
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > >>     Bear in mind, neither Columbia nor Barnard, was ever seen by me in
> > >> real life. My Inet quest leads me to believe that you can view Low
> > >> Library from the front of Barnard. Regardless, that's the vista that was
> > >> in my dream, without me ever experiencing it in real life, until church
> > >> lady piqued my interest enough to view it online. FWIW.
> > 
> > >
> > > I don't when you had your dream, but Low Library hasn't held books since
> > > the 1930s. They're all on the other side of the quad, in Butler Library.
> > >
> > > Since the 60's Low has been used for administrative offices.
> > >
> > > (I used to work for CU).
> > 
> > My dream took place around the year 2000. Perhaps it was a time travel
> > dream. The people in it seemed sartorially splendid, with no denim in
> > sight.
> >     This thread just gave me deja vue. (J Clarke's followup about metal
> > polish on a silver plate bomber in a museum also gave me deja vue a
> > while ago, but a search of my private usenet archive turned up nothing.)
> >     Anyhow, the suspense is killing me. Do you see Low Library from the
> > entrance to Barnard's campus?
> 
> Not really. Barnard is on the west side of Broadway, Columbia on the east 
> side. The CU side is an almost continuous wall of large university 
> buildings, with a few gates and staircases onto the street between them. 
> Low is more or less in the center of the block, behind all the buildings. 
> There is a gap that could let you see Low from Broadway, but it's blocked 
> by the college chapel.

The school song is "If It Wasn't For The 'Ouses In Between".  :-)
<https://monologues.co.uk/musichall/Songs-I/If-It-Wasnt-For-The-Houses.htm>

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#490809

On 2018-04-20, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>     This thread just gave me deja vue.

i see wut u did thar

Dave, expanded vistas
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible	:( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#490827

David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2018-04-20, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>     This thread just gave me deja vue.
>
> i see wut u did thar
>

What you see is what you get from me in this thread. Although your kind
perception of greater wit on my part flatters me, it's undeserved. Peter
actually talks about Columbia University from time-to-time.
    At the risk of boring my readers to death, allow me to note that
Barnard's only role was to make me vicariously aware of Low Library.
Although the vista of Low Library from an outdoor perspective in my
dreams arguably counts as precognition, there's still no scientific
evidence, from Sagan's perspective.
    When Low Library appears in my dreams, it's full of books, but it's
not full of rows of books in standard shelves. Rather, it's a labyrinth
of small rooms and only the /walls/ of each room are plastered with
shelves that hold books. The shelves reach all the way to the ceiling.
You need a ladder to reach the top shelves. But, it's a dream, so you
get to go hunt for a ladder, if you really want it that bad.
    Pedestal display tables occupy the middle of rooms. The pedestal's
table holds one layer of books arranged with their spines facing upward.
    It's absolutely the stupidest oneiric library ever. Because it takes
you forever to root through things. It's totally unorganized and you
only find books by happenstance. The library's lack of rhyme or reason
makes it picture perfect to deliver dream frustration.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#490848

On Saturday, 21 April 2018 15:30:03 UTC+1, D B Davis  wrote:
> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On 2018-04-20, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> >>     This thread just gave me deja vue.
> >
> > i see wut u did thar
> >
> 
> What you see is what you get from me in this thread. Although your kind
> perception of greater wit on my part flatters me, it's undeserved. Peter
> actually talks about Columbia University from time-to-time.
>     At the risk of boring my readers to death, allow me to note that
> Barnard's only role was to make me vicariously aware of Low Library.
> Although the vista of Low Library from an outdoor perspective in my
> dreams arguably counts as precognition, there's still no scientific
> evidence, from Sagan's perspective.
>     When Low Library appears in my dreams, it's full of books, but it's
> not full of rows of books in standard shelves. Rather, it's a labyrinth
> of small rooms and only the /walls/ of each room are plastered with
> shelves that hold books. The shelves reach all the way to the ceiling.
> You need a ladder to reach the top shelves. But, it's a dream, so you
> get to go hunt for a ladder, if you really want it that bad.
>     Pedestal display tables occupy the middle of rooms. The pedestal's
> table holds one layer of books arranged with their spines facing upward.
>     It's absolutely the stupidest oneiric library ever. Because it takes
> you forever to root through things. It's totally unorganized and you
> only find books by happenstance. The library's lack of rhyme or reason
> makes it picture perfect to deliver dream frustration.

It all sounds quite like my idea of a pop-up second-hand book shop,
if such a thing exists - where your host wants you to take some of
the books but is not fussy which ones you take.

I've seen thrift shop shelves with two layers of books spine out, 
one set behind the other, which makes me quite intensely want to 
do something bout it.  For instance put something under the rear 
books so that their titles can be read above the books in front of
them.  But what would they put there?  More books, I suspect.
And I wouldn't feel better.

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#490862

On 2018-04-21, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, 21 April 2018 15:30:03 UTC+1, D B Davis  wrote:
>> David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > On 2018-04-20, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>> >>     This thread just gave me deja vue.
>> >
>> > i see wut u did thar
>> >
>> 
>> What you see is what you get from me in this thread. Although your kind
>> perception of greater wit on my part flatters me, it's undeserved. Peter
>> actually talks about Columbia University from time-to-time.
>>     At the risk of boring my readers to death, allow me to note that
>> Barnard's only role was to make me vicariously aware of Low Library.
>> Although the vista of Low Library from an outdoor perspective in my
>> dreams arguably counts as precognition, there's still no scientific
>> evidence, from Sagan's perspective.
>>     When Low Library appears in my dreams, it's full of books, but it's
>> not full of rows of books in standard shelves. Rather, it's a labyrinth
>> of small rooms and only the /walls/ of each room are plastered with
>> shelves that hold books. The shelves reach all the way to the ceiling.
>> You need a ladder to reach the top shelves. But, it's a dream, so you
>> get to go hunt for a ladder, if you really want it that bad.
>>     Pedestal display tables occupy the middle of rooms. The pedestal's
>> table holds one layer of books arranged with their spines facing upward.
>>     It's absolutely the stupidest oneiric library ever. Because it takes
>> you forever to root through things. It's totally unorganized and you
>> only find books by happenstance. The library's lack of rhyme or reason
>> makes it picture perfect to deliver dream frustration.
>
> It all sounds quite like my idea of a pop-up second-hand book shop,
> if such a thing exists - where your host wants you to take some of
> the books but is not fussy which ones you take.
>
> I've seen thrift shop shelves with two layers of books spine out, 
> one set behind the other, which makes me quite intensely want to 
> do something bout it.  For instance put something under the rear 
> books so that their titles can be read above the books in front of
> them.  But what would they put there?  More books, I suspect.
> And I wouldn't feel better.

I use 2x4's in several of my bookcases to double-shelf paperbacks. I have
7 full-height custom-built bookcases for paperbacks, but it wasn't nearly
enough!

Chris

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