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  Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-27 06:56 +0000
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2017-12-27 07:20 +0000
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-27 03:05 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 08:05 -0800
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-27 12:57 -0500
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-27 16:32 +0000
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-27 10:17 -0800
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-27 19:27 +0000
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-01 04:39 -0700
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-01-01 07:54 -0500
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-01 05:11 -0800
                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-01-01 18:23 +0000
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-01 13:12 -0800
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-01-02 21:08 +0000
                      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-02 13:20 -0800
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-01 16:04 +0000
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-28 09:08 -0800
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2017-12-28 17:11 +0000
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-27 14:09 +0000
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2017-12-27 14:27 +0000
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 07:41 -0800
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? banjo@dontspam.silent.com - 2017-12-27 12:36 +0000
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-27 14:10 +0000
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2017-12-27 06:08 -0800
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 07:47 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-27 16:44 +0000
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 09:43 -0800
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-27 10:26 -0800
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 09:37 -0600
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2017-12-27 09:24 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 09:34 -0600
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-29 21:00 -0600
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 03:23 -0600
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 12:13 -0600
                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-04 10:27 -0800
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 12:55 -0600
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 11:00 -0700
                      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 13:08 -0600
                        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-04 12:18 -0800
                          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 13:06 -0700
                            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-04 23:27 +0000
                              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 15:51 -0700
                                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 18:08 -0600
                                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 16:41 -0700
                                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-01-04 16:18 -0800
                                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-01-04 16:36 -0800
                                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-01-04 16:52 -0800
                                      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 08:10 -0700
                                        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> - 2018-01-07 13:25 +0000
                                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-05 00:01 +0000
                                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 16:43 -0700
                                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-05 02:11 +0000
                                      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 03:58 +0000
                                        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-05 05:56 +0000
                                          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 06:42 +0000
                                            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-05 15:55 +0000
                                              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 08:18 -0700
                                              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 19:17 -0600
                              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 18:59 -0500
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-04 23:23 +0000
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 18:57 -0500
                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 10:56 -0700
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-04 12:16 -0800
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-01-04 13:03 -0700
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-04 23:22 +0000
                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-04 23:20 +0000
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 07:59 -0800
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Wolffan <aklwolffan@gmail.com> - 2017-12-27 16:35 -0500
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 14:03 -0800
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2017-12-28 05:42 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-27 15:15 -0700
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-27 23:28 +0000
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-28 01:02 +0000
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-28 11:43 -0800
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-28 21:33 +0000
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-28 16:09 -0800
              Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-29 14:27 -0800
                Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-29 23:14 +0000
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Wolffan <aklwolffan@gmail.com> - 2017-12-29 20:18 -0500
                  Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Wolffan <aklwolffan@gmail.com> - 2017-12-31 20:56 -0500
                    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-01-01 02:16 +0000
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2017-12-27 23:12 +0000
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2017-12-27 16:12 -0800
    Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2017-12-27 18:57 -0800
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-27 19:28 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-28 05:03 +0000
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-12-28 06:19 +0000
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-28 09:32 -0800
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-01-03 11:48 -0800
            Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-01-03 11:53 -0800
        Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-02 07:18 -0700
          Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-01-02 09:04 -0800
      Re: Male or married author(s) with a female pen name? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-02 07:17 -0700

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#483441 — Male or married author(s) with a female pen name?

Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
Carver?

Thank you,

--
Don

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#483442

In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>Carver?
>
>Thank you,
>
>--
>Don

Ilona Andrews
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#483443

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> >
> >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
> >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
> >Carver?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >--
> >Don
> 
> Ilona

It's a thing in crime fiction.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/men-are-pretending-to-be-women-to-write-books/535671/

Kevin R

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#483454

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 6:05:49 AM UTC-5, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
> > >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
> > >Carver?
> > 
> > Ilona [Andrews]
> 
> It's a thing in crime fiction.
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/men-are-pretending-to-be-women-to-write-books/535671/

According to some articles, e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/31/male-writers-hide-gender-sell-more-books ,
it's "a thing" in other genres as well:

"[Sean Thomas said] ...it arguably helps, these days, for fiction
writers to be female, or at least not male. [snip]

A Goodreads survey from 2014 suggests the instinct to mask his
gender is a right one. It found, for example, that women are
predominantly read by women – 80% of a new female author’s audience
is likely to be female.

Thomas says he enjoys working in a female-dominated arena. “If men
have decided they want to watch HBO instead of read, so be it,” he
says. “Men can’t complain if the publishing industry is usurped by
the gender that still cares about novels."

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#483459

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:05:45 -0800 (PST), Ahasuerus
<ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 6:05:49 AM UTC-5, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> > In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>> > >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>> > >Carver?
>> > 
>> > Ilona [Andrews]
>> 
>> It's a thing in crime fiction.
>> 
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/men-are-pretending-to-be-women-to-write-books/535671/
>
>According to some articles, e.g.
>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/31/male-writers-hide-gender-sell-more-books ,
>it's "a thing" in other genres as well:
>
>"[Sean Thomas said] ...it arguably helps, these days, for fiction
>writers to be female, or at least not male. [snip]
>
>A Goodreads survey from 2014 suggests the instinct to mask his
>gender is a right one. It found, for example, that women are
>predominantly read by women – 80% of a new female author’s audience
>is likely to be female.
>
>Thomas says he enjoys working in a female-dominated arena. “If men
>have decided they want to watch HBO instead of read, so be it,” he
>says. “Men can’t complain if the publishing industry is usurped by
>the gender that still cares about novels."

Why am I flashing on the Wachowskis?  A little bit different case
though--they aren't men who were writing under a feminine pseudonym,
they had gender reassignment.

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#483455

In article <7a05ff30-8255-4739-b2e8-837b87a13b45@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>> >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>> >Carver?
>> >
>> >Thank you,
>> >
>> >--
>> >Don
>> 
>> Ilona
>
>It's a thing in crime fiction.

And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
haven't looked at it in a long time).

Rather like the days when female SF writers wrote under male
names because the readership were, or at least were assumed to
be, 100% male, 99% of those teenagers to whom girls were _terra
incognita._

On a slightli divergent note, I saw _Jumanji_ last night, and
it's a hoot.  You all probably know already that it's four
candidates for the Breakfast Club turned into avatars in a video
game, giving four actors marvelous opportunities to act like what
they don't look like.

But the thing that struck me was that the NPCs all act like NPCs;
what they can say and do is limited to their scripts.

Excellent CGI, too; there were a lot of jaguars in the final
scenes and, since I refuse to believe that the studio let real
jaguars attack elephants and humans (and get trashed for doing
so), somebody worked hard on the CGI jaguars.  We were wondering
on the way home how you'd past ping-pong balls all over a jaguar.
Perhaps the computer was simply given a map of every spot on the
real jaguar's hide?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#483460

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <7a05ff30-8255-4739-b2e8-837b87a13b45@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
> >> >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
> >> >Carver?
> >> >
> >> >Thank you,
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Don
> >> 
> >> Ilona
> >
> >It's a thing in crime fiction.
> 
> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
> haven't looked at it in a long time).

It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
the 20th century.  One of the staff members, a suburban housewife 
who worked part-time, was in charge of our romance section.  I would 
have to sub for her when she took vacations, since one of my jobs
was "receiving clerk" and the two of us were the only ones who could
be trusted with rotating the Harlequin (UKish: Mills & Boone) stock,
and competing lines with similar release schedules, in the approved
manner to maximize sales and return credits.  It was more like stocking
a magazine rack than a bookshelf.  

Harlequin tried to sell SF the same way, as Laser Books, 
which long-time readers of the group are doubtless familiar
with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Books

When our stores "queen of Romance" came back from a luncheon
she had been invited to by one of the publishers, due to the 
excellent romance sell-through at our store, she clued me in
that so-and-so was actually male.  They had several of their
popular authors at the event, much like a con.

And, oh, yes, romance fans have cons.

http://www.romancerefined.com/list-of-romance-conventions-and-conferences.html


> 
> Rather like the days when female SF writers wrote under male
> names because the readership were, or at least were assumed to
> be, 100% male, 99% of those teenagers to whom girls were _terra
> incognita._
> 

I remember when I first found out Andre Norton was female.
The androgynous first name didn't put me off, and since
I enjoyed my first Norton, I gave a "so what?" shrug and
kept reading.

> On a slightli divergent note, I saw _Jumanji_ last night, and
> it's a hoot.  You all probably know already that it's four
> candidates for the Breakfast Club turned into avatars in a video
> game, giving four actors marvelous opportunities to act like what
> they don't look like.
> 

One actor I noticed in the cast was Karen Gillan.  How could I
not notice "the Legs" in those shorts?!  Did the presence of "Amy 
Pond" influence your choice of movie?

> But the thing that struck me was that the NPCs all act like NPCs;
> what they can say and do is limited to their scripts.
> 
> Excellent CGI, too; there were a lot of jaguars in the final
> scenes and, since I refuse to believe that the studio let real
> jaguars attack elephants and humans (and get trashed for doing
> so), somebody worked hard on the CGI jaguars.  We were wondering
> on the way home how you'd past ping-pong balls all over a jaguar.
> Perhaps the computer was simply given a map of every spot on the
> real jaguar's hide?

Sometimes it is best not to look behind the curtain?

Kevin R

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#483473

In article <2bf08068-6407-41b9-b72d-d5e7e6306d53@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <7a05ff30-8255-4739-b2e8-837b87a13b45@googlegroups.com>,
>> Kevrob  <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 2:20:28 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan
><tednolan> wrote:
>> >> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>> >> >name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>> >> >Carver?
>> >> >
>> >> >Thank you,
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Don
>> >> 
>> >> Ilona
>> >
>> >It's a thing in crime fiction.
>> 
>> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
>> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
>> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
>> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
>> haven't looked at it in a long time).
>
>It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
>and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
>shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
>writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
>the 20th century.  One of the staff members, a suburban housewife 
>who worked part-time, was in charge of our romance section.  I would 
>have to sub for her when she took vacations, since one of my jobs
>was "receiving clerk" and the two of us were the only ones who could
>be trusted with rotating the Harlequin (UKish: Mills & Boone) stock,
>and competing lines with similar release schedules, in the approved
>manner to maximize sales and return credits.  It was more like stocking
>a magazine rack than a bookshelf.  
>
>Harlequin tried to sell SF the same way, as Laser Books, 
>which long-time readers of the group are doubtless familiar
>with.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Books
>
>When our stores "queen of Romance" came back from a luncheon
>she had been invited to by one of the publishers, due to the 
>excellent romance sell-through at our store, she clued me in
>that so-and-so was actually male.  They had several of their
>popular authors at the event, much like a con.
>
>And, oh, yes, romance fans have cons.
>
>http://www.romancerefined.com/list-of-romance-conventions-and-conferences.html

Here's a review of a murder mystery set at one.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/66506.Die_for_Love

Way out of print, but Amazon probably has some copies at $0.01
plus s/h.
>
>....

>> On a slightli divergent note, I saw _Jumanji_ last night, and
>> it's a hoot.  You all probably know already that it's four
>> candidates for the Breakfast Club turned into avatars in a video
>> game, giving four actors marvelous opportunities to act like what
>> they don't look like.
>> 
>
>One actor I noticed in the cast was Karen Gillan.  How could I
>not notice "the Legs" in those shorts?!  Did the presence of "Amy 
>Pond" influence your choice of movie?

Not directly, but I did see a photo online of the four avatars
and said "Wait a minute, I know that face."  Now, the idea of her
avatar being a kick-ass martial artist isn't all that far removed
from Amy Pond -- but the shy self-deprecating wimp she started
out being, was.
>
>> But the thing that struck me was that the NPCs all act like NPCs;
>> what they can say and do is limited to their scripts.
>> 
>> Excellent CGI, too; there were a lot of jaguars in the final
>> scenes and, since I refuse to believe that the studio let real
>> jaguars attack elephants and humans (and get trashed for doing
>> so), somebody worked hard on the CGI jaguars.  We were wondering
>> on the way home how you'd past ping-pong balls all over a jaguar.
>> Perhaps the computer was simply given a map of every spot on the
>> real jaguar's hide?
>
>Sometimes it is best not to look behind the curtain?

Depends on what you want to see.  I like knowing how the special
effects were done.  Back when we had some money to spend, Hal and
I subscribed to _American Cinematographer_, which did a lot of
making-of articles.  When the Star Wars films started coming out,
there were a lot of making-of specials on television, which we
taped and watched over and over.

And it came in handy when my kids (nine and ten at the time) and
I saw _Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom_.  They started
getting scared, but when I said, "Wow, what cool special effects,
how do you suppose they did that?" they got into1 "it's just a
movie" mode and appreciated the special effects.



-- 
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#483867

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:


>> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
>> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
>> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
>> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
>> haven't looked at it in a long time).
>
>It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
>and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
>shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
>writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
>the 20th century.  

Wasn't one of Heinlein's characters an "unwed mother" for a career?
Writing such books.
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#483868

On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 04:39:30 -0700, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
>>> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
>>> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
>>> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
>>> haven't looked at it in a long time).
>>
>>It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
>>and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
>>shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
>>writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
>>the 20th century.  
>
>Wasn't one of Heinlein's characters an "unwed mother" for a career?
>Writing such books.

Flashing on "Magnum, P.I." in which Magnum mooched off of wildly
successful romance writer Robin Masters, who was not female.

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#483869

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 6:39:47 AM UTC-5, Greg Goss wrote:
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
> >> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
> >> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
> >> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
> >> haven't looked at it in a long time).
> >
> >It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
> >and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
> >shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
> >writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
> >the 20th century.  
> 
> Wasn't one of Heinlein's characters an "unwed mother" for a career?
> Writing such books.

That's "---All you Zombies---" and the market for that character's
prose was the "confession" magazines: "True Story," "True Confessions,"
etc. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Story_(magazine)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Confessions_(magazine)

That stuff was ostensibly non-fiction.  I wouldn't guess
at the % of the content actually based on real events.

Michael Bracken outlines on how to sell to that market.

http://www.sfwa.org/2009/07/writing-and-selling-confessions/

Kevin R

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#483887

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 6:39:47 AM UTC-5, Greg Goss wrote:
>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
>> >> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
>> >> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
>> >> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
>> >> haven't looked at it in a long time).
>> >
>> >It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
>> >and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
>> >shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
>> >writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
>> >the 20th century.
>>
>> Wasn't one of Heinlein's characters an "unwed mother" for a career?
>> Writing such books.
>
> That's "---All you Zombies---" and the market for that character's
> prose was the "confession" magazines: "True Story," "True Confessions,"
> etc.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Story_(magazine)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Confessions_(magazine)
>
> That stuff was ostensibly non-fiction.  I wouldn't guess
> at the % of the content actually based on real events.
>
> Michael Bracken outlines on how to sell to that market.
>
> http://www.sfwa.org/2009/07/writing-and-selling-confessions/

Excellent followup Kevrob!

Thank you,

--
Don

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#483902

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:

> > Michael Bracken outlines on how to sell to that market.
> >
> > http://www.sfwa.org/2009/07/writing-and-selling-confessions/
> 
> Excellent followup Kevrob!
> 
> Thank you,


You are welcome!

Kevin R

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#483978

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> > Michael Bracken outlines on how to sell to that market.
>> >
>> > http://www.sfwa.org/2009/07/writing-and-selling-confessions/
>>
>> Excellent followup Kevrob!
>>
>> Thank you,
>
>
> You are welcome!

Bracken says "Confession magazine editors expect you to sign a release
attesting to the veracity of your story." So a confession magazine is a
secularized, publicized Catholic confessional, so to speak.
    Bracken also enumerates a dozen magazine titles, which are
segregated between Caucasian and Black. Within this thread's context a
question is begged. Has any Caucasian male used a Black female name as a
byline?

Thank you,

--
Don

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#483980

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 4:08:19 PM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-5, D B Davis wrote:
> >> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Michael Bracken outlines on how to sell to that market.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.sfwa.org/2009/07/writing-and-selling-confessions/
> >>
> >> Excellent followup Kevrob!
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >
> >
> > You are welcome!
> 
> Bracken says "Confession magazine editors expect you to sign a release
> attesting to the veracity of your story." So a confession magazine is a
> secularized, publicized Catholic confessional, so to speak.

With the pseudonym acting as "THE SEAL?"

I wonder how many of these mags are still buying?

>     Bracken also enumerates a dozen magazine titles, which are
> segregated between Caucasian and Black. Within this thread's context a
> question is begged. Has any Caucasian male used a Black female name as a
> byline?

AKICIF: anybody have a Writer's Market guide at hand
who can see if they are still actively published?

If a white guy tried to write in a black female voice for
these mags, he'd have to be pretty tuned in, or it would
ring pretty false, wouldn't it?

Kevin R

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#483884

In article <faukvtFj5q6U1@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss  <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> And there are, I believe, a number of guys who write romances
>>> under female names -- because otherwise the (99% female) readers
>>> wouldn't read them.  Bill Quick was one of these, I believe.
>>> He used to post to rec.arts.writing, and perhaps still does (I
>>> haven't looked at it in a long time).
>>
>>It was my understanding, going back to the last years of the 70s
>>and for most of the 80s, when I worked in a large B Dalton in a
>>shopping mall, that it was ever so.  There were probably men
>>writing "romance fiction" for the love pulps in the first half of
>>the 20th century.  
>
>Wasn't one of Heinlein's characters an "unwed mother" for a career?
>Writing such books.

Magazine stories, actually, not books.

But yes, for one segment of his/her tangled career.  The story is
"All You Zombies."

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#483528

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:05:49 AM UTC-6, Kevrob wrote:
> It's a thing in crime fiction.
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/men-are-pretending-to-be-women-to-write-books/535671/

Definitely for "cozy" mysteries, as that's dominated by female writers. Some men use such pseudonyms, at least if the protagonist is female. 

One that fits the original question, other than the wrong genre, is "Barbara Allan". That's  a collaboration between married writers Max Allan Collins and Barbara Collins.

Brian

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#483529

In article <1cd1ba8e-360b-425b-af2b-74c813c9df33@googlegroups.com>,
Default User  <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 5:05:49 AM UTC-6, Kevrob wrote:
>> It's a thing in crime fiction.
>> 
>>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/men-are-pretending-to-be-women-to-write-books/535671/
>
>Definitely for "cozy" mysteries, as that's dominated by female writers.
>Some men use such pseudonyms, at least if the protagonist is female. 
>
>One that fits the original question, other than the wrong genre, is
>"Barbara Allan". That's  a collaboration between married writers Max
>Allan Collins and Barbara Collins.
>
>Brian
>
>

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#483447

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>
>>Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>>name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>>Carver?
>
> Ilona Andrews

The pen name for Ilona and Andrew Gordon. FWIW, ISFDB files all of Ilona
Andrews under Andrew Gordan. Wikipedia says that the Gordans write urban
fantasy and romantic fiction.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#483449

In article <20171227a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>> In article <20171226a@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Are there any male or married couples who write SF under a female pen
>>>name? Something along the lines of a Louise Padgett or a sfnal Tania
>>>Carver?
>>
>> Ilona Andrews
>
>The pen name for Ilona and Andrew Gordon. FWIW, ISFDB files all of Ilona
>Andrews under Andrew Gordan. Wikipedia says that the Gordans write urban
>fantasy and romantic fiction.
>
>Thank you,
>

True, but they do also write SF.  The Inn Keeper series for example, and
a few others.  It's not even Star Wars "hard", but I have no problem calling
it science fiction.
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