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  Good science fiction mysteries? Dale Cozort <dalecoz2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 05:57 -0700
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-05-28 15:19 +0000
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-05-28 11:40 -0700
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2016-05-28 13:30 -0600
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-05-30 07:26 -0700
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 15:51 -0700
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-30 04:51 -0600
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 08:31 -0700
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2016-05-29 08:52 +1200
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 21:24 -0400
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-05-29 15:36 +1000
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 09:47 -0500
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-05-29 18:11 +0100
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2016-05-29 18:20 +0000
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 14:39 +0000
                Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 12:06 -0500
                  Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 17:35 +0000
                Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-06-01 15:23 -0700
                  Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-02 12:22 +0000
                    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-06-02 15:39 -0700
                  Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 19:49 +0200
                    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Dale Cozort <dalecoz2@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 20:54 -0700
                Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-02 12:38 -0400
                  Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Dale Cozort <dalecoz2@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 13:06 -0700
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 14:34 +0000
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-06-01 12:26 -0500
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-06-01 10:44 -0700
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-30 04:54 -0600
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-31 00:12 -0500
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-05-31 14:26 +0000
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-31 22:47 -0600
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Phil Brown <philcycles@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 10:30 -0700
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 12:33 -0500
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 14:41 +0000
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-06 02:48 +0000
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Dale Cozort <dalecoz2@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 07:44 -0700
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-06 11:01 -0400
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-07 00:48 +0000
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-06 02:51 +0000
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Richard Botting <rjbotting03@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:30 -0700
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? ronincats <crochetycat@cox.net> - 2016-05-29 12:53 -0700
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-29 16:13 -0400
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? ronincats <crochetycat@cox.net> - 2016-05-30 18:30 -0700
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-05-29 16:41 -0700
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-05-30 00:53 -0700
    Good science fiction mysteries? "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-30 06:24 -0700
    Good science fiction mysteries? "p. pinto" <ppint.lhc@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 07:13 -0700
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-30 20:32 -0600
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-31 00:15 -0500
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "p. pinto" <ppint.lhc@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 05:03 -0700
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 15:11 +0000
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-01 11:28 -0400
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 09:47 -0600
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 17:23 +0000
          Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-01 13:56 -0400
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 13:48 -0600
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-01 16:00 -0400
                Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-01 16:03 -0400
            Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-02 12:28 +0000
              Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-02 09:12 -0400
      Re: Good science fiction mysteries? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-01 11:56 -0400
        Re: Good science fiction mysteries? nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-06-01 17:34 +0000
    Re: Good science fiction mysteries? Phil Brown <philcycles@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 09:01 -0700

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#441187

Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> writes:

> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 12:39:41 AM UTC+10, Anthony Nance wrote:
>
> <snip>
>  
>> > I keep thinking that Charles Stross must have written one, but nothing
>> > jumps off of my shelves.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the two Stross I bought at the same time jumped
>> right off my shelves and straight to Half Price Books.[1]  Just
>> didn't work for me.
>> 
>> Tony (Hi Mike!)
>> [1] I think I've intentionally gotten rid of roughly a dozen 
>>     books in my lifetime, but those are two of them.
>
> Oh?  Which ones?  Stross plays in a lot of sandboxes so I like some
> stuff, dislike others and find some a bit 'meh'
>
That would be 'Halting State' and 'Rule 34'. Near-future SF mysteries
set in an independent Scotland.

'Halting State' tends to throw people off (dunno if that goes for
Anthony), because it is written in the second person, as if you're
reading an old-fashioned text adventure. Fitting, as the setting is
apparent fraud involving an MMO.

I loved 'em both though.

Mart

-- 
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
    --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

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#441267

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-5, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> writes:
> 
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 12:39:41 AM UTC+10, Anthony Nance wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >  
> >> > I keep thinking that Charles Stross must have written one, but nothing
> >> > jumps off of my shelves.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately, the two Stross I bought at the same time jumped
> >> right off my shelves and straight to Half Price Books.[1]  Just
> >> didn't work for me.
> >> 
> >> Tony (Hi Mike!)
> >> [1] I think I've intentionally gotten rid of roughly a dozen 
> >>     books in my lifetime, but those are two of them.
> >
> > Oh?  Which ones?  Stross plays in a lot of sandboxes so I like some
> > stuff, dislike others and find some a bit 'meh'
> >
> That would be 'Halting State' and 'Rule 34'. Near-future SF mysteries
> set in an independent Scotland.
> 
> 'Halting State' tends to throw people off (dunno if that goes for
> Anthony), because it is written in the second person, as if you're
> reading an old-fashioned text adventure. Fitting, as the setting is
> apparent fraud involving an MMO.
> 
> I loved 'em both though.
> 
> Mart
> 
> -- 
> "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
>     --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

I remember starting "Halting State," but I can't remember whether or not I finished it. The second person writing bugged me a little, but I remember getting used to it after a while. It never completely stopped annoying me though and it may have played a role if I didn't finish the book.

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#441106

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:39:39 -0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
<nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
in<news:nims3b$jvi$2@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> Unfortunately, the two Stross I bought at the same time
> jumped right off my shelves and straight to Half Price
> Books.[1]  Just didn't work for me.

I read or started at least four of Charlie’s books and had
the same problem with every damned one of them: the
beginning was interesting, but the interest didn’t hold up.
I long ago stopped even looking at them.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#441128

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-5, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:39:39 -0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> in<news:nims3b$jvi$2@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Unfortunately, the two Stross I bought at the same time
> > jumped right off my shelves and straight to Half Price
> > Books.[1]  Just didn't work for me.
> 
> I read or started at least four of Charlie’s books and had
> the same problem with every damned one of them: the
> beginning was interesting, but the interest didn’t hold up.
> I long ago stopped even looking at them.
> 
> Brian
> -- 
> It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
> holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
> rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
> haggisss.

I haven't noticed quite that problem, at least not early in the Laundry and Merchant Princes series. I have noticed, though, that the later books in both series seem to get flabby a few chapters in--more so with Merchant Princes than the Laundry stuff. I did finish all the Merchant Princes novels, but only because I had invested so much time in the series. The last two books were just not very good in my opinion.

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#440976

Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5/28/2016 4:52 PM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 29/05/16 03:31, lal_truckee wrote:
>>> On 5/28/16 5:57 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
>>>> I like science fiction and I like mysteries. I haven't seen the two
>>>> combined well very often. Can anybody recommend stories/books that
>>>> combine good science fiction with good mystery--the kind that keeps
>>>> you wondering whodunnit until the end and doesn't rely on some tech
>>>> gizmo to wrap things up.
>>>
>>> How about _Red Planet Blues_ by Robert J. Sawyer
>>> or _When Gravity Fails_ by George Alec Effinger
>>> or even hoary _The Demolished Man_ by Alfred Bester
>>> and _The Caves of Steel_ by Isaac Asimov
>>>
>> "Marooned in Realtime" by Vernor Vinge is both SCi Fi and a mystery
>> though it might be best to read his "The Peace War" first.
> 
> 
> MEMORY by Lois Bujold. Actually many of the Vorkosigan series have a 
> mystery element.

"Mountains of Mourning" seems to be a particularly good fit, iirc.
- Tony

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#440998

On 6/1/2016 9:34 AM, Anthony Nance wrote:
> Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 5/28/2016 4:52 PM, Titus G wrote:
>>> On 29/05/16 03:31, lal_truckee wrote:
>>>> On 5/28/16 5:57 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
>>>>> I like science fiction and I like mysteries. I haven't seen the two
>>>>> combined well very often. Can anybody recommend stories/books that
>>>>> combine good science fiction with good mystery--the kind that keeps
>>>>> you wondering whodunnit until the end and doesn't rely on some tech
>>>>> gizmo to wrap things up.
>>>>
>>>> How about _Red Planet Blues_ by Robert J. Sawyer
>>>> or _When Gravity Fails_ by George Alec Effinger
>>>> or even hoary _The Demolished Man_ by Alfred Bester
>>>> and _The Caves of Steel_ by Isaac Asimov
>>>>
>>> "Marooned in Realtime" by Vernor Vinge is both SCi Fi and a mystery
>>> though it might be best to read his "The Peace War" first.
>>
>>
>> MEMORY by Lois Bujold. Actually many of the Vorkosigan series have a
>> mystery element.
>
> "Mountains of Mourning" seems to be a particularly good fit, iirc.
> - Tony

+1,000,000

Here is the ebook:
    https://www.amazon.com/Mountains-Mourning-Vorkosigan-Saga-ebook/dp/B004O4C13W

I cannot remember which book it was appended to.

Lynn

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#441006

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:26:33 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/1/2016 9:34 AM, Anthony Nance wrote:
> > Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/28/2016 4:52 PM, Titus G wrote:
> >>> On 29/05/16 03:31, lal_truckee wrote:
> >>>> On 5/28/16 5:57 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
> >>>>> I like science fiction and I like mysteries. I haven't seen the two
> >>>>> combined well very often. Can anybody recommend stories/books that
> >>>>> combine good science fiction with good mystery--the kind that keeps
> >>>>> you wondering whodunnit until the end and doesn't rely on some tech
> >>>>> gizmo to wrap things up.
> >>>>
> >>>> How about _Red Planet Blues_ by Robert J. Sawyer
> >>>> or _When Gravity Fails_ by George Alec Effinger
> >>>> or even hoary _The Demolished Man_ by Alfred Bester
> >>>> and _The Caves of Steel_ by Isaac Asimov
> >>>>
> >>> "Marooned in Realtime" by Vernor Vinge is both SCi Fi and a mystery
> >>> though it might be best to read his "The Peace War" first.
> >>
> >>
> >> MEMORY by Lois Bujold. Actually many of the Vorkosigan series have a
> >> mystery element.
> >
> > "Mountains of Mourning" seems to be a particularly good fit, iirc.
> > - Tony
> 
> +1,000,000
> 
> Here is the ebook:
>     https://www.amazon.com/Mountains-Mourning-Vorkosigan-Saga-ebook/dp/B004O4C13W
> 
> I cannot remember which book it was appended to.
> 
> Lynn

I have it as the first sizeable story in Borders of Infinity, just after a short framing introduction.

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#440875

Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 29/05/16 03:31, lal_truckee wrote:
>> On 5/28/16 5:57 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
>>> I like science fiction and I like mysteries. I haven't seen the two
>>> combined well very often. Can anybody recommend stories/books that
>>> combine good science fiction with good mystery--the kind that keeps
>>> you wondering whodunnit until the end and doesn't rely on some tech
>>> gizmo to wrap things up.
>>
>> How about _Red Planet Blues_ by Robert J. Sawyer
>> or _When Gravity Fails_ by George Alec Effinger
>> or even hoary _The Demolished Man_ by Alfred Bester
>> and _The Caves of Steel_ by Isaac Asimov
>>
>"Marooned in Realtime" by Vernor Vinge is both SCi Fi and a mystery 
>though it might be best to read his "The Peace War" first.

I found that "Realtime" stood up well enough without Peace War.
Neither Peace War, nor the bridging novella (name forgotten) really
grabbed me, though I endorse your recommendation of Realtime.

All three are gathered into an oversized book as "Across Realtime" if
I recall the title correctly.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#440902

On 2016-05-30, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> I found that "Realtime" stood up well enough without Peace War.
> Neither Peace War, nor the bridging novella (name forgotten) really

The Ungoverned (also starring the same detective who later found himself in
Marooned in Realtime (Wil Brierson?)).

> grabbed me, though I endorse your recommendation of Realtime.

Dave
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/	-net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#440917

David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2016-05-30, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>> I found that "Realtime" stood up well enough without Peace War.
>> Neither Peace War, nor the bridging novella (name forgotten) really
>
> The Ungoverned (also starring the same detective who later found himself in
> Marooned in Realtime (Wil Brierson?)).

"The Ungoverned"'s Wil Brierson reminds me of pop culture's Frank Nitti.
Pop culture often portrays Nitti as an agent of Chicago's criminal
empire who remains above the dirty work.

"The Ungoverned" is only mystery in the sense that all story plot lines
are a mystery until the reader reaches the end of the story. But, it's
all good as Titus G mentions _Marooned in Realtime_ as the Vinge SciFi
mystery story.

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#440962

Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:

>
>David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On 2016-05-30, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>>> I found that "Realtime" stood up well enough without Peace War.
>>> Neither Peace War, nor the bridging novella (name forgotten) really
>>
>> The Ungoverned (also starring the same detective who later found himself in
>> Marooned in Realtime (Wil Brierson?)).

Wil W and a number of people mentioned in Realtime were all named
after the boy genius from Peace War.

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#440857

Three of the Asimov robot novels are mysteries:
Caves Of Steel
The Naked Sun
Robots of Dawn

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#440859

Phil Brown <philcycles@gmail.com> wrote in news:d0e2890c-2820-4cf0-8424-
9a07a01b3233@googlegroups.com:

> Three of the Asimov robot novels are mysteries:
> Caves Of Steel
> The Naked Sun
> Robots of Dawn

He also wrote a whole anthology of short SF
mysteries.

pt

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#440979

Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> Phil Brown <philcycles@gmail.com> wrote in news:d0e2890c-2820-4cf0-8424-
> 9a07a01b3233@googlegroups.com:
> 
>> Three of the Asimov robot novels are mysteries:
>> Caves Of Steel
>> The Naked Sun
>> Robots of Dawn
> 
> He also wrote a whole anthology of short SF
> mysteries.


He also edited at least two (and likely many more):
- 13 Crimes of Science Fiction 
- Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space 

Tony

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#441307

"The Missing Item" by Asimov is my first Black Widowers short story. It
appears in "Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine," Winter 1977. Some
of the stories appear in anthology(s) and others appear in magazines. If
that's what you're talking about.

"The Missing Item" is great little mystery. Readers can see if they're
smart enough to solve the mystery before the reveal.

Note.

1. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9353

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#441327

The Black Widowers! That's the series that got me hooked on the subgenre.

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#441328

On 6/6/16 10:44 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
> The Black Widowers! That's the series that got me hooked on the subgenre.
>

	I liked the Wendell Urth series by him a bit more.


-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

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#441338

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 6/6/16 10:44 AM, Dale Cozort wrote:
>> The Black Widowers! That's the series that got me hooked on the subgenre.
>>
>
>        I liked the Wendell Urth series by him a bit more.

I just completed "The Singing Bell" by Asimov. Whenever the story
mentioned the Singing Bell, the Jewels of Sound (from "The City on the
Edge of Forever" by Ellison) popped into mind by association. With only
two stories read so far (one from Widowers and one from Urth) it's too
soon for me to pick the more enjoyable series.

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#441308

<repost to include accidentally deleted parts of thread>

Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> Phil Brown <philcycles@gmail.com> wrote in news:d0e2890c-2820-4cf0-8424-
> 9a07a01b3233@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Three of the Asimov robot novels are mysteries:
>> Caves Of Steel
>> The Naked Sun
>> Robots of Dawn
>
> He also wrote a whole anthology of short SF
> mysteries.

"The Missing Item" by Asimov is my first Black Widowers short story. It
appears in "Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine," Winter 1977. Some
of the stories appear in anthology(s) and others appear in magazines. If
that's what you're talking about.

"The Missing Item" is great little mystery. Readers can see if they're
smart enough to solve the mystery before the reveal.

Note.

1. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9353

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#441410

Including an intro that discusses the challenges of SF mysteries. 

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