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  This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:57 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:04 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-08-19 23:40 -0700
    Re: This morning's crap idea. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 10:07 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:16 +0000
    Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:11 +0000
      Re: This morning's crap idea. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 10:17 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 13:40 -0400
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 11:22 -0700
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0700
        Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 20:06 +0000
          Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:35 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 04:35 +0000
            Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:44 +0000
              Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0400
                Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-20 14:26 +0000
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:35 -0400
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 13:12 -0400
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-20 14:01 -0400
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-21 00:48 +0100
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-08-20 18:18 -0700
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-21 03:26 +0000
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-20 08:29 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 19:09 +0000
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-20 13:23 -0700
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 23:19 +0000
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 08:29 -0700
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-08-20 16:34 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-20 18:41 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-21 18:31 +0100
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-22 06:58 +0000
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-22 13:46 +0000
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-22 10:27 -0400
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 16:04 -0700
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-22 16:30 -0700
                            Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:36 -0700
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-22 17:53 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:56 -0700
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-23 07:55 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-23 08:00 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-24 08:37 -0400
                                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-24 07:35 -0700
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-23 00:47 +0000
                            Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:42 -0400
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-23 13:13 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 16:54 -0400
                                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-23 14:06 -0700
                                    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:19 -0400
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:11 -0500
    Re: This morning's crap idea. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-19 17:46 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-20 00:23 +0000
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:01 -0700
        Re: This morning's crap idea. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0000
    Re: This morning's crap idea. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-19 20:34 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-19 20:59 -0600
        Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:00 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-20 22:25 -0700
            Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-21 05:40 +0000
            Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 11:21 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 15:24 -0700
    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 15:40 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:37 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-19 14:45 +0000
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-19 07:52 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-19 17:19 -0400
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-19 16:09 -0700
          Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 01:02 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-10-20 03:52 -0500
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-20 21:18 -0700

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#420615 — This morning's crap idea.

Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

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#420616

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-7, William Vetter wrote:

> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?


Not that I can think of.  I CAN think of a story where a successful writer wants to rub his teachers face in a story that the teacher said was crap.  The denouement being that the writer ultimately agrees that the story WAS crap.  

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#420660

In article <8ea25ada-89a3-4116-9730-a5221cd74617@googlegroups.com>, 
ikonoqlast@gmail.com says...
> 
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-7, William Vetter wrote:
> 
> > Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> > time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> > transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
> 
> 
> Not that I can think of. I CAN think of a story where a successful
> writer wants to rub his teachers face in a story that the teacher said
> was crap. The denouement being that the writer ultimately agrees that
> the story WAS crap.

Did something similar (though not as a pro writer) - there was a story I 
wrote and bounced off the usual batch of sf magazines, collecting form 
rejection slips.  I put it in a drawer and forgot about it.  Dug it out 
when a friend started a sf fanzine and offered to publish it if I would 
type it onto the stencil.  I reread it first, winced, and rejected it 
myself. 

-- 

Kay Shapero
Address munged, try my first name at kayshapero dot net.

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#420617

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:57:33 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

No, but I do recall one where a modern goes back to the 50s, and sells a
lot of future-for-then famous stories to a Campbell expy. He gets suspicious
when faced with manuscripts which (i) were clearly "typed" on continuous,
perforated paper, (ii) contain no typos whatsoever, (iii) are in a wide
variety of styles, and (iv) include a story he's seen from another
author, but had rejected.

He confronts the author, and she shows him some minor examples of future tech
(he's unimpressed by Star Wars, color, incredible effects, but clunky plot).

IIRC, the traveller was trying to get the future bootstrapped faster then
it happened, for reasons....

pt

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#420622

In article <57ff9cfa-dc8b-4b85-8035-fe719501e83e@googlegroups.com>,
 <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:57:33 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>
>No, but I do recall one where a modern goes back to the 50s, and sells a
>lot of future-for-then famous stories to a Campbell expy. He gets suspicious
>when faced with manuscripts which (i) were clearly "typed" on continuous,
>perforated paper, (ii) contain no typos whatsoever, (iii) are in a wide
>variety of styles, and (iv) include a story he's seen from another
>author, but had rejected.

Actually, it's the author who has written the story and not yet
submitted it.  He confronts her with the title, and she says,
"Oh, shit.  You were already working on it."
>
>He confronts the author, and she shows him some minor examples of future tech
>(he's unimpressed by Star Wars, color, incredible effects, but clunky plot).
>
>IIRC, the traveller was trying to get the future bootstrapped faster then
>it happened, for reasons....

It's Turtledove's "Hindsight," which I just looked up.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420620

In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
>time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
>transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
look up the title.

...

The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
A woman from, hmmm, from her computer equipment I'll guess the
early 1990s, time-travels back to the early 1950s and starts
selling to the SF magazines stories that other people were going
to write in the intervening years.  She also writes stories of
her own (she is a far-from-lousy writer) about what's going to
happen in the intervening years.

She gets found out when she gets published, in a thinly-veiled
_Astounding,_ a story that the viewpoint character had already
written and not yet submitted.

Turns out her motive is to change the public viewpoint toward
things like science and away from things like Nixon.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420621

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:15:06 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> >time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> >transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
> 
> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
> look up the title.
> 
> ...
> 
> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.

Clearly, that is the story I was also trying to describe at the same
time.

pt

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#420623

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>
> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
> look up the title.
>
> ...
>
> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.

Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as 
well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a 
publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.

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#420624

In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
 William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
> > William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> >> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> >> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
> >
> > There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
> > look up the title.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
> 
> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as 
> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a 
> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.

A man's gotta know his limitations... :)

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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#420642

On 8/19/2015 11:22 AM, Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>   William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>
>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>> look up the title.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>
>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>
> A man's gotta know his limitations... :)
>
So he can wave at them as he runs past them.

-- 
Veni, vidi, snarki.

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#420629

In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>
>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>> look up the title.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>
>Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as 
>well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a 
>publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.

Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
would probably not get bought either.

At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
fortune?  At three cents a word?"

The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
details in and got them right.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420632

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>> 
>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>> look up the title.
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>> 
>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as 
>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a 
>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>
> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
> would probably not get bought either.
>
What I was thinking is that the intrepid timecop who's saved reality 
fifty times already is angry how he's been stuck with staking out a 
pulp magazine editor's brownstone, and then intercepts the criminal, 
but when he reads the first three lines of the ms., he knows how 
totally lousy the ms. is, that it would get rejected no matter what, 
and feels so bad he waits until morning with the crappy author to see 
Hugo Gernsback (or somebody) walk to the subway.

Such was my crappy idea which I decided wasn't worth wasting more 
energy on.

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#420651

Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>
>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>> look up the title.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>
>>Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>
> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
> would probably not get bought either.
>
> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>
> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
> details in and got them right.

Thank you sharing Dorothy.

"Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.

The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
"Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.

The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
    behind his hand.
        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."

--
 ,-.                              There was a young lady named Bright
 \_/                              Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)<   Don Kuenz KB7RPU            She set out one day
 / \                                 In a relative way
 `-'                              And returned on the previous night.

What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say. - Emerson.

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#420674

In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>
>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>> look up the title.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>>
>>>Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>>well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>>publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>>
>> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
>> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
>> would probably not get bought either.
>>
>> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
>> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
>> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>>
>> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
>> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
>> details in and got them right.
>
>Thank you sharing Dorothy.
>
>"Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>
>The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>"Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>
>The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>    behind his hand.
>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>

Heh.  I can believe it.

Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
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#420676

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>>> look up the title.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>>> 
>>> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
>>> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
>>> would probably not get bought either.
>>> 
>>> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
>>> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
>>> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>>> 
>>> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
>>> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
>>> details in and got them right.
>> 
>> Thank you sharing Dorothy.
>> 
>> "Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>> Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>> of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>> 
>> The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>> back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>> "Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>> 
>> The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>> world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>> from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>>    behind his hand.
>>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>> 
>
> Heh.  I can believe it.
>
> Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.

I think that editors like to buy this sort of thing, that talks about 
their lives, but I'm not sure readers want to see it particularly.  A 
lot of stuff like this appears in small press magazines...the editor 
suffers under a curse that forces her to read all the slush, things 
like that.

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#420678

In article <mr4m4l$m62$1@dont-email.me>,
William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>>>> look up the title.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>>>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>>>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
>>>> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
>>>> would probably not get bought either.
>>>> 
>>>> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
>>>> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
>>>> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>>>> 
>>>> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
>>>> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
>>>> details in and got them right.
>>> 
>>> Thank you sharing Dorothy.
>>> 
>>> "Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>>> Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>>> of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>>> 
>>> The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>>> back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>>> "Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>>> 
>>> The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>>> world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>>> from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>>>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>>>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>>>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>>>    behind his hand.
>>>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>>> 
>>
>> Heh.  I can believe it.
>>
>> Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.
>
>I think that editors like to buy this sort of thing, that talks about 
>their lives, but I'm not sure readers want to see it particularly.  A 
>lot of stuff like this appears in small press magazines...the editor 
>suffers under a curse that forces her to read all the slush, things 
>like that.

FWIF, I think the story was in a "Kelvin Throop" issue of Analog.
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#420680

Ted Nolantednolan> wrote:
> In article <mr4m4l$m62$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over 
>>>>>>>> the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>>>>> look up the title.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>>>>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>>>>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
>>>>> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
>>>>> would probably not get bought either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
>>>>> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
>>>>> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
>>>>> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
>>>>> details in and got them right.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you sharing Dorothy.
>>>> 
>>>> "Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>>>> Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>>>> of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>>>> 
>>>> The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>>>> back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>>>> "Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>>>> 
>>>> The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>>>> world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>>>> from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>>>>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>>>>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>>>>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>>>>    behind his hand.
>>>>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Heh.  I can believe it.
>>> 
>>> Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.
>> 
>> I think that editors like to buy this sort of thing, that talks about 
>> their lives, but I'm not sure readers want to see it particularly.  A 
>> lot of stuff like this appears in small press magazines...the editor 
>> suffers under a curse that forces her to read all the slush, things 
>> like that.
>
> FWIF, I think the story was in a "Kelvin Throop" issue of Analog.

The curse one I think of was in 1990's Fantastic or Weird Tales or 
Absolute Magnitude or one of those, and I think the title was even 
"Slush," but there are a lot when the slushpile comes alive and 
attacks, something like that.

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#420700

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:35:08 -0400, William Vetter
<mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ted Nolantednolan> wrote:
>> In article <mr4m4l$m62$1@dont-email.me>,
>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over 
>>>>>>>>> the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>>>>>> look up the title.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>>>>> Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>>>>> of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>>>>> back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>>>>> "Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>>>>> world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>>>>> from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>>>>>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>>>>>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>>>>>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>>>>>    behind his hand.
>>>>>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Heh.  I can believe it.
>>>> 
>>>> Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.
>>> 
>>> I think that editors like to buy this sort of thing, that talks about 
>>> their lives, but I'm not sure readers want to see it particularly.  A 
>>> lot of stuff like this appears in small press magazines...the editor 
>>> suffers under a curse that forces her to read all the slush, things 
>>> like that.
>>
>> FWIF, I think the story was in a "Kelvin Throop" issue of Analog.
>
>The curse one I think of was in 1990's Fantastic or Weird Tales or 
>Absolute Magnitude or one of those, and I think the title was even 
>"Slush," but there are a lot when the slushpile comes alive and 
>attacks, something like that.

The attacking slushpile was in "It Came from the Slushpile."  Don't
remember where it first appeared.




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#420704

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:12:19 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans
<lwe@sff.net> wrote
in<news:vg2ctap1g27nig0k3908ovpl1kpu1ejr3m@reader80.eternal-september.org>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> The attacking slushpile was in "It Came from the
> Slushpile."  Don't remember where it first appeared.

Aboriginal Science Fiction, July-August 1987, according to
ISFDB.

Brian
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holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#420733

"Brian M. Scott"  wrote

> The attacking slushpile was in "It Came from the
> Slushpile."  Don't remember where it first appeared.

Aboriginal Science Fiction, July-August 1987, according to ISFDB.

ISFDB shows 13 hits for 'Slush' in including a 1955 Poem by Roger Zelazny 
Slush, Slush, Slush

A search for slush found 13 matches

Title Type Variant Language Date Authors
A Game of Groans: A Sonnet of Slush and Soot NOVEL  English 2012-03-27 
George R. R. Washington
It Came from the Slushpile SHORTFICTION  English 1987-07-00 Bruce Bethke
Slush SHORTFICTION   1979-05-00 K. J. Snow
Slush SHORTFICTION  English 1998-00-00 Mary Soon Lee
Slush POEM   1992-05-00 Colleen Anderson
Slush COLLECTION  English 2014-00-00 Glenn Rolfe
Slush Pile Author SHORTFICTION   1994-10-00 Darren O. Godfrey
Slush, Slush, Slush POEM   1955-00-00 Roger Zelazny
Slush-O-Matic SHORTFICTION   1993-00-00 Chuck Rothman
Stupefying Stories: "It Came From The Slushpile" ANTHOLOGY  English 
2010-00-00 Bruce Bethke
Tales from the Slushpile SHORTFICTION  English 1998-00-00 Margaret Ball
The Slushpile Surfer SHORTFICTION   1996-00-00 Michael Andre-Driussi
The Thing from the Slush SHORTFICTION   1982-04-00 George Alec Effinger



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