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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology |
| Date | 2018-04-29 12:24 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20180429c@crcomp.net> (permalink) |
| References | <pc2gf5$eqk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bradbury used to complain that people took Fahrenheit 451 as being about
> censorship when really it was about people abandoning reading for
> television. The government can only start destroying the written word
> because the the public at large has already abandoned recreational
> reading. The minority who still hang on to their love of reading are
> too small to stop it.
>
> There were two other Bradbury stories I can recall which had the same
> thing of the government trying to limit the human mind by limiting the
> written word. In Pillar of Fire in a bright shiny (ie. cold and
> soulless) science fiction future for reasons of "mental health" horror
> stories have all been banned and burned and cemeteries are being given
> the same treatment. A reanimated corpse tries and fails to save his
> resting place and is burned while quoting Poe. Note that the pillar of
> fire is both book and corpse burning and spaceflight.
>
> Then there's The Exiles, where the characters of fantastic fiction who
> now exist on Mars because their books have once again been destroyed by
> a future culture that thinks that fantasy even as fiction can't co-exist
> with spaceships. They vainly try to resist the arrival of the first
> astronauts who merely by setting foot on Mars will dispel the mystery of
> the planet and eradicate the fantasy entities living there.
>
> Then there was the Ghostly Passenger where a "ghost" is dying because
> people don't believe in ghosts now.
>
> And then there was The Murderer which was about addiction to
> communications technology...an update to F 451's "television is evil"
> them.
You have an excellent memory for stories. It took a re-read for me to
remember the book burning aspect to "The Exiles." That's the only story
that you mention, besides _Fahrenheit 451_, that's previously known to
me.
"The Exile" enumerates some fantasy titles soon after it begins.
Some were read by me, a few more were experienced as Hollywood
treatments, and the remainder are unknown to me.
_Tales of Mystery and Imagination_ (Poe) unknown
_Dracula_ (Stoker) treatment
_Frankenstein_ (Shelley) known
_The Turn of the Screw_ (James) unknown
_The Legend of Sleepy Hollow_ (Irving) treatment
_Rappaccini's Daughter_ (Hawthorne) unknown
_An Occurrence at Owl Bridge_ (Bierce) known
_Alice in Wonderland_ (Carroll) known
_The Willows_ (Blackwood) unknown
_The Wizard of Oz_ (Baum) treatment
_The Weird Shadow Over Innsmouth_ (Lovecraft) unknown
Bradbury's one of my favorite authors, for good reason. He paints
pictures in my mind's eye. For instance, this sentence appears in
"The Exile:"
The captain watched the planet Mars grow very large in space.
Now, planets don't grow in the biological sense. Instead they
accrete at a geological pace. It's far too slow for one human to witness
planetary growth in a period of hours. Anyhow, Bradbury's sentence
paints a vivid picture in my mind.
Orwell likes language that uses an active voice to paint a clear
picture and leave a vivid impression behind. On the other hand, he
believes that political speech and writing use lifeless, colorless,
vague, third person passive language to try to defend the indefensible.
[1] Orwell also encourages the use of new metaphor.
"De Motu" (Berkeley) [2] discourages the use of metaphor in
philosophic writing. Watching Mars grow has no place in philosophic
argument because it leads readers to erroneously biomorphize the planet.
Note.
1. http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/
2. ISBN 0460873431
♂
Thank you,
--
Don
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Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-28 13:01 -0600
Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-29 12:24 +0000
Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 14:35 -0400
Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 12:41 -0600
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Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-29 21:47 +0000
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Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-30 16:09 +0000
Re: Ray Bradbury and his issue with technology D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-29 21:29 +0000
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