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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000 |
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Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 20:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 22:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Rick <Rick@nospam.net> - 2025-08-12 09:56 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:59 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:28 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 01:34 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-12 19:26 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 20:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 15:22 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 23:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:21 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-13 19:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 15:51 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-13 21:21 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:41 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:19 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:32 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 15:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 08:30 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 19:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 12:49 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 16:07 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 13:16 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:46 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:11 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:14 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:11 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 10:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:19 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:55 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 13:48 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 10:04 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-16 13:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 22:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 06:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:53 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:03 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 11:19 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:24 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 17:23 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 19:57 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 11:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 15:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-19 10:54 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 20:04 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 18:35 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:27 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:44 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 18:12 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:06 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 16:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 22:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 16:20 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-14 23:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 23:54 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:04 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 15:55 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:40 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:29 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 10:13 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:31 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:53 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 09:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 09:18 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:43 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 07:02 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 13:49 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 11:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:23 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? |
| Message-ID | <107dhf4$2tbf$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone?
1. First they buy it for, oh, say $1000 to choose a simple starting point.
2. Then they pay the sales tax on it, at, oh, say 10% in California.
(+100)
3. Then they buy all the basic hardware that Apple didn't provide.
(Charger, case, screen protector, earbuds at +$100 to +$200)
4. Planning ahead for tomorrow's storage needs at ten times the price!
(Jump from 128GB to 512GB or 1TB at +$300 to +$500)
5. Now it comes time to plan ahead for the crappy batteries to fail.
(Battery replacement or external power bank, +$50 to +$100)
6. So they buy the best warranty that Apple can sell them.
(AppleCare+ Warranty Extended coverage for damage and battery
Which is $1,750 to $2,200, depending on choices and upgrades.
You're essentially buying the iPhone twice. Once for the device,
& again for all that Apple didn't include or made optional.
For this scenario, let's assume a 4-year lifespan where Android owners
typically just buy a new phone, but Apple marketing tells Apple owners to
trade it in, so the vast majority of Apple owners get rid of the old phone.
So what's the cost over 4 years then?
AppleCare+ is sold as a 2-year plan, which you can extend with a monthly
subscription. For an iPhone 16) here's the cost breakdown:
AppleCare+ $7.99/month ~$384 over the 4-year lifespan of the iPhone
AppleCare+ with Theft & Loss $11.49/month ~$552 over the lifespan
Notice if you keep your iPhone for 4 years and stay subscribed, you're
paying nearly half the cost of the phone yet again just for coverage.
Luckily, iPhone owners are trained by App;le marketing to trade them in
so iPhones retain value better than any other smartphone brand.
After 4 years, they lose more than about 1/2 of their original value.
<https://www.applemust.com/iphone-still-holds-value-far-better-than-other-smartphones/>
Assuming you bought the case & screen protector so your iPhone is in good
condition (not cracked or worn), you'd get back around $500 in 4 years.
<https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-much-is-my-iphone-worth/>
+------------------------+----------------+
| Item | Cost |
+------------------------+----------------+
| iPhone | $1,000 |
| Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 |
| Accessories | $150 |
| Storage Upgrade | $300 |
| AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384–$552 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Total Cost | $1,934–$2,102 |
| Trade-In Value | -$500 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,434–$1,602 |
+------------------------+----------------+
Oh. That's interesting. I thought it was twice, but it's closer to 1-1/2
times, but if you have one major and one minor repair, it costs more.
AppleCare+ covers 2 accidental-damage incidents per 12 months, so over 4
years, you could have up to 8 covered incidents, each with a deductible.
Screen or back glass damage: $29 per incident
Other accidental damage: $99 per incident
Theft or loss (if covered): $149 per incident
Let's assume:
1 minor repair (e.g., screen): $29 ($31.90 with California sales tax)
1 major repair (e.g., drop damage): $99 ($108.90 with CA sales tax)
Total repair cost: $128
Here's your cost over the four year life of that iPhone.
+------------------------+----------------+
| Item | Cost |
+------------------------+----------------+
| iPhone | $1,000 |
| Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 |
| Accessories | $150 |
| Storage Upgrade | $300 |
| AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384–$552 |
| Repair Deductibles | $140 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Total Cost | $2,074–$2,242 |
| Trade-In Value | -$500 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,574–$1,742 |
+------------------------+----------------+
Over 4 years, the true cost of ownership for that iPhone, including tax,
accessories, upgrades, AppleCare+ & two repairs comes out to about 1-1/2
about 1-3/4 times the original $1,000 price.
This is good news as before I made these calculations, I had thought it
would be closer to twice the price, so this is better than expected.
What would you contribute to add even more added value to the discussion?
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| From | "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-11 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <xn0p9f8b11wmhi000@reader443.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #197064 |
Marion wrote: >Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? > >1. First they buy it for, oh, say $1000 to choose a simple starting >point. 2. Then they pay the sales tax on it, at, oh, say 10% in >California. (+100) >3. Then they buy all the basic hardware that Apple didn't provide. > (Charger, case, screen protector, earbuds at +$100 to +$200) >4. Planning ahead for tomorrow's storage needs at ten times the price! > (Jump from 128GB to 512GB or 1TB at +$300 to +$500) >5. Now it comes time to plan ahead for the crappy batteries to fail. > (Battery replacement or external power bank, +$50 to +$100) >6. So they buy the best warranty that Apple can sell them. > (AppleCare+ Warranty Extended coverage for damage and battery > >Which is $1,750 to $2,200, depending on choices and upgrades. >You're essentially buying the iPhone twice. Once for the device, >& again for all that Apple didn't include or made optional. > >For this scenario, let's assume a 4-year lifespan where Android owners >typically just buy a new phone, but Apple marketing tells Apple >owners to trade it in, so the vast majority of Apple owners get rid >of the old phone. > >So what's the cost over 4 years then? > >AppleCare+ is sold as a 2-year plan, which you can extend with a >monthly subscription. For an iPhone 16) here's the cost breakdown: > AppleCare+ $7.99/month ~$384 over the 4-year lifespan of the iPhone > AppleCare+ with Theft & Loss $11.49/month ~$552 over the lifespan > >Notice if you keep your iPhone for 4 years and stay subscribed, you're >paying nearly half the cost of the phone yet again just for coverage. > >Luckily, iPhone owners are trained by App;le marketing to trade them >in so iPhones retain value better than any other smartphone brand. > >After 4 years, they lose more than about 1/2 of their original value. > ><https://www.applemust.com/iphone-still-holds-value-far-better-than-other-smartphones/> > >Assuming you bought the case & screen protector so your iPhone is in >good condition (not cracked or worn), you'd get back around $500 in 4 >years. ><https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-much-is-my-iphone-worth/> > > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Item | Cost | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | iPhone | $1,000 | > | Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 | > | Accessories | $150 | > | Storage Upgrade | $300 | > | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384¡V$552 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Total Cost | $1,934¡V$2,102 | > | Trade-In Value | -$500 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,434¡V$1,602 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > >Oh. That's interesting. I thought it was twice, but it's closer to >1-1/2 times, but if you have one major and one minor repair, it costs >more. > >AppleCare+ covers 2 accidental-damage incidents per 12 months, so >over 4 years, you could have up to 8 covered incidents, each with a >deductible. Screen or back glass damage: $29 per incident > Other accidental damage: $99 per incident > Theft or loss (if covered): $149 per incident > >Let's assume: > 1 minor repair (e.g., screen): $29 ($31.90 with California sales tax) > 1 major repair (e.g., drop damage): $99 ($108.90 with CA sales tax) >Total repair cost: $128 > >Here's your cost over the four year life of that iPhone. > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Item | Cost | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | iPhone | $1,000 | > | Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 | > | Accessories | $150 | > | Storage Upgrade | $300 | > | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384¡V$552 | > | Repair Deductibles | $140 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Total Cost | $2,074¡V$2,242 | > | Trade-In Value | -$500 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,574¡V$1,742 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > >Over 4 years, the true cost of ownership for that iPhone, including >tax, accessories, upgrades, AppleCare+ & two repairs comes out to >about 1-1/2 about 1-3/4 times the original $1,000 price. > >This is good news as before I made these calculations, I had thought >it would be closer to twice the price, so this is better than >expected. > >What would you contribute to add even more added value to the >discussion? What if you switched carriers and they gave you an iPhone for "free"? Would that change the ownership cost? Personally I don't purchase AppleCare or all those peripherals. I do pay for 50GB back up services at $0.99/mo. and share that with my wife's account. When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and pushed it back toward me.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-11 22:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107dq4p$303f$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197068 |
On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote : > What if you switched carriers and they gave you an iPhone for "free"? > Would that change the ownership cost? Hi badgolferman, It's good you're thinking as it was intended to be a thought-provoking question, where even I was surprised that, with the trade-in savings, it dropped from about twice the original cost to something less than that. Of course if you get the iPhone for free, the tax is the same (as it's based on the MSRP) but the cost of the phone would be zero (presumably). But everything else stays the same in the calculations so that free phone still costs you from 1/2 to 3/4 of the MSRP it was originally valued at. > Personally I don't purchase AppleCare or all those peripherals. As you probably know, I feel AppleCare+ is a ripoff of the highest order. It's roughly around $384 to $552 over the four years, which is value of the entire phone at the end of those four years (so it's just not worth it). People paid for the AppleCare+ what the p;hone is worth when it breaks. Plus... they still have those deductibles (of around $150 for two repairs). > I do > pay for 50GB back up services at $0.99/mo. and share that with my > wife's account. If you had the choice of an sd card, you might not have done that. I gave my wife and one kid each an sd card to store their stuff on. This is the photo of the first cards I gave them which was only 32GB. <https://i.postimg.cc/9FYksj3z/tmopromo05.jpg> A year or two later when 64GB cards went on sale, I double it for them. Then when I got on Vine, I got 512GB cards for free so they use that now. That's my beef with the lack of basic hardware in the iPhone, which is you have to buy all the storage up front that you'll need for the four years. This is my beef with the "free" absurdly puny 5GB of iCloud storage. Nobody can store all their stuff on that ridiculously puny storage. And, as we discussed in depth, there's no option of an sd card either. So you're stuck paying more - lots and lots more - for storage up front. Apple isn't stupid. There's a good reason their profits are as ungodly high as they are. > When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with > monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special > charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got > up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and > pushed it back toward me. I think I might even remember you telling us that at the time you got it. That might not have been April or May of 2021 though, as at that time the iPhone 12 mini trade in wasn't free. It was ~half price. At least mine was. <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> At that time, as I recall, only the Android phones were free (if you traded in any phone, even a flip phone, that simply had to boot up to the screen). Anyway, one of the biggest wastes of money is that AppleCare+ plan. T-Mobile replaced my Galaxy twice, for free & I didn't pay for anything. In summary, this is intended to be a thought-provoking question of the true costs of iPhones where it will be interesting to see what Steve says.
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| From | Rick <Rick@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 09:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107fh77$39j18$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197069 |
On 8/11/2025 6:16 PM, Marion wrote: > > As you probably know, I feel AppleCare+ is a ripoff of the highest order. > > It's roughly around $384 to $552 over the four years, which is value of the > entire phone at the end of those four years (so it's just not worth it). > > People paid for the AppleCare+ what the p;hone is worth when it breaks. > Plus... they still have those deductibles (of around $150 for two repairs). Apple Care is a ripoff in the same sense that term life insurance is a ripoff. When people buy life insurance they are essentially making a bet that they are going to die within a specified time period. The overwhelming majority of life insurance buyers don't die within that period, so they essentially lose the bet. That doesn't make life insurance a bad purchase since it does buy peace of mind and not having to worry about the worst case situation of dying within the coverage period. That, by the way, is a big part of why insurance companies make money. Apple Care is conceptually no different. When people buy it they are making a bet that something major will happen to their phone during the coverage period. In most cases, it costs more to buy the coverage than the actual loss, but it does buy peace of mind for those who don't want the unexpected possible cost of buying a new phone.
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 09:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107fhc4$38sh9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197081 |
On 08/12/2025 09:56, Rick wrote: > On 8/11/2025 6:16 PM, Marion wrote: > >> >> As you probably know, I feel AppleCare+ is a ripoff of the highest order. >> >> It's roughly around $384 to $552 over the four years, which is value >> of the >> entire phone at the end of those four years (so it's just not worth it). >> >> People paid for the AppleCare+ what the p;hone is worth when it breaks. >> Plus... they still have those deductibles (of around $150 for two >> repairs). > > Apple Care is a ripoff in the same sense that term life insurance is a > ripoff. When people buy life insurance they are essentially making a > bet that they are going to die within a specified time period. The > overwhelming majority of life insurance buyers don't die within that > period, so they essentially lose the bet. That doesn't make life > insurance a bad purchase since it does buy peace of mind and not having > to worry about the worst case situation of dying within the coverage > period. That, by the way, is a big part of why insurance companies make > money. > > Apple Care is conceptually no different. When people buy it they are > making a bet that something major will happen to their phone during the > coverage period. In most cases, it costs more to buy the coverage than > the actual loss, but it does buy peace of mind for those who don't want > the unexpected possible cost of buying a new phone. > Insurance is one of those products you buy hoping to never use.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107hd2j$3olgo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197082 |
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: > On 08/12/2025 09:56, Rick wrote: >> On 8/11/2025 6:16 PM, Marion wrote: >> >>> >>> As you probably know, I feel AppleCare+ is a ripoff of the highest order. >>> >>> It's roughly around $384 to $552 over the four years, which is value >>> of the >>> entire phone at the end of those four years (so it's just not worth it). >>> >>> People paid for the AppleCare+ what the p;hone is worth when it breaks. >>> Plus... they still have those deductibles (of around $150 for two >>> repairs). >> >> Apple Care is a ripoff in the same sense that term life insurance is a >> ripoff. When people buy life insurance they are essentially making a >> bet that they are going to die within a specified time period. The >> overwhelming majority of life insurance buyers don't die within that >> period, so they essentially lose the bet. That doesn't make life >> insurance a bad purchase since it does buy peace of mind and not having >> to worry about the worst case situation of dying within the coverage >> period. That, by the way, is a big part of why insurance companies make >> money. >> >> Apple Care is conceptually no different. When people buy it they are >> making a bet that something major will happen to their phone during the >> coverage period. In most cases, it costs more to buy the coverage than >> the actual loss, but it does buy peace of mind for those who don't want >> the unexpected possible cost of buying a new phone. >> > > Insurance is one of those products you buy hoping to never use. The insurance companies feel exactly the same way.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-11 17:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107e1s8$2v020$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197068 |
On 2025-08-11 13:38, badgolferman wrote: > Marion wrote: > >> Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? >> >> 1. First they buy it for, oh, say $1000 to choose a simple starting >> point. 2. Then they pay the sales tax on it, at, oh, say 10% in >> California. (+100) >> 3. Then they buy all the basic hardware that Apple didn't provide. >> (Charger, case, screen protector, earbuds at +$100 to +$200) >> 4. Planning ahead for tomorrow's storage needs at ten times the price! >> (Jump from 128GB to 512GB or 1TB at +$300 to +$500) >> 5. Now it comes time to plan ahead for the crappy batteries to fail. >> (Battery replacement or external power bank, +$50 to +$100) >> 6. So they buy the best warranty that Apple can sell them. >> (AppleCare+ Warranty Extended coverage for damage and battery >> >> Which is $1,750 to $2,200, depending on choices and upgrades. >> You're essentially buying the iPhone twice. Once for the device, >> & again for all that Apple didn't include or made optional. >> >> For this scenario, let's assume a 4-year lifespan where Android owners >> typically just buy a new phone, but Apple marketing tells Apple >> owners to trade it in, so the vast majority of Apple owners get rid >> of the old phone. >> >> So what's the cost over 4 years then? >> >> AppleCare+ is sold as a 2-year plan, which you can extend with a >> monthly subscription. For an iPhone 16) here's the cost breakdown: >> AppleCare+ $7.99/month ~$384 over the 4-year lifespan of the iPhone >> AppleCare+ with Theft & Loss $11.49/month ~$552 over the lifespan >> >> Notice if you keep your iPhone for 4 years and stay subscribed, you're >> paying nearly half the cost of the phone yet again just for coverage. >> >> Luckily, iPhone owners are trained by App;le marketing to trade them >> in so iPhones retain value better than any other smartphone brand. >> >> After 4 years, they lose more than about 1/2 of their original value. >> >> <https://www.applemust.com/iphone-still-holds-value-far-better-than-other-smartphones/> >> >> Assuming you bought the case & screen protector so your iPhone is in >> good condition (not cracked or worn), you'd get back around $500 in 4 >> years. >> <https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-much-is-my-iphone-worth/> >> >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Item | Cost | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | iPhone | $1,000 | >> | Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 | >> | Accessories | $150 | >> | Storage Upgrade | $300 | >> | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384¡V$552 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Total Cost | $1,934¡V$2,102 | >> | Trade-In Value | -$500 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,434¡V$1,602 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> >> Oh. That's interesting. I thought it was twice, but it's closer to >> 1-1/2 times, but if you have one major and one minor repair, it costs >> more. >> >> AppleCare+ covers 2 accidental-damage incidents per 12 months, so >> over 4 years, you could have up to 8 covered incidents, each with a >> deductible. Screen or back glass damage: $29 per incident >> Other accidental damage: $99 per incident >> Theft or loss (if covered): $149 per incident >> >> Let's assume: >> 1 minor repair (e.g., screen): $29 ($31.90 with California sales tax) >> 1 major repair (e.g., drop damage): $99 ($108.90 with CA sales tax) >> Total repair cost: $128 >> >> Here's your cost over the four year life of that iPhone. >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Item | Cost | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | iPhone | $1,000 | >> | Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 | >> | Accessories | $150 | >> | Storage Upgrade | $300 | >> | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384¡V$552 | >> | Repair Deductibles | $140 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Total Cost | $2,074¡V$2,242 | >> | Trade-In Value | -$500 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,574¡V$1,742 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> >> Over 4 years, the true cost of ownership for that iPhone, including >> tax, accessories, upgrades, AppleCare+ & two repairs comes out to >> about 1-1/2 about 1-3/4 times the original $1,000 price. >> >> This is good news as before I made these calculations, I had thought >> it would be closer to twice the price, so this is better than >> expected. >> >> What would you contribute to add even more added value to the >> discussion? > > > What if you switched carriers and they gave you an iPhone for "free"? > Would that change the ownership cost? > > Personally I don't purchase AppleCare or all those peripherals. I do > pay for 50GB back up services at $0.99/mo. and share that with my > wife's account. > > When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with > monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special > charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got > up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and > pushed it back toward me. > Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling?
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 01:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <b0-dnaavGoIdDwf1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #197073 |
On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >> pushed it back toward me. >> > > Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. Like Arlen, he knows nothing about iPhones/iOS/iPads. He is an Arlen sock puppet.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 01:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107e5nc$439$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197074 |
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone wrote : >> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? > > For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". > Any USB charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. Tyrone, Why is it that MAGA trolls know absolutely nothing about Apple products? Apple *never* put the correct charger for an iPhone ever, in the box. Think about that fact. You paid dearly with tons of money for a phone that could do fast charging. As you're well aware, Apple's basic strategy is to remove functionality. This is so that you must scramble to buy all that lost functionality back. Apple makes a *lot* of money when you buy all that lost functionality back. Yet, Apple brazenly lied that everyone already had the correct charger. Apple has *never* supplied the correct charger in any iPhone box. Ever. The *minimum correct charger, by the way, is 20 Watts, says Apple herself. "For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 watts, such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter." <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/power-adapters-iph8c1e31583/ios> Having shown the MAGA trolls what Apple says about the correct charger, the question here is designed as a thoughtful question about overall costs. It's a perfectly valid thought-provoking logically sensible thing to ask. How many times the original price does a typical iPhone cost its owners?
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 19:26 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <107eqap$3499r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197074 |
On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: > On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >>> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >>> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >>> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >>> pushed it back toward me. >> >> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? > > For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB > charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range available is pretty large. Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables from weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). > Like Arlen, he knows nothing about iPhones/iOS/iPads. He is an Arlen sock > puppet.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 20:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8icnfg5g4fTNgb1nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #197077 |
On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >>>> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >>>> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >>>> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >>>> pushed it back toward me. >>> >>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? >> >> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB >> charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. > > Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, > damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make > sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range > available is pretty large. > > Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables from > weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on iPhones and iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. You don't need a "special charger" for any iPhone.
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| From | "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 21:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <xn0p9go2f1ixgms000@reader443.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #197092 |
Tyrone wrote: >On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >wrote: > >> On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >>> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> >>>wrote: >>>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it >>>>>with monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I >>>>>needed a special charger at an additional price I pushed the >>>>>phone back at them and got up to leave. That's when they >>>>>put a new charger on the phone and pushed it back toward me. >>>> >>>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his >>>>post, Quisling? >>> >>> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special >>>charger". Any USB charger (or battery pack) works fine with an >>>iPhone. >> >> Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, >> damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make >> sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range >> available is pretty large. >> >> Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables >>from weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). > >The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. > >The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on >iPhones and iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. >You don't need a "special charger" for any iPhone. The "special charger" was something other than the 1 watt chargers we used for iPhones at the time.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 14:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107gcce$3hstd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197093 |
On 2025-08-12 14:22, badgolferman wrote: > Tyrone wrote: > >> On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it >>>>>> with monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I >>>>>> needed a special charger at an additional price I pushed the >>>>>> phone back at them and got up to leave. That's when they >>>>>> put a new charger on the phone and pushed it back toward me. >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his >>>>> post, Quisling? >>>> >>>> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special >>>> charger". Any USB charger (or battery pack) works fine with an >>>> iPhone. >>> >>> Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, >>> damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make >>> sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range >>> available is pretty large. >>> >>> Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables >> >from weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). >> >> The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. >> >> The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on >> iPhones and iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. >> You don't need a "special charger" for any iPhone. > > > The "special charger" was something other than the 1 watt chargers we > used for iPhones at the time. See... ...this is where the bullshit continues. There was never a "1 watt charger" for the iPhone.
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| From | "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 21:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <xn0p9gojc1jlxpj001@reader443.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #197095 |
Alan wrote: >>The "special charger" was something other than the 1 watt chargers >>we used for iPhones at the time. > >See... ...this is where the bullshit continues. > >There was never a "1 watt charger" for the iPhone. Sorry, I meant the 1 amp chargers.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 15:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107ger8$3ipeu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197096 |
On 2025-08-12 14:41, badgolferman wrote: > Alan wrote: > >>> The "special charger" was something other than the 1 watt chargers >>> we used for iPhones at the time. >> >> See... ...this is where the bullshit continues. >> >> There was never a "1 watt charger" for the iPhone. > > > Sorry, I meant the 1 amp chargers. No worries.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-12 23:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107ghdv$10jg$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197096 |
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 21:41:50 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
>>>The "special charger" was something other than the 1 watt chargers
>>>we used for iPhones at the time.
>>
>>See... ...this is where the bullshit continues.
>>
>>There was never a "1 watt charger" for the iPhone.
>
> Sorry, I meant the 1 amp chargers.
It's always the case how desperate the Apple trolls are to latch on to what
was a minor thinko on your part as they feel it's a "victory" for the
dumbshits like Alan Baker to have found you made a typo-like mistake.
FWIT, everyone who is an adult easily understood what you had meant, where
the USB-A 5W (1A 5V) chargers are now only useful for things like LED lamps
& flashlights & maybe earbuds, but no longer for modern QC/PD phones.
The QC/PD standards are also proof that what Tyrone is claiming is absurd
since without those standards (which the 5-watt brick doesn't support),
you'll never get the iPhone charging speeds that you paid dearly for.
Worse, iPhones (from iPhone 8 onward) support USB Power Delivery, not QC.
Tyrone has no idea that there are these conflicting QC & PD standards.
Older QC versions (e.g., QC 3.0) do not support PD and may not fast charge
PD-only devices (although QC 4.0 and newer versions support USB PD, making
them a bit more compatible with PD devices such as iPhones are).
Using a QC-only charger (especially QC 2.0 or 3.0) may result in:
a. Slow charging (fallback to basic USB speeds)
b. No charging at all in some cases, depending on the charger's design
c. Inconsistent behavior, like needing a restart to initiate charging
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254559297?sortBy=rank>
<https://www.simplymac.com/iphone/what-to-do-if-your-iphone-is-not-charging-when-plugged-in>
But the point is Apple lied at the time they said everyone had the correct
charger since the correct charger had never been put in any iPhone box.
Since then though, we've all bought high-power chargers, so it's less of an
issue now than it was when Apple hastily removed the basic functionality,
and then lied about why.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107hd2l$3olgo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197092 |
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote: > On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >>> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >>>>> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >>>>> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >>>>> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >>>>> pushed it back toward me. >>>> >>>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? >>> >>> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB >>> charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. >> >> Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, >> damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make >> sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range >> available is pretty large. >> >> Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables from >> weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). > > The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. > > The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on iPhones and > iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. You don't need a > "special charger" for any iPhone. Correct and as long as it's got the right connection there's no such thing as the "wrong" one. They will all work. Some will be faster than others YMMV.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 07:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107i71s$3u1sl$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197101 |
On 2025-08-12 23:58, Chris wrote: > Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote: >> On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >>>>>> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >>>>>> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >>>>>> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >>>>>> pushed it back toward me. >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? >>>> >>>> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB >>>> charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. >>> >>> Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, >>> damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make >>> sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range >>> available is pretty large. >>> >>> Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables from >>> weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). >> >> The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. >> >> The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on iPhones and >> iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. You don't need a >> "special charger" for any iPhone. > > Correct and as long as it's got the right connection there's no such thing > as the "wrong" one. They will all work. Some will be faster than others > YMMV. > Do you know, not a single power tool I've ever bought is sold with a "correct" extension cord? The bastards make you buy it yourself! Can you imagine? 😋
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 19:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mg4618F75apU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #197101 |
On 2025-08-13, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: > Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote: >> On Aug 12, 2025 at 3:26:17 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2025-08-12 01:01:52 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>> On Aug 11, 2025 at 8:28:56 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> When I bought my iPhone 14 from T-mobile they "paid" for it with >>>>>> monthly discounts on my bill. When I found out I needed a special >>>>>> charger at an additional price I pushed the phone back at them and got >>>>>> up to leave. That's when they put a new charger on the phone and >>>>>> pushed it back toward me. >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you address any of the bullshit he spouts in his post, Quisling? >>>> >>>> For the same reason he spouted bullshit about the "special charger". Any USB >>>> charger (or battery pack) works fine with an iPhone. >>> >>> Yes and no. Using the "wrong" charger can result in slow charging, >>> damage to the device, or even cause a fire. So, you do have to make >>> sure to get a "correct" charger for you device model, but the range >>> available is pretty large. >>> >>> Mainly stay well away from el cheapo, no-name chargers and cables from >>> weird Asian stores (both online and on the high street). >> >> The same can be said for using cheap chargers on ANY device. >> >> The point is, I have used Samsung, Dell and HP USB chargers on iPhones and >> iPads. I have used various battery packs. All work fine. You don't need a >> "special charger" for any iPhone. > > Correct and as long as it's got the right connection there's no such thing > as the "wrong" one. They will all work. Some will be faster than others > YMMV. Marion (Arlen) and his best bud badgolferboy desperately want to pretend "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete and utter bullshit. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 15:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107iqbj$gf1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197110 |
On 8/13/25 15:06, Jolly Roger wrote: > ... > Marion (Arlen) and his best bud badgolferboy desperately want to pretend > "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete > and utter bullshit. Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment /s -hh
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