Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > misc.phone.mobile.iphone > #193821 > unrolled thread

listening

Back to article view | Back to misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Contents

  listening badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 21:41 +0000
    Re: listening Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:42 -0700
      Re: listening Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-22 23:56 -0400
      Re: listening badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 11:26 +0000
        Re: listening Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-23 17:36 +0000
          Re: listening badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:50 +0000
            Re: listening Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-23 18:12 +0000
              Re: listening "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:43 +0000
        Re: listening Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:48 -0700
          Re: listening Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-25 07:27 +0100
          Re: listening badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 09:25 +0000
            Re: listening Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-25 13:31 +0100
            Re: listening Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 08:57 -0700
    Re: listening Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-23 11:05 +0100
    Re: listening Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-23 17:29 +0000

#193821 — listening

Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one. 

Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
“GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
settings should I check?

I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced. 

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#193827

On 2025-03-22 14:41, badgolferman wrote:
> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one.
> 
> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
> “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
> settings should I check?
> 
> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.

Ah!

Paranoia!

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193831

In article <vrnseo$18oag$6@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> 
wrote:

> On 2025-03-22 14:41, badgolferman wrote:
> > Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
> > my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
> > changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
> > 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one.
> > 
> > Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
> > “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
> > settings should I check?
> > 
> > I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
> > not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
> > searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.
> 
> Ah!
> 
> Paranoia!

Sounds more like iParanoia.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193837

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-22 14:41, badgolferman wrote:
>> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
>> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
>> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
>> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one.
>> 
>> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
>> “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
>> settings should I check?
>> 
>> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
>> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
>> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.
> 
> Ah!
> 
> Paranoia!
> 
> 

Regardless of whether you think I’m paranoid, this incident still happened.
Even my wife has complained about exactly such things happening except with
apps like Facebook and others. 

So how and why does this happen? What possible settings could be involved
that Google knows what I’ve been talking about to others in my garage?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193842

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 11:26:31 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


> Regardless of whether you think I'm paranoid, this incident still happened.
> Even my wife has complained about exactly such things happening except with
> apps like Facebook and others. 
> 
> So how and why does this happen? What possible settings could be involved
> that Google knows what I've been talking about to others in my garage?

Hi badgolferman,

Elsewhere I responded to your query, like an adult would have responded.

As for this tangent from, apparently, the canonical Apple troll, Alan,
you have to remember the Apple trolls you're responding to are herd
animals. They don't have any original thought processes of their own.

They know nothing about anything.
So they fear people who do know something.

So while it's completely normal for people on all the normal operating
systems newsgroups to ask similar questions, it's anathema to Apple trolls.

The Apple trolls are so afraid of your question, that their only response,
childish as it is, is to *attack you* simply for asking the question.

Apple trolls live in abject fear because that's what herd animals are.
Herd animals react in groups to every possible perceived threats.

Have you noticed that the Apple trolls act exactly like herd animals do?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193843

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 11:26:31 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
> 
> 
>> Regardless of whether you think I'm paranoid, this incident still happened.
>> Even my wife has complained about exactly such things happening except with
>> apps like Facebook and others. 
>> 
>> So how and why does this happen? What possible settings could be involved
>> that Google knows what I've been talking about to others in my garage?
> 
> Hi badgolferman,
> 
> Elsewhere I responded to your query, like an adult would have responded.
> 
> As for this tangent from, apparently, the canonical Apple troll, Alan,
> you have to remember the Apple trolls you're responding to are herd
> animals. They don't have any original thought processes of their own.
> 
> They know nothing about anything.
> So they fear people who do know something.
> 
> So while it's completely normal for people on all the normal operating
> systems newsgroups to ask similar questions, it's anathema to Apple trolls.
> 
> The Apple trolls are so afraid of your question, that their only response,
> childish as it is, is to *attack you* simply for asking the question.
> 
> Apple trolls live in abject fear because that's what herd animals are.
> Herd animals react in groups to every possible perceived threats.
> 
> Have you noticed that the Apple trolls act exactly like herd animals do?
> 

It’s amazing to me that the three who responded  accused me of being
paranoid or a liar. If they really believe that then at least explain why
you think that way. Surely I can’t be the only person here who’s
experienced such a thing. I don’t even understand why these people hang out
in this group if it’s not for the exchange of information and being helpful
to each other. 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193846

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 17:50:26 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


>> Have you noticed that the Apple trolls act exactly like herd animals do?
>> 
> 
> It's amazing to me that the three who responded  accused me of being
> paranoid or a liar. If they really believe that then at least explain why
> you think that way. Surely I can't be the only person here who's
> experienced such a thing. I don't even understand why these people hang out
> in this group if it's not for the exchange of information and being helpful
> to each other.

I only saw one person's response, whom I suspect is Alan Baker's nym, but
nonetheless I certainly believe you as the herd doesn't like your question.

I saw Alan Baker's attack on you in your quoted response, so if three
"people" responded, I'm already quite sure they all attacked you.

That's how herd animals prevent you from asking questions in the future.

Anyway, adults would simple either try to help you, or, if the adult can't
help you, the adult let's someone else help you (and doesn't respond).

When adults try to help you, they can learn from the resuls, but you'll
notice the herd animals don't even try to help (or to learn).

All they do is attack you.

Anyway, I tried to help you by first explaining that your question is
commonly asked on normal operating system newsgroups. Just last week we
were discussing similar topics - so it's not a "paranoia". It's normal.

As for the iPhone, while possible, the timing of the video appearing in
your feed so soon after your conversation is certainly possibly suspicious.

Let's ignore the Apple trolls' repetitively childish attempts to shut your
question down and work on answers for you. Do you have Siri working? 

Apparently, even if you haven't directly used Siri to search, it actively
listens for its wake phrase ("Hey Siri"). It's maybe perhaps possible that
during your conversation, Siri interpreted certain words or phrases (like
"Goldwing," "alternator," or "GL1800") as potential search queries????

If so, then Siri's contextual awareness could then influence your YouTube
recommendations, even without a direct search having been done by you.

In addition, YouTube's algorithm is known to be extremely sophisticated and
considers numerous factors, including your viewing history (even if it's
unrelated and, get this, it uses the viewing history of people with similar
interests. Yup. Who knew. Not me. I looked it up. 

Apparently YouTube also uses the content of videos you've previously
interacted with even if you haven't searched for "GL1800 alternator".

YouTube, apparently, can infer your interest based on other
motorcycle-related content you may have watched.

Oddly, and shockingly, it turn out, Google might even use your location,
and the location of other people near you, that watch similar content, to
determine what to feed you.

It is possible that the algorithm has correlated the location of you and
your friend by bluetooth proximity, and then correlated that with the
location of other people that watch those videos.

For example, if your friend's phone was nearby and he had previously
searched for or watched videos related to bike alternators, it's possible
that YouTube's algorithm factored in this proximity since modern
advertising and content delivery can both use bluetooth to determine close
proximity of devices.

It's not likely in your case, but if you and your friend were on the same
Wi-Fi network or using the same internet connection, YouTube may have
correlated your activity (which is how it ties family members together).

Here is a link to a youtube blog about some of what I found out above.
 <https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/on-youtubes-recommendation-system/>

Here is a link to a website that explains how the youtube algorithm works. 
 <https://blog.hootsuite.com/youtube-algorithm/>
-- 
Note that the energy I put into this one post is more helpful energy than
Alan Baker has invested in all the posts he's made in his entire life.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193853

Marion wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 17:50:26 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
>
>
>>>Have you noticed that the Apple trolls act exactly like herd
>>>animals do?
>>>
>>
>>It's amazing to me that the three who responded  accused me of being
>>paranoid or a liar. If they really believe that then at least
>>explain why you think that way. Surely I can't be the only person
>>here who's experienced such a thing. I don't even understand why
>>these people hang out in this group if it's not for the exchange of
>>information and being helpful to each other.
>
>I only saw one person's response, whom I suspect is Alan Baker's nym,
>but nonetheless I certainly believe you as the herd doesn't like your
>question.
>
>I saw Alan Baker's attack on you in your quoted response, so if three
>"people" responded, I'm already quite sure they all attacked you.
>
>That's how herd animals prevent you from asking questions in the
>future.
>
>Anyway, adults would simple either try to help you, or, if the adult
>can't help you, the adult let's someone else help you (and doesn't
>respond).
>
>When adults try to help you, they can learn from the resuls, but
>you'll notice the herd animals don't even try to help (or to learn).
>
>All they do is attack you.
>
>Anyway, I tried to help you by first explaining that your question is
>commonly asked on normal operating system newsgroups. Just last week
>we were discussing similar topics - so it's not a "paranoia". It's
>normal.
>
>As for the iPhone, while possible, the timing of the video appearing
>in your feed so soon after your conversation is certainly possibly
>suspicious.
>
>Let's ignore the Apple trolls' repetitively childish attempts to shut
>your question down and work on answers for you. Do you have Siri
>working?  Apparently, even if you haven't directly used Siri to
>search, it actively listens for its wake phrase ("Hey Siri"). It's
>maybe perhaps possible that during your conversation, Siri
>interpreted certain words or phrases (like "Goldwing," "alternator,"
>or "GL1800") as potential search queries????
>
>If so, then Siri's contextual awareness could then influence your
>YouTube recommendations, even without a direct search having been
>done by you.
>
>In addition, YouTube's algorithm is known to be extremely
>sophisticated and considers numerous factors, including your viewing
>history (even if it's unrelated and, get this, it uses the viewing
>history of people with similar interests. Yup. Who knew. Not me. I
>looked it up.  Apparently YouTube also uses the content of videos
>you've previously interacted with even if you haven't searched for
>"GL1800 alternator".
>
>YouTube, apparently, can infer your interest based on other
>motorcycle-related content you may have watched.
>
>Oddly, and shockingly, it turn out, Google might even use your
>location, and the location of other people near you, that watch
>similar content, to determine what to feed you.
>
>It is possible that the algorithm has correlated the location of you
>and your friend by bluetooth proximity, and then correlated that with
>the location of other people that watch those videos.
>
>For example, if your friend's phone was nearby and he had previously
>searched for or watched videos related to bike alternators, it's
>possible that YouTube's algorithm factored in this proximity since
>modern advertising and content delivery can both use bluetooth to
>determine close proximity of devices.
>
>It's not likely in your case, but if you and your friend were on the
>same Wi-Fi network or using the same internet connection, YouTube may
>have correlated your activity (which is how it ties family members
>together).
>
>Here is a link to a youtube blog about some of what I found out above.
><https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/on-youtubes-recommendation-system/>
>
>Here is a link to a website that explains how the youtube algorithm
>works.  <https://blog.hootsuite.com/youtube-algorithm/>


I suppose what you say about Siri is possible, but how would Google
know what Siri heard when I asked my friend if he had changed the
alternator?  We didn't even use "Goldwing" or "GL1800" in our
conversation either.

My most recent searches were on how to change the cabin air filter in
my wife's Mercedes GLC300.  I didn't even know they have two filters
for the cabin air -- one in the engine bay and one in the passenger
compartment.  The inside one is the most convoluted and difficult cabin
air filter I've ever tried to change.  The carpet has to be pulled up
to make room for the wheel well panels to come out before you can get
to the panel door which has four sliding latches that keep the filter
in place.  That panel is so hard to put back in becaue you've got to
get all four latches lined up while the filter is pushing against it
before you can slide them in the locked position.  Just leave it to the
Germans to complicate such an easy task!

Here are the responses I got:

Alan wrote:
>Ah!
>Paranoia!

Johnny LaRue wrote:
>Sounds more like iParanoia.

Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>Either you are telling untrue stories or you believe in conspiracy
>theories.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193900

On 2025-03-23 04:26, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-22 14:41, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
>>> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
>>> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
>>> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one.
>>>
>>> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
>>> “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
>>> settings should I check?
>>>
>>> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
>>> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
>>> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.
>>
>> Ah!
>>
>> Paranoia!
>>
>>
> 
> Regardless of whether you think I’m paranoid, this incident still happened.
> Even my wife has complained about exactly such things happening except with
> apps like Facebook and others.
> 
> So how and why does this happen? What possible settings could be involved
> that Google knows what I’ve been talking about to others in my garage?
> 

Or you just forgot a search you did.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193943

On 25.03.25 01:48, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-03-23 04:26, badgolferman wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-22 14:41, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
>>>> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
>>>> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
>>>> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one.
>>>>
>>>> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
>>>> “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
>>>> settings should I check?
>>>>
>>>> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
>>>> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
>>>> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.
>>>
>>> Ah!
>>>
>>> Paranoia!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Regardless of whether you think I’m paranoid, this incident still happened.
>> Even my wife has complained about exactly such things happening except with
>> apps like Facebook and others.
>>
>> So how and why does this happen? What possible settings could be involved
>> that Google knows what I’ve been talking about to others in my garage?
>>
> 
> Or you just forgot a search you did.

+1

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193949

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Or you just forgot a search you did.
> 


Arlen is right about you. You’re just here to fuck with people. If you were
here to be helpful you would just provide the link to your search results
rather than be a smug asshole. Even Jolly Roger would occasionally provide
some useful information. 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193950

On 25.03.25 10:25, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Or you just forgot a search you did.
>>
> 
> 
> Arlen is right about you. You’re just here to fuck with people. If you were
> here to be helpful you would just provide the link to your search results
> rather than be a smug asshole. Even Jolly Roger would occasionally provide
> some useful information.

You do not understand Alan's post.
Your capabilities are completely insufficient for such a technical group.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193961

On 2025-03-25 02:25, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Or you just forgot a search you did.
>>
> 
> 
> Arlen is right about you. You’re just here to fuck with people. If you were
> here to be helpful you would just provide the link to your search results
> rather than be a smug asshole. Even Jolly Roger would occasionally provide
> some useful information.

Read what I wrote again, and here are some search results for you:

<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=occam%27s+razor&t=osx&ia=web>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Occam's%20razor

https://conceptually.org/concepts/occams-razor

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193836

On 22.03.25 22:41, badgolferman wrote:
> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one. 
> 
> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
> “GL1800 alternator replacement”. How does this happen and what apps or iOS
> settings should I check?
> 
> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced. 

Either you are telling untrue stories or you believe in conspiracy theories.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#193841

On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:41:37 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


> Yesterday my friend who sold me the 2002 Honda Goldwing GL1800 showed up at
> my house while I was working on the motorcycle. I asked him if he had ever
> changed the alternator on this bike and he told me had changed it on the
> 2008 Goldwing he once owned, but not this one. 
> 
> Today while I was watching YouTube, a video showed up in the feed titled
> "GL1800 alternator replacement". How does this happen and what apps or iOS
> settings should I check?
> 
> I have Chrome and YouTube, but the microphone is disabled for both. I do
> not have Google Search app. The microphone for Siri is enabled. I have not
> searched for this video and do not need the alternator replaced.

Hi badgolferman,

Yours is a very good question & rather important to get to the bottom of.

I can't say what happened, but I can say that your experience is common
that something you said or did is tracked by Google & then used, by Google
to feed you Google materials (in this case, apparently, a video) about it.

Of course, if/when you watch that video, that's when Google can insert
targeted advertisements from Google, so it's in Google's vested interest.

For example, recently we covered the DSID cookie on Android phones, which
essentially tracks everything people do with their web browsers, even when
those people go to non-Google sites (it doesn't on my phone though).
 *Google Android "DSID" cookie, Android ID & Android System SafetyCore*
 <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/JedCXG9A/google-android-dsid-cookie-android-id-android-system-safetycore>

At least on Android, Google uses the information about you to "feed" you
things it thinks you'll be interested in (and which it has ads inserted).
 *Google nag to turn Google Discover on*
 <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/6UMMBRiy/google-nag-to-turn-discover-on>

Of course, in addition to having the DSID deleted, I've deleted that too.
 *How to delete Google Discover from both your user & work profile*
 <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/KZuy78ga/how-to-delete-google-discover-from-both-your-user-work-profile>

Having said that, none of that *directly* applies to iOS, but it does show
that Google has pernicious ways to insert "stuff" into what you see.

At least on Android, it does.

I'm sorry I can't tell you more about it doing that for iOS but I'll look
it up for you if I get a chance and update this with iOS-specific data.

BTW, I've rewound a Suzuki GS650EX alternator in the olden days and I've
replaced the sulfuric acid in its battery. Both worked. For a while. :)

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | misc.phone.mobile.iphone

csiph-web