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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700 |
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Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 20:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 22:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Rick <Rick@nospam.net> - 2025-08-12 09:56 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:59 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:28 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 01:34 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-12 19:26 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 20:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 15:22 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 23:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:21 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-13 19:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 15:51 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-13 21:21 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:41 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:19 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:32 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 15:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 08:30 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 19:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 12:49 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 16:07 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 13:16 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:46 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:11 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:14 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:11 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 10:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:19 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:55 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 13:48 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 10:04 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-16 13:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 22:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 06:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:53 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:03 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 11:19 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:24 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 17:23 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 19:57 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 11:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 15:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-19 10:54 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 20:04 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 18:35 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:27 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:44 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 18:12 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:06 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 16:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 22:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 16:20 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-14 23:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 23:54 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:04 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 15:55 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:40 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:29 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 10:13 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:31 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:53 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 09:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 09:18 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:43 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 07:02 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 13:49 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 11:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:23 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 21:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107ivl2$k5j$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197114 |
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : > desperately want to pretend >> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >> and utter bullshit. > > Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... > > ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/power-adapters-iph8c1e31583/ios> "For fast charging, iPhone 12, iPhone SE (3rd generation), and later models require a power adapter with a minimum power output of 20 Watts, such as the Apple 20W USB power adapter." Note that Apple (yet again) brazenly lied to everyone in October 2020 about why they removed the charger and still raised the selling price. <https://hellosmartlife.com/why-dont-iphones-come-with-chargers/> Apple never tells the truth, except in court, and we now know from the contempt decision, that even in court Apple brazenly lies to them. Apple lied left and right about why they removed the basic functionality. "Apple is also removing the power adapter and EarPods from iPhone packaging, further reducing carbon emissions [which is a lie] and avoiding the mining and use of precious materials [which is another lie], which enables smaller and lighter packaging, and allows for 70 percent more boxes to be shipped on a pallet." [which increases Apple's profits] <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252030616?sortBy=rank> The fact is Apple never bundled a 20W USB-C charger (i.e., the one required for fast charging on modern iPhones) with any iPhone model. Even before the iPhone 12, and even after. Apple lied that everyone had the right charger. In the box with iPhones came were 5W USB-A chargers, which were slow and outdated by the time fast charging became standard. Worse, the USB-C to Lightning cable included with newer iPhones couldn't even be used with older Apple chargers unless users bought a new adapter. So when Apple said users already had the right chargers, they lied. Apple always removes basic functionality so that you must buy it back.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 14:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107j1ko$4fjo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197116 |
On 2025-08-13 14:21, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >> desperately want to pretend >>> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >>> and utter bullshit. >> >> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >> >> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment > > Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast > charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? False dichotomy.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 18:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107j462$597u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197118 |
On 8/13/25 17:55, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-13 14:21, Marion wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >> >> >>> desperately want to pretend >>>> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >>>> and utter bullshit. >>> >>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>> >>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >> >> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast >> charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? > > False dichotomy. And/Or a disingenuous goalpost move. In any event, happened to see this today...it actually quantifies some elements that I'd mentioned a few days ago. <https://www.designveloper.com/blog/android-vs-iphone-users/> Of relevance to the "everything's a rip-off" troll, is: "On average, iPhone users have a higher income compared to Android users....an average salary of USD 53,251, whereas Android users earn a lower compensation of USD 37,040." $53K/$37K = a +43.8% higher average income for iPhone customers. That delta easily pays for AppleCare .. and a new charger /s -hh
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 04:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107jpgv$27v8$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197123 |
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 18:38:58 -0400, -hh wrote : > "On average, iPhone users have a higher income compared to Android > users.... Heh heh heh... you do know 3/4 of the world uses Android devices, right? You Apple trolls are *desperate* to consider yourselves an "elite" herd. a. You do realize only rich countries have high iPhone ownership, right? b. You do realize most of the world is on Android, right? c. And that the US has higher income than most other countries, right? Since the iPHone is a brain dead dumb terminal, almost nothing works unless you have full-time access to the Cupertino Matrix, which the USA & EU has. But most of the people in the world can't afford to be connected to Apple's servers every moment of their lives - just so that their phones can work. Only people in the richest countries with full-time Internet can afford Apple's dumb-terminal model for the brain-dead iPhone and iPad devices.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 10:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107l73i$iqj8$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197125 |
On 2025-08-13 21:43, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 18:38:58 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >> "On average, iPhone users have a higher income compared to Android >> users.... > > Heh heh heh... you do know 3/4 of the world uses Android devices, right? > > You Apple trolls are *desperate* to consider yourselves an "elite" herd. > > a. You do realize only rich countries have high iPhone ownership, right? > b. You do realize most of the world is on Android, right? > c. And that the US has higher income than most other countries, right? > > Since the iPHone is a brain dead dumb terminal, almost nothing works unless > you have full-time access to the Cupertino Matrix, which the USA & EU has. Why do you insist that this is a fact when it is so clearly not?
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107j31p$55vv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197116 |
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >> desperately want to pretend >>> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >>> and utter bullshit. >> >> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >> >> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment > > Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast > charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few places where you can legally do that speed. Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is charge your phone overnight. A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect".
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 18:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107j3q7$597s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197119 |
On 8/13/25 18:19, Chris wrote: > Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >> >> >>> desperately want to pretend >>>> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >>>> and utter bullshit. >>> >>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>> >>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >> >> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast >> charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? > > Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few places > where you can legally do that speed. "Look at all of those wasted speedometer markings!" <g> > Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is charge > your phone overnight. > > A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect". Even an old 5W charger is perfectly fine for an overnight charge. Higher wattage is as the cited text says for the fast charging *option*. -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-13 15:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107j43g$4fjo$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197121 |
On 2025-08-13 15:32, -hh wrote: > On 8/13/25 18:19, Chris wrote: >> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >>> >>> >>>> desperately want to pretend >>>>> "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that is very obviously complete >>>>> and utter bullshit. >>>> >>>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>>> >>>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >>> >>> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for fast >>> charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? >> >> Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few places >> where you can legally do that speed. > > "Look at all of those wasted speedometer markings!" <g> >> Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is >> charge >> your phone overnight. >> >> A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect". > > Even an old 5W charger is perfectly fine for an overnight charge. > > Higher wattage is as the cited text says for the fast charging *option*. > > > -hh And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast charger, then you can't possibly have one. :-)
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 08:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107kksb$eq2v$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197122 |
On 8/13/25 18:37, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-13 15:32, -hh wrote: >> On 8/13/25 18:19, Chris wrote: >>> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >>>> >>>> >>>>>> desperately want to pretend "slower charging" equals >>>>>> "wrong", when that is very obviously complete and >>>>>> utter bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>>>> >>>>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >>>> >>>> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for >>>> fast charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on it? >>> >>> Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few places >>> where you can legally do that speed. >> >> "Look at all of those wasted speedometer markings!" <g> >> >>> Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is >>> charge your phone overnight. >>> >>> A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect". >> >> Even an old 5W charger is perfectly fine for an overnight charge. >> >> Higher wattage is as the cited text says for the fast charging *option*. > > And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast charger, > then you can't possibly have one. > :-) As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is totally unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. The rhetorical question that won't be answered is: other than when one isn't using it, what better time is there is to charge one's phone? Of course the Engineering derivative from here is the power requirement: for a duty cycle of an overnight (even a shortened ~6 hour one), how much source wattage is satisfactory to meet the criteria? A: 5W. In simple terms, Energy = Power * time = (5W * 6h) = 30Wh supplied iPhone batteries are a nominal 4V, so 30Wh/4V (* 1000) = 7500mAh, less efficiency losses, of course. The iPhone 16 Pro Max reportedly has a 4,685mAh battery, so this supply capability accomodates a time safety buffer and/or efficiency losses of (7500/4685) = 1.6 = 60% margin. For example, for just a 5hr sleep, its 25/4 => 6250/4685 => 1.33 -hh
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 17:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107l73v$n8a$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197129 |
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 08:30:03 -0400, -hh wrote : >> And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast charger, >> then you can't possibly have one. >> :-) > > As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is totally > unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. I'm trying to teach you to look deeper at your beloved Apple products. What matters is why. > The rhetorical question that won't be answered is: other than when one > isn't using it, what better time is there is to charge one's phone? You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge overnight. > Of course the Engineering derivative from here is the power requirement: > for a duty cycle of an overnight (even a shortened ~6 hour one), how > much source wattage is satisfactory to meet the criteria? A: 5W. > In simple terms, Energy = Power * time = (5W * 6h) = 30Wh supplied > iPhone batteries are a nominal 4V, so 30Wh/4V (* 1000) = 7500mAh, > less efficiency losses, of course. > > The iPhone 16 Pro Max reportedly has a 4,685mAh battery, so this supply > capability accomodates a time safety buffer and/or efficiency losses of > (7500/4685) = 1.6 = 60% margin. > > For example, for just a 5hr sleep, its 25/4 => 6250/4685 => 1.33 The fact Apple puts crappy batteries in the iPhone has other ramifications. I need you to understand that fact before I can begin to teach you way.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107l79n$iqj8$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197139 |
On 2025-08-14 10:41, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 08:30:03 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >>> And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast charger, >>> then you can't possibly have one. >>> :-) >> >> As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is totally >> unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. > > I'm trying to teach you to look deeper at your beloved Apple products. > What matters is why. > >> The rhetorical question that won't be answered is: other than when one >> isn't using it, what better time is there is to charge one's phone? > > You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge overnight. > >> Of course the Engineering derivative from here is the power requirement: >> for a duty cycle of an overnight (even a shortened ~6 hour one), how >> much source wattage is satisfactory to meet the criteria? A: 5W. >> In simple terms, Energy = Power * time = (5W * 6h) = 30Wh supplied >> iPhone batteries are a nominal 4V, so 30Wh/4V (* 1000) = 7500mAh, >> less efficiency losses, of course. >> >> The iPhone 16 Pro Max reportedly has a 4,685mAh battery, so this supply >> capability accomodates a time safety buffer and/or efficiency losses of >> (7500/4685) = 1.6 = 60% margin. >> >> For example, for just a 5hr sleep, its 25/4 => 6250/4685 => 1.33 > > The fact Apple puts crappy batteries in the iPhone has other ramifications. > I need you to understand that fact before I can begin to teach you way. LLOLOLOLOLOLOOL!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 18:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mg6pbpFke6fU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #197139 |
On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > > You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge > overnight. You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the case. Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107ldrn$1v3h$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197147 |
On 14 Aug 2025 18:48:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote : > Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You do know that most Androids last for days, nowadays, Jolly Roger. Don't you? That's because there are 2,225 models with over 5AH battery capacities. <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nBatCapacityMin=5000&idOS=2> Compare that to all iPhones have those crappy piece-of-shit batteries. <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nBatCapacityMin=5000&idOS=3> And, oh, most Android still come with the correct charger in the box too. No iPhone box ever had the correct charger for the latest iPhones, ever. Did you ever wonder why you're buying every iPhone twice, Jolly Roger?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 12:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107lek1$j2qd$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197148 |
On 2025-08-14 12:36, Marion wrote: > On 14 Aug 2025 18:48:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote : > > >> Nobody is forced to charge overnight. > > You do know that most Androids last for days, nowadays, Jolly Roger. > Don't you? I know that's bullshit. > > That's because there are 2,225 models with over 5AH battery capacities. > <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nBatCapacityMin=5000&idOS=2> And you can't tell how long a phone will run based JUST on battery capacity, doofus. > > Compare that to all iPhones have those crappy piece-of-shit batteries. > <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nBatCapacityMin=5000&idOS=3> > > And, oh, most Android still come with the correct charger in the box too. > No iPhone box ever had the correct charger for the latest iPhones, ever. > > Did you ever wonder why you're buying every iPhone twice, Jolly Roger?
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 08:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107mssr$117ef$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197148 |
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On 14 Aug 2025 18:48:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote : > > >> Nobody is forced to charge overnight. > > You do know that most Androids last for days, nowadays, Jolly Roger. > Don't you? > > That's because there are 2,225 models with over 5AH battery capacities. > <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nBatCapacityMin=5000&idOS=2> I now have access to the EU API for all smartphone efficiencies so can easily factcheck all Arlen's lies. Of the 606 Android models only 157 (26%) have 5000mAh or greater batteries. Of those only 40 (26%) acheived an "A" rating. So by Arlen's metric (<5000mAh and class != "A") 93% (566) of Android models are "crappy". > And, oh, most Android still come with the correct charger in the box too. [Factcheck: Unsubstantiated so therefore false. ] > No iPhone box ever had the correct charger for the latest iPhones, ever. No such thing as an incorrect bundled charger.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 16:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107lfm3$mv3f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197147 |
On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >> >> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >> overnight. > > You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act > like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the > case. Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical background & experience in identifying/articulating operational requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. > Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 13:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107lg7b$n9vl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197150 |
On 2025-08-14 13:07, -hh wrote: > On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>> >>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>> overnight. >> >> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >> case. > > Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical > background & experience in identifying/articulating operational > requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. > > >> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. > > He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s Didn't you mean "the correct floor mats"? 😉
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107lhpd$7p4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197150 |
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:07:31 -0400, -hh wrote : > He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! Heh heh heh... who is whining? My phone doesn't cost me one-and-one-half to twice the MSRP just to own it. Yours does. Not mine. And my phone has a better battery than was ever put in any iPhone too. Yours has to be charged every single night. Not mine. Who's whining now?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107lj5q$n9vl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197152 |
On 2025-08-14 13:43, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:07:31 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! > > Heh heh heh... who is whining? > > My phone doesn't cost me one-and-one-half to twice the MSRP just to own it. > > Yours does. Not mine. > > And my phone has a better battery than was ever put in any iPhone too. Bigger... ...not better. > > Yours has to be charged every single night. Not mine. > > Who's whining now? That would be you.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 08:46 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <107li01$no3e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197150 |
On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: > On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>> >>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>> overnight. >> >> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >> case. > > Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical > background & experience in identifying/articulating operational > requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. > > >> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. > > He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s > > > -hh With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! :-(
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