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Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals

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On Thu, 22 May 2025 16:34:22 -0400, Joel wrote :


> It may have restrictions on what you can do without logging in, I
> really don't know, but that doesn't equate to it being a dumb
> terminal.  It is a real computer system known as smartphone.

I appreciate that you are speaking like an adult, where the dumb terminal
concept, I'm sure you're aware of, which is that the computer monitor and
the keyboard and the modem connection were needed to "do anything", right?

You'd use the monitor/keyboard/modem to connect to the mainframe servers,
and from there you can make the monitor in front of you "do something".

The iOS device is very similar to that dumb terminal, although I do agree
with you that it can do some things without logging into the mainframes.

What's DIFFERENT about iOS is that you *must* log into those mainframes in
order to do the stuff you like about iOS such as installing apps.

In that respect, the iOS device is a dumb terminal since every other
operating system does NOT need to log into anything to install apps.

To be patently clear, you do NOT need to log into Microsoft to install apps
on Windows & you do NOT need to log into Google to install apps on Android.

Only iOS is built to be so dumb that you can't do anything without logging
into the mainframe - which is akin to the old concept of a dumb terminal.
 
>>You can't run any software other than what came with the device, Joel.
>>That's pretty dumb since almost nobody can make do with the native apps.
> 
> Well, frankly I don't get why one would buy a proprietary-OS device if
> they aren't willing to have an online account with the OEM, that's
> true in Windows 11, Google account for an Android device, it might not
> always be required as you are saying it is with iOS, but it has real
> purpose in using the device.

I thank you for keeping an adult hat on when you made that observation.

However... it's hard to answer you when you say that, because it's like
saying "frankly I don't get why one would buy food at a grocery store when
you can have a delivery service deliver that food to you every day.

Sure, you can have a delivery service deliver you all your food. 
For that, you'd have to have an account with that delivery service.

But most people are perfectly fine with NOT having an account with a
delivery service and then when they need food, they go to the grocery store
to get that food.

Sometimes they may have an account at a grocery store. Sometimes not.
But they can go to any grocery store with cash - even the one they have a
credit card on file with - so they have the perfect freedom they want.

It's the same with every operating system except Apple's dumb systems.
With Apple's dumb system, you're forced to have that delivery service.

Whether you want it or not.

As an example, I'm on Windows and I've *never* had a Microsoft Account.
And I can install any app I want on my Windows machine without it.

Likewise, I'm on Android and I haven't had a Google Account on my phone
for, oh, I don't know. Maybe 8 or so years. Android works fine without it.

And I can install any app I want on my Android device without it.
Even apps from the Google Play Store repository - so there's no negative.

Now, I do have iOS devices. They don't work that way. They're all designed
to be dumb terminals. So without an account on Apple's mainframes, they
pretty much don't do much. Sure, they can take pictures. But not much else.

Without logging into Apple's mainframes every day of your life, Joel, the
Apple devices don't do anything much - which is why they're dumb terminals.


>>But what's worse, is even if you do create an account on the mainframe, the
>>device is *still* a dumb terminal in that it can't do anything every other
>>operating system does, Joel.
>>
>>Why can't iOS run the Tor Browser, for example?
>>Why can't iOS run a system-wide Firewall, for example?
>>Why can't iOS do graphical wi-fi/cellular debugging, for example?
>>
>>The list of things every other operating system does that iOS can't do is
>>astoundingly high, Joel. It's astronomical what iOS can't do. It's a toy.
>>
>>At best, iOS is a toy.
>>But it's really just a dumb terminal.
>>
>>Without logging into Apple's mainframes, it can't do anything useful.
>>And even with logging into the mainframes, it's still brain dead.
>>
>>Try to set the default app launcher for example, on iOS.
>>Try to spoof your GPS location for example, on iOS.
>>Try to set the default camera app, or music player or video player or file
>>manager or homescreen launcher, etc.
>>
>>The best characterization of iOS is that it's merely a dumb terminal.
>>
>>And even when you log into the mainframe, then it progresses to being brain
>>dead since it can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does. 
>>
>>You can disagree with the facts - but if you say I'm on drugs simply
>>because you hate the facts - that says more about you than about me.
> 
> I don't know enough about iOS to take all that apart, you could be
> right I guess, I'll probably never know because I wouldn't spend a
> dime on Apple's crapware and gear.

My main problem with Apple is simply that Apple is a deceitful company who
gets rich off of lying to its customer base, much like Big Tobacco did.

Just like millions smoked Marlboro thinking they were rough & tough
cowboys, Apple is a cancer stick for the owners of their products.

The Apple troll's cancer has taken over the Apple owner's brain to the
point that they think the worst operating system support is the best.

That is the power of propaganda.
Instead of spending money on the operating system, Apple spends all their
money on marketing it. That's why iOS is the most exploited in history.

I rue that Apple is so successful at hating their own customer base and as
a result, each Apple customer gets a stick shoved up their ass & they
defend Apple's right to shove that stick up their ass, even to the point of
waiting outside the Apple store just so Apple can remove the last stick
Apple shoved up their ass, only to shove another stick up their ass.

This new stick has no charging block (that's separate) or aux jack.
So there are multiple sticks Apple gleefully shoves up its customers' ass.
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The graphic is clearly to make the point obvious what Apple does.

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Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-22 16:33 +0000
  Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-22 09:48 -0700
    Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Victor <victorheyne@notreal.org> - 2025-05-22 12:07 -0500
      Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-22 10:14 -0700
        Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Victor <victorheyne@notreal.org> - 2025-05-22 12:31 -0500
          Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-22 11:50 -0700
    Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Victor <victorheyne@notreal.org> - 2025-05-22 12:17 -0500
  Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 13:38 -0400
    Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-22 17:48 +0000
      Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 14:25 -0400
        Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-22 19:48 +0000
          Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 15:53 -0400
            Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-22 20:02 +0000
              Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 16:34 -0400
                Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-22 22:22 +0000
  Re: Everyone now has your login.   No they don't. (was: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-05-23 00:23 +0000
    Re: Everyone now has your login.   No they don't. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-23 02:51 +0000
      Re: Everyone now has your login. No they don't. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-22 20:18 -0700
      Re: Everyone now has your login.   No they don't. Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-05-23 22:29 +0000
        Re: Everyone now has your login.  No they don't. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 16:17 +0000
          Re: Everyone now has your login.  No they don't. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-24 20:46 +0000
            Re: Everyone now has your login. No they don't. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-24 14:34 -0700
  Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-05-23 18:07 +0000
    Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-05-23 18:38 +0000
      Re: Everyone now has your login - which is the problem with Apple's dumb terminals Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-05-23 12:10 -0700

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