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  Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> - 2015-11-03 15:00 +0100
    Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from  USB_OTG Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> - 2015-11-03 16:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> - 2015-11-03 16:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> - 2015-11-04 05:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> - 2015-11-05 15:40 +0100

#1261510 — Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG

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Hi,

Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
> The USB OTG support currently depends on power management
> (CONFIG_PM) being enabled, but does not actually need it enabled.
> Remove this dependency.
>
> Tested on Bay Trail hardware with dwc3 USB.
>
> Signed-off-by: Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com>
> ---
>  drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |    1 -
>  1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> index a99c89e..9c5cdf3 100644
> --- a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> +++ b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> @@ -43,7 +43,6 @@ config USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS
>  
>  config USB_OTG
>  	bool "OTG support"
> -	depends on PM

I don't think this is correct. OTG depends on USB bus suspend, which is
only available on PM builds. Care to further detail why you think PM is
not needed on OTG ?

-- 
balbi

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#1261560 — Re: [PATCH V4] usb: remove unnecessary CONFIG_PM dependency from USB_OTG

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:56:55AM -0600, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
> > The USB OTG support currently depends on power management
> > (CONFIG_PM) being enabled, but does not actually need it enabled.
> > Remove this dependency.
> >
> > Tested on Bay Trail hardware with dwc3 USB.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com>
> > ---
> >  drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |    1 -
> >  1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> > index a99c89e..9c5cdf3 100644
> > --- a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> > +++ b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
> > @@ -43,7 +43,6 @@ config USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS
> >  
> >  config USB_OTG
> >  	bool "OTG support"
> > -	depends on PM
> 
> I don't think this is correct. OTG depends on USB bus suspend, which is
> only available on PM builds. Care to further detail why you think PM is
> not needed on OTG ?
> 
> -- 
> balbi

I think we can drop this patch, actually.

It looks like we confused gadget and OTG support at some point in the past,
and we don't want PM on our hardware for latency reasons.  We really only need
USB gadget support, not full OTG.
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#1261570

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Hi,

Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:56:55AM -0600, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
>> > The USB OTG support currently depends on power management
>> > (CONFIG_PM) being enabled, but does not actually need it enabled.
>> > Remove this dependency.
>> >
>> > Tested on Bay Trail hardware with dwc3 USB.
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com>
>> > ---
>> >  drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |    1 -
>> >  1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
>> >
>> > diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > index a99c89e..9c5cdf3 100644
>> > --- a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > +++ b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > @@ -43,7 +43,6 @@ config USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS
>> >  
>> >  config USB_OTG
>> >  	bool "OTG support"
>> > -	depends on PM
>> 
>> I don't think this is correct. OTG depends on USB bus suspend, which is
>> only available on PM builds. Care to further detail why you think PM is
>> not needed on OTG ?
>> 
>> -- 
>> balbi
>
> I think we can drop this patch, actually.
>
> It looks like we confused gadget and OTG support at some point in the
> past, and we don't want PM on our hardware for latency reasons.  We
> really only need USB gadget support, not full OTG.

Fair enough, thank you

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balbi

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#1262061

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Hi,

Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:56:55AM -0600, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
>> > The USB OTG support currently depends on power management
>> > (CONFIG_PM) being enabled, but does not actually need it enabled.
>> > Remove this dependency.
>> >
>> > Tested on Bay Trail hardware with dwc3 USB.
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com>
>> > ---
>> >  drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |    1 -
>> >  1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
>> >
>> > diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > index a99c89e..9c5cdf3 100644
>> > --- a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > +++ b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> > @@ -43,7 +43,6 @@ config USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS
>> >  
>> >  config USB_OTG
>> >  	bool "OTG support"
>> > -	depends on PM
>> 
>> I don't think this is correct. OTG depends on USB bus suspend, which is
>> only available on PM builds. Care to further detail why you think PM is
>> not needed on OTG ?
>> 
>
> OTG depends on USB bus suspend is not a must, the hardware controlled OTG
> design do HNP when the bus goes to suspend; but if the software
> implements OTG FSM, it is the user option whether do HNP, and bus
> suspend is controlled by OTG FSM software (stop SOF), but not by host 
> stack (eg, ehci).
>
> I am sorry I did not consider the legacy OTG design, this patch should
> be dropped.

there is no "legacy" OTG design. OTG requires a bus suspend to enter
HNP, and that's achieved by stopping all transfers and avoid new URB
submission so usbcore can put the bus in suspend (by means of USB
autosuspend). If you're bypassing that in the OTG FSM thing, that needs
to be fixed ASAP as that makes it a lot harder for any generic changes
in usbcore to be validated. Specially when you consider not many will
have whatever special HW which, likely, doesn't even work with mainline
to validate a change.

Please, make sure to fix that design so that HNP *always* goes through
the proper code path. If you have devices which would prevent HNP
because their class driver (host side driver) would never autosuspend,
fix that as well.

cheers

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balbi

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#1263251

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Hi,

Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 09:51:11PM -0600, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com> writes:
>> > On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:56:55AM -0600, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Hi,
>> >> 
>> >> Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com> writes:
>> >> > The USB OTG support currently depends on power management
>> >> > (CONFIG_PM) being enabled, but does not actually need it enabled.
>> >> > Remove this dependency.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tested on Bay Trail hardware with dwc3 USB.
>> >> >
>> >> > Signed-off-by: Nathan Sullivan <nathan.sullivan@ni.com>
>> >> > ---
>> >> >  drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |    1 -
>> >> >  1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
>> >> >
>> >> > diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> >> > index a99c89e..9c5cdf3 100644
>> >> > --- a/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> >> > +++ b/drivers/usb/core/Kconfig
>> >> > @@ -43,7 +43,6 @@ config USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS
>> >> >  
>> >> >  config USB_OTG
>> >> >  	bool "OTG support"
>> >> > -	depends on PM
>> >> 
>> >> I don't think this is correct. OTG depends on USB bus suspend, which is
>> >> only available on PM builds. Care to further detail why you think PM is
>> >> not needed on OTG ?
>> >> 
>> >
>> > OTG depends on USB bus suspend is not a must, the hardware controlled OTG
>> > design do HNP when the bus goes to suspend; but if the software
>> > implements OTG FSM, it is the user option whether do HNP, and bus
>> > suspend is controlled by OTG FSM software (stop SOF), but not by host 
>> > stack (eg, ehci).
>> >
>> > I am sorry I did not consider the legacy OTG design, this patch should
>> > be dropped.
>> 
>> there is no "legacy" OTG design. OTG requires a bus suspend to enter
>> HNP, and that's achieved by stopping all transfers and avoid new URB
>> submission so usbcore can put the bus in suspend (by means of USB
>> autosuspend). If you're bypassing that in the OTG FSM thing, that needs
>> to be fixed ASAP as that makes it a lot harder for any generic changes
>> in usbcore to be validated. Specially when you consider not many will
>> have whatever special HW which, likely, doesn't even work with mainline
>> to validate a change.
>> 
>
> Felipe, thanks for your comments.
>
> But you may need to consider the user option ~a_bus_req (for A) and
> b_bus_req (for B) when do HNP, we can't do HNP without user option.
>
> - Eg, if the bus enters suspend, but the A does not want role switch,
> we can't try to do HNP, the same for B device.
> - The A device may want to support auto-suspend but without role switch.
>
> You are absolutely right, the SAFE HNP needs to do auto-suspend first, we
> need to add this in documentation. But it does not mean OTG FSM design is
> incorrect, there are two things, eg, if we want to do HNP safely, we
> need

sure it does. If you're bypassing anything in usbcore, it's wrong :-)
For that [ab]_bus_req polling, as soon as you notice that flag, you
should just giveback all URBs to the link partner so the link can
autosuspend and HNP will happen exactly the same.

> to do below things:
> /* B requests HNP */
> echo 1 > /sys/bus/../otg_fsm//inputs/b_bus_req 
>
> /* Put the A to suspend */
> echo auto > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/power/control 
> /* A goes to try HNP */
> echo 0 > /sys/bus/../otg_fsm/inputs/a_bus_req

When you echo 0 to a_bus_req, A should stop all in-flight transfers to
the link partner and wait for the bus to autosuspend. There should be no
differences other than the need to set these flags.

This even gives us opportunity to tune "how fast" we wand HNP to happen
by fiddling with autosuspend delay ;-)

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balbi

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