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Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()

From	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()
Date	2017-04-09 13:00 +0200
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* Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The
> > submitted code is aimed at rare writes to globals, but this feature is
> > more than that and design decisions shouldn't be based on just the
> > short term.
> 
> Then, if you disagree with a proposed design, *explain why* in a
> standalone manner.  Say what future uses a different design would
> have.
> 
> > I actually care a lot more about 64-bit ARM support than I do x86, but
> > using a portable API for pax_open_kernel (for the simple uses at
> > least) is separate from choosing the underlying implementation. There
> > might not be a great way to do it on the architectures I care about
> > but that doesn't need to hinder x86. It's really not that much code...
> > A weaker/slower implementation for x86 also encourages the same
> > elsewhere.
> 
> No one has explained how CR0.WP is weaker or slower than my proposal.
> Here's what I'm proposing:
> 
> At boot, choose a random address A.  Create an mm_struct that has a
> single VMA starting at A that represents the kernel's rarely-written
> section.  Compute O = (A - VA of rarely-written section).  To do a
> rare write, use_mm() the mm, write to (VA + O), then unuse_mm().

BTW., note that this is basically a pagetable based protection key variant.

> It'll be considerably slower than CR0.WP on a current x86 kernel, but, with PCID 
> landed, it shouldn't be much slower.  It has the added benefit that writes to 
> non-rare-write data using the rare-write primitive will fail.

... which is a security advantage of the use_mm() based design you suggest.

Thanks,

	Ingo

Thread

[RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 10/11] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 03/11] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 07/11] ARM: mm: set DOMAIN_WR_RARE for rodata Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Ho-Eun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 09:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-30 19:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Ho-Eun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 10:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-04-07 22:40 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2017-03-30 00:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-30 03:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-06 02:00 +0200
          Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-04-06 02:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2017-04-06 18:00 +0200
              Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2017-04-07 10:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-04-07 11:50 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2017-04-07 13:00 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-04-07 15:20 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2017-04-07 15:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-07 18:20 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-04-07 18:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu> - 2017-04-07 22:10 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-08 07:00 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu> - 2017-04-09 14:50 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-10 02:20 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu> - 2017-04-10 12:50 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-04-07 22:50 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-04-07 23:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 06:20 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 06:20 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 06:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-08 07:10 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 09:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-08 17:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2017-04-09 13:00 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-04-10 12:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu> - 2017-04-09 22:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-04-10 02:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-04-07 21:30 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-04-07 16:50 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-04-10 12:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu> - 2017-04-07 22:40 +0200
                Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> - 2017-04-10 10:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-04-07 11:40 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 09/11] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 05/11] ARM: mm: dump: Add domain to output Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 11/11] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement  __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-04-07 11:40 +0200
  [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 20:20 +0200
    Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for  rare_write() infrastructure Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk> - 2017-03-30 12:20 +0200
      Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for  rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-30 18:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> - 2017-03-29 21:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-03-29 21:20 +0200

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