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| From | Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.kernel |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup |
| Date | 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rmU41-6dm-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <rmbgB-4Uj-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <rmbgB-4Uj-7@gated-at.bofh.it> <rmbJE-58Q-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <rmLDs-7TR-19@gated-at.bofh.it> <rmU41-6dm-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Eric W. Biederman
<ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
> I replied earlier. Did you not see my reply?
Are you talking about the one where you agreed that the scenario was
made up and insane? The one where you said that you're worried about
breaking out "extension" where ptmx is non-0666?
That was never an extension. It was a simple situation of people (a)
not knowing what the tty group should be in the kernel and (b) then
thinking that using a permission model of "no permission" somehow made
it saner.
What it actually resulted in was that most distros just ignore it
entirely, and just use /dev/ptmx.
Yes, you *can* then chmod it in user space and use a symlink, but so
what? Nobody who actually uses that node uses anythinig but 0666.
Because that would break pretty much everything that uses pty's.
So the whole "we need to worry about permission 0000" is complete and
uttter garbage. We really don't. The situation doesn't come up, and
it's not relevant. The standard part to access ptmx is /dev/ptmx, and
no amount of wishing it were otherwise will make it any different.
Seriously. Just look at the opengroup documentation. It talks about
/dev/ptmx. The whole /dev/pts/ptmx thing was a mistake. WE SHOULD NOT
EXTEND ON THAT MISTAKE.
We should just FIX the mistake. Ignore /dev/pts/ptmx, because that
node is non-standard SHIT.
Really. Really really.
Linus
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[PATCH 00/13] devpts: New instances for every mount ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-05 02:20 +0200
[PATCH 04/13] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 05/13] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 08/13] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 03/13] devpts: Cleanup newinstance parsing "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 06/13] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 09/13] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 02/13] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 13/13] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 07/13] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 12/13] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
[PATCH 11/13] vfs: Implement mount_super_once "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
[PATCH 10/13] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-05 05:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-05 05:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-07 18:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 22:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 23:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-09 00:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-09 00:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-09 01:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 15:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-09 16:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-09 17:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-10 00:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-10 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-10 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-10 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-10 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-11 17:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-11 22:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-11 22:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 01:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 03:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-12 03:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 04:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-11 22:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-12 19:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 20:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-12 21:20 +0200
[PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 08/16] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 05/16] vfs: Allow unlink, and rename on expirable file mounts "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 04/16] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to automount the appropriate devpts via path lookup "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 09/16] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 10/16] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 06/16] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 01/16] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 12/16] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 11/16] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 16/16] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 15/16] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 13/16] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 14/16] vfs: Implement mount_super_once "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 03:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-11 22:20 +0200
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