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| From | Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.kernel |
| Subject | Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup |
| Date | 2016-04-09 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rlMBz-21s-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> writes:
>
>> On Apr 8, 2016 12:05 PM, "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Eric W. Biederman
>>> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Given that concern under the rule we don't break userspace we have to
>>> > check the permissions of /dev/pts/ptmx when we are creating a new pty,
>>> > on a instance of devpts that was created with newinstance.
>>>
>>> The rule is that we don't break existing installations.
>>>
>>> If somebody has root and installs a "ptmx" node in an existing mount
>>> space next to a pts subdirectory, that's not a security issue, nor is
>>> it going to break any existing installation.
>>
>> What Eric's saying is that you don't have to be root for this.
>>
>> But Eric, I think there might be a better mitigation. For a ptmx
>> chardev, just fail the open if the chardev's vfsmount or the devpts's
>> vfsmount doesn't belong to the same userns as the devpts's superblock.
>> After all, setting this attack up requires the caps on one of the
>> vfsmounts, and if you have those caps you could attack your own devpts
>> instance quite easily. Would that work?
>
> I don't think so. For one it depends on getting s_user_ns which should
> happen but is not there yet. For another the way you describe
> it you would break the case of
>
> unshare(CLONE_NEWUSER);
> unshare(CLONE_NEWNS);
> open("/dev/ptmx");
>
> Which is actually more likely to break userspace than anything else we
> have considered. I know people actually do that.
>
Hmm, you're right. Never mind.
--Andy
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[PATCH 00/13] devpts: New instances for every mount ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-05 02:20 +0200
[PATCH 04/13] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 05/13] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 08/13] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 03/13] devpts: Cleanup newinstance parsing "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 06/13] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 09/13] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 02/13] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 13/13] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 07/13] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 03:50 +0200
[PATCH 12/13] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
[PATCH 11/13] vfs: Implement mount_super_once "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
[PATCH 10/13] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-05 04:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-05 05:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-05 05:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-07 18:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-08 21:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 22:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-08 23:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-09 00:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-09 00:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-09 01:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 15:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-09 16:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-09 17:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-10 00:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-10 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-10 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-10 02:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-10 02:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-11 17:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-11 22:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-11 22:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 01:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 03:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-12 03:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-04-12 03:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 04:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-11 22:30 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-04-12 19:50 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 20:20 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> - 2016-04-12 21:20 +0200
[PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 08/16] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 05/16] vfs: Allow unlink, and rename on expirable file mounts "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 04/16] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to automount the appropriate devpts via path lookup "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 09/16] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 10/16] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 06/16] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 01/16] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 17:50 +0200
[PATCH 12/16] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 11/16] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 16/16] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 15/16] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 13/16] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
[PATCH 14/16] vfs: Implement mount_super_once "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> - 2016-04-15 18:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 02:10 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-12 02:40 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-04-12 03:00 +0200
Re: [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-04-11 22:20 +0200
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