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Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing

From Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
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Subject Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing
Date 2015-10-19 18:10 +0200
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 04:29:40PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-10-19 at 15:50 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> > > But the point I'm making is that we are working towards *fixing* that,
> > > and *not* using DT-specific code in places where we should be using the
> > > generic APIs.

> > What is the plan for fixing things here?  It's not obvious (at least to
> > me) that we don't want to have the subsystems having knowledge of how
> > they are bound to a specific firmware which is what you seem to imply
> > here. 

> I don't know that there *is* a coherent plan here to address it all.

> Certainly, we *will* need subsystems to have firmware-specific
> knowledge in some cases. Take GPIO as an example; ACPI *has* a way to
> describe GPIO, and properties which reference GPIO pins are intended to
> work through that — while in DT, properties which reference GPIO pins
> will have different contents. They'll be compatible at the driver
> level, in the sense that there's a call to get a given GPIO given the
> property name, but the subsystems *will* be doing different things
> behind the scenes.

I'd expect that to be the norm rather than the exception.

> > It seems like we're going to have to refactor these bits of code when
> > they get generalised anyway so I'm not sure that the additional cost
> > here is that big.

> That's an acceptable answer — "we're adding legacy code here but we
> know it's going to be refactored anyway". If that's true, all it takes
> is a note in the commit comment to that effect. That's different from
> having not thought about it :)

Given the above I'm not even sure it's legacy code, it's just as likely
we're going to get some parallel ACPI code added to the subsystems for
parsing their bindings.

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Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-18 21:40 +0200
  Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-10-18 21:40 +0200
    Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-18 22:00 +0200
      Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> - 2015-10-19 11:50 +0200
        Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 12:00 +0200
        Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-19 13:10 +0200
        Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2015-10-19 14:40 +0200
          Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> - 2015-10-19 14:50 +0200
            Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-19 17:00 +0200
              Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> - 2015-10-19 17:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 17:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Uwe Kleine-König   <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> - 2015-10-19 20:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 01:50 +0200
                Re: gpiod API considerations [Was: [GIT PULL] On-demand device  probing] Uwe Kleine-König   <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> - 2015-10-20 09:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> - 2015-10-20 13:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2015-10-19 18:00 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-19 23:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2015-10-20 01:00 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-20 09:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> - 2015-10-20 16:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-10-20 16:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-20 17:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-10-20 18:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-20 18:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-10-20 19:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-20 21:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-21 01:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Jean-Francois Moine <moinejf@free.fr> - 2015-10-21 08:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-22 11:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-27 05:40 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-21 01:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> - 2015-10-21 11:00 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-22 01:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-19 18:10 +0200
      Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-19 14:40 +0200
        Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 15:20 +0200
          Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-19 16:20 +0200
            Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 16:40 +0200
              Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-19 17:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 17:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> - 2015-10-19 18:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-19 18:50 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe (was: [GIT  PULL] On-demand device probing) Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-20 17:50 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 06:00 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-21 10:20 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 17:40 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-10-21 19:00 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-21 19:30 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-10-21 20:20 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-21 20:30 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-10-22 17:20 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 20:10 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-10-21 20:40 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-21 22:40 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 02:10 +0200
                Re: Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe (was: [GIT  PULL] On-demand device probing) Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-23 01:40 +0200
        Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 18:10 +0200
          Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-21 18:30 +0200
            Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 20:30 +0200
              Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-21 23:10 +0200
              Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2015-10-21 23:20 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 00:00 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-22 11:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-10-22 16:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-10-22 16:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2015-10-22 17:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-23 01:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 21:00 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-10-22 21:30 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tim Bird <tim.bird@sonymobile.com> - 2015-10-23 17:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org> - 2015-10-23 18:40 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-10-24 15:50 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-25 00:10 +0200
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-10-25 15:00 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2015-10-26 02:20 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com> - 2015-10-26 12:00 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-10-26 14:00 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-10-27 00:40 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing "Andrew F. Davis" <afd@ti.com> - 2015-10-25 20:50 +0100
                Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> - 2015-10-24 20:00 +0200

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