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  Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 19:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 20:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:10 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:30 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 08:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 08:50 +0200
                  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 18:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-07-19 20:40 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 21:00 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 21:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:30 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 23:10 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:50 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 00:30 +0200
                  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 01:20 +0200
                    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-22 23:50 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 06:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 09:30 +0200
          Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-07-20 13:30 +0200
            Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 16:40 +0200
              Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 19:00 +0200
                Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-07-20 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 21:50 +0200
                  Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 23:00 +0200
                    Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-21 01:00 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-07-21 00:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-21 21:10 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-07-20 08:00 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 07:20 +0200

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#183900 — Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?

Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?

My Test Setup:

Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
(did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.

Thanks for any feedback.

B  

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#183904

On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
> this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> 
> My Test Setup:
> 
> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
> added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> 
> Thanks for any feedback.
> 
> B  
> 

dpkg -s unattended-upgrades

If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for you.
If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades, do with
root privs:

sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades

For further reading and understanding:

https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades

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#183923

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
> > apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
> > find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
> > didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> > 
> > My Test Setup:
> > 
> > Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> > Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> > (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and
> > then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> > 
> > Thanks for any feedback.
> > 
> > B  
> > 
> 
> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades

Not installed either by me or the installer

> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for you.
> If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades, do with
> root privs:

I have always done this manually since I first started using Debian
(Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.

> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> 
> For further reading and understanding:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades

Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long time, but
chose not to use it.

My problem must be something else.

B

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#183924

On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
>>> apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
>>> find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
>>> didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
>>>
>>> My Test Setup:
>>>
>>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
>>> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
>>> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and
>>> then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>
>> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> 
> Not installed either by me or the installer
> 
>> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for you.
>> If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades, do with
>> root privs:
> 
> I have always done this manually since I first started using Debian
> (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> 
>> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
>>
>> For further reading and understanding:
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> 
> Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long time, but
> chose not to use it.
> 
> My problem must be something else.

You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows what 
else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but stopping 
auto-update is a problem.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - KDE 4.13.2 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda1
Registered Linux User #380263

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#183945

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
<field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
> >>> apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
> >>> find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
> >>> didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> >>>
> >>> My Test Setup:
> >>>
> >>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> >>> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to
> >>> sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
> >>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any feedback.
> >>>
> >>> B
> >>>
> >>
> >> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> > 
> > Not installed either by me or the installer
> > 
> >> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for
> >> you. If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades,
> >> do with root privs:
> > 
> > I have always done this manually since I first started using Debian
> > (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> > 
> >> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> >>
> >> For further reading and understanding:
> >>
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> > 
> > Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long time,
> > but chose not to use it.
> > 
> > My problem must be something else.
> 
> You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows what 
> else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but stopping 
> auto-update is a problem.

I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic terminal
only install with only basic system utilties, the last option on the
list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.  Packagekit is not
installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I didn't install it
explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update either. I converted to
sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as dependencies.  Later will install
xorg and openbox, etc. for my GUI. This is the same way I installed
Wheezy 5 years ago. And it works (and always has) fine.

FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to test it
and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade, etc.

So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
discover what.

B

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#183950

On 07/19/2017 07:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
> <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>>>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
>>>>> apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
>>>>> find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
>>>>> didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> My Test Setup:
>>>>>
>>>>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
>>>>> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to
>>>>> sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
>>>>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
>>>
>>> Not installed either by me or the installer
>>>
>>>> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for
>>>> you. If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades,
>>>> do with root privs:
>>>
>>> I have always done this manually since I first started using Debian
>>> (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
>>>
>>>> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
>>>>
>>>> For further reading and understanding:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long time,
>>> but chose not to use it.
>>>
>>> My problem must be something else.
>>
>> You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows what
>> else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but stopping
>> auto-update is a problem.
> 
> I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic terminal
> only install with only basic system utilties, the last option on the
> list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.  Packagekit is not
> installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I didn't install it
> explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update either. I converted to
> sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as dependencies.  Later will install
> xorg and openbox, etc. for my GUI. This is the same way I installed
> Wheezy 5 years ago. And it works (and always has) fine.
> 
> FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to test it
> and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade, etc.
> 
> So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
> discover what.
> 
> B


A few months ago, hum, I wonder what could have changed, let's see 
Stretch was in testing and not frozen. Yep, you're right it's broken.

Here's a link for you to check out: 
https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades Pay attention to the term 
"periodic", it's turned on by default and even if the config file is not 
there it's still turned on.

Have fun :)
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - KDE 4.13.3 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

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#184022

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:41:33 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
<field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/19/2017 07:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
> > <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>>>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can
> >>>>> install apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update
> >>>>> "fixes," etc.  I find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive
> >>>>> search for this, but didn't find anything specific. Or did I
> >>>>> miss the solution?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My Test Setup:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1
> >>>>> on a Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to
> >>>>> sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
> >>>>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for any feedback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> B
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> >>>
> >>> Not installed either by me or the installer
> >>>
> >>>> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for
> >>>> you. If you do not like it and want to do manual
> >>>> updates/upgrades, do with root privs:
> >>>
> >>> I have always done this manually since I first started using
> >>> Debian (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> >>>
> >>>> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> >>>>
> >>>> For further reading and understanding:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long
> >>> time, but chose not to use it.
> >>>
> >>> My problem must be something else.
> >>
> >> You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows
> >> what else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but
> >> stopping auto-update is a problem.
> > 
> > I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic
> > terminal only install with only basic system utilties, the last
> > option on the list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.
> > Packagekit is not installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I
> > didn't install it explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update
> > either. I converted to sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as
> > dependencies.  Later will install xorg and openbox, etc. for my
> > GUI. This is the same way I installed Wheezy 5 years ago. And it
> > works (and always has) fine.
> > 
> > FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to
> > test it and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade,
> > etc.
> > 
> > So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
> > discover what.
> > 
> > B
> 
> 
> A few months ago, hum, I wonder what could have changed, let's see 
> Stretch was in testing and not frozen. Yep, you're right it's broken.

No need for sarcasm.  I've been using Debian since Sarge, and this is
the first time I've noted such a lack of "fixes" and security updates
after the initial release of a Stable.  Historically, that's unusual.
Maybe, the maintainers are taking a vacation. ;-)

> Here's a link for you to check out: 
> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades Pay attention to the term 
> "periodic", it's turned on by default and even if the config file is
> not there it's still turned on.

I did check.  Since the package unattended-upgrades is not installed --
not on my initial test minimal install or the full LXDE desktop one I
just did -- it can't be "turned on" by default or otherwise.   There's
also no config file for it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ Maybe, it's
installed by default with GNOME.  I don't know as I don't use GNOME and
haven't in about 6 years

B.

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#183955

On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
> <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
> > >>> apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
> > >>> find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
> > >>> didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> > >>>
> > >>> My Test Setup:
> > >>>
> > >>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> > >>> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to
> > >>> sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
> > >>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for any feedback.
> > >>>
> > >>> B
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> > > 
> > > Not installed either by me or the installer
> > > 
> > >> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades for
> > >> you. If you do not like it and want to do manual updates/upgrades,
> > >> do with root privs:
> > > 
> > > I have always done this manually since I first started using Debian
> > > (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> > > 
> > >> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> > >>
> > >> For further reading and understanding:
> > >>
> > >> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long time,
> > > but chose not to use it.
> > > 
> > > My problem must be something else.
> > 
> > You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows what 
> > else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but stopping 
> > auto-update is a problem.
> 
> I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic terminal
> only install with only basic system utilties, the last option on the
> list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.  Packagekit is not
> installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I didn't install it
> explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update either. I converted to
> sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as dependencies.  Later will install
> xorg and openbox, etc. for my GUI. This is the same way I installed
> Wheezy 5 years ago. And it works (and always has) fine.
> 
> FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to test it
> and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade, etc.
> 
> So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
> discover what.
> 
> B
> 

If you have minimal install, why do you suspect that something is wrong,
rather to suppose that all is fine and that simply there was no security
updates for your install? It is stable now, and as far as i can
remember, all those security updates we did have of lately were somehow
tied for graphical part, plus apache and ngninx. Apart for security
updates, tough luck of getting some other updates on stable. And
"everything worked fine" on your install of Stretch RC2 because it was
still testing and there was much more updates then?

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#184023

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:48:17 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
> > <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic
> > > > <jodejka@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > >>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can
> > > >>> install apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update
> > > >>> "fixes," etc.  I find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive
> > > >>> search for this, but didn't find anything specific. Or did I
> > > >>> miss the solution?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My Test Setup:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1
> > > >>> on a Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted
> > > >>> to sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
> > > >>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager,
> > > >>> etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks for any feedback.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> B
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> > > > 
> > > > Not installed either by me or the installer
> > > > 
> > > >> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades
> > > >> for you. If you do not like it and want to do manual
> > > >> updates/upgrades, do with root privs:
> > > > 
> > > > I have always done this manually since I first started using
> > > > Debian (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> > > > 
> > > >> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> > > >>
> > > >> For further reading and understanding:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long
> > > > time, but chose not to use it.
> > > > 
> > > > My problem must be something else.
> > > 
> > > You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows
> > > what else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but
> > > stopping auto-update is a problem.
> > 
> > I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic
> > terminal only install with only basic system utilties, the last
> > option on the list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.
> > Packagekit is not installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I
> > didn't install it explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update
> > either. I converted to sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as
> > dependencies.  Later will install xorg and openbox, etc. for my
> > GUI. This is the same way I installed Wheezy 5 years ago. And it
> > works (and always has) fine.
> > 
> > FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to
> > test it and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade,
> > etc.
> > 
> > So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
> > discover what.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> If you have minimal install, why do you suspect that something is
> wrong, rather to suppose that all is fine and that simply there was
> no security updates for your install? It is stable now, and as far as
> i can remember, all those security updates we did have of lately were
> somehow tied for graphical part, plus apache and ngninx. Apart for
> security updates, tough luck of getting some other updates on stable.
> And "everything worked fine" on your install of Stretch RC2 because
> it was still testing and there was much more updates then?

That was my first thought.  And as I used a Stable net-install disk
for my first tests of Stable, the system would have been up-to-date
after the install. But it's been two weeks since that time.  I've added
X, a window manager, utilities, apps, etc.  Based on my past
experience, historically, there should have been some fixes.  I've
never come across any such new release -- Debian or others -- that
didn't need a plethora of fixes in those few days to a month after.  Or
perhaps Stretch is bug free.  Or as I said in another post: Maybe the
maintainers are taking a vacation.

As far as RC2:  I dist-upgraded it to Stable in the course of my tests.
And as soon as it hit stable, apt-get upgrades ceased producing
anything for a week.  So, I downloaded the Stable net-install CD for a
new install to see if there was any differences.

B

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#184030

On 20-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:48:17 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If you have minimal install, why do you suspect that something is
> > wrong, rather to suppose that all is fine and that simply there was
> > no security updates for your install? It is stable now, and as far as
> > i can remember, all those security updates we did have of lately were
> > somehow tied for graphical part, plus apache and ngninx. Apart for
> > security updates, tough luck of getting some other updates on stable.
> > And "everything worked fine" on your install of Stretch RC2 because
> > it was still testing and there was much more updates then?
> 
> That was my first thought.  And as I used a Stable net-install disk
> for my first tests of Stable, the system would have been up-to-date
> after the install. But it's been two weeks since that time.  I've added
> X, a window manager, utilities, apps, etc.  Based on my past
> experience, historically, there should have been some fixes.  I've
> never come across any such new release -- Debian or others -- that
> didn't need a plethora of fixes in those few days to a month after.  Or
> perhaps Stretch is bug free.  Or as I said in another post: Maybe the
> maintainers are taking a vacation.
> 
> As far as RC2:  I dist-upgraded it to Stable in the course of my tests.
> And as soon as it hit stable, apt-get upgrades ceased producing
> anything for a week.  So, I downloaded the Stable net-install CD for a
> new install to see if there was any differences.
> 
> B
> 

Yes, but did you really check if security updates debian stable had
during those 2 weeks included packages that you have installed, or not?
Your past experience is past, this is another install. Just take look at
security updates and compare, there is no much philosophy there:

https://www.debian.org/security/

Look under recent advisories.

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#184044

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:48:17 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 20-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:48:17 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > If you have minimal install, why do you suspect that something is
> > > wrong, rather to suppose that all is fine and that simply there
> > > was no security updates for your install? It is stable now, and
> > > as far as i can remember, all those security updates we did have
> > > of lately were somehow tied for graphical part, plus apache and
> > > ngninx. Apart for security updates, tough luck of getting some
> > > other updates on stable. And "everything worked fine" on your
> > > install of Stretch RC2 because it was still testing and there was
> > > much more updates then?
> > 
> > That was my first thought.  And as I used a Stable net-install disk
> > for my first tests of Stable, the system would have been up-to-date
> > after the install. But it's been two weeks since that time.  I've
> > added X, a window manager, utilities, apps, etc.  Based on my past
> > experience, historically, there should have been some fixes.  I've
> > never come across any such new release -- Debian or others -- that
> > didn't need a plethora of fixes in those few days to a month
> > after.  Or perhaps Stretch is bug free.  Or as I said in another
> > post: Maybe the maintainers are taking a vacation.
> > 
> > As far as RC2:  I dist-upgraded it to Stable in the course of my
> > tests. And as soon as it hit stable, apt-get upgrades ceased
> > producing anything for a week.  So, I downloaded the Stable
> > net-install CD for a new install to see if there was any
> > differences.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> Yes, but did you really check if security updates debian stable had
> during those 2 weeks included packages that you have installed, or
> not? Your past experience is past, this is another install. Just take
> look at security updates and compare, there is no much philosophy
> there:
> 
> https://www.debian.org/security/
> 
> Look under recent advisories.

I will check.  Thanks.

B

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#183907

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
> this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> 
> My Test Setup:
> 
> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
> added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> 

Did you do an apt-get update before your upgrade?

update refreshes the package list.

-dsr-

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#183926

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:32:04 -0400 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
> > apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
> > find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but
> > didn't find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> > 
> > My Test Setup:
> > 
> > Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> > Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> > (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and
> > then added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> > 
> 
> Did you do an apt-get update before your upgrade?

Yes.  I've been using Debian since Sarge.  So, this isn't my first
rodeo.  But this is the first time I've ever had this occur.  I'm
beginning to think this might be an installer "problem" (I did a
terminal only mnimal install to begin with) even though sources.list
and configs look okay. I'm going to do a "default" install with the
LXDE desktop and see if I have the same problem.

B

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#183931

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From: nemommxiv@gmail.com

> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:32:04 -0400 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week. Can install
>> > apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc. I
>> > find this unusual. Did a mail list archive search for this, but
>> > didn"t find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
>>
>> Did you do an apt-get update before your upgrade?
> Yes. I"ve been using Debian since Sarge. So, this isn"t my first
> rodeo. But this is the first time I"ve ever had this occur. I"m
> beginning to think this might be an installer "problem" (I did a
> terminal only mnimal install to begin with) even though sources.list
> and configs look okay. I"m going to do a "default" install with the
> LXDE desktop and see if I have the same problem.

Since you insist without any evidence that apt-get does a better
job, can you spare us the courtesy of telling us what mirror are
you using? It is a possible explanation, since you "verified" that
auto-upgrade is not installed (or was uninstalled after your installation
maybe). And mirrors have failed in the past.

> B

Just a thought

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#183946

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:13:06 -0400 Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
wrote:

> From: nemommxiv@gmail.com
> 
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:32:04 -0400 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week. Can install
> >> > apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc. I
> >> > find this unusual. Did a mail list archive search for this, but
> >> > didn"t find anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> >>
> >> Did you do an apt-get update before your upgrade?
> > Yes. I"ve been using Debian since Sarge. So, this isn"t my first
> > rodeo. But this is the first time I"ve ever had this occur. I"m
> > beginning to think this might be an installer "problem" (I did a
> > terminal only mnimal install to begin with) even though sources.list
> > and configs look okay. I"m going to do a "default" install with the
> > LXDE desktop and see if I have the same problem.
> 
> Since you insist without any evidence that apt-get does a better
> job, can you spare us the courtesy of telling us what mirror are
> you using? It is a possible explanation, since you "verified" that
> auto-upgrade is not installed (or was uninstalled after your
> installation maybe). And mirrors have failed in the past.

Where did I say apt-get was better?  I just use it instead of apt or
aptitude or synaptic.  Tried them all.  One not better than the other.
I just prefer it.

Right now, I'm using the ftp.us.debian.org mirror with main contrib and
non-free enabled. No third party repos at this time.  Have tried a
couple of others -- utexas and georgia tech -- but experienced errors
at times due to missing packages or site being down or unavailable.

I didn't uninistall auto-upgrade.  With the basic terminal only system
I build off of, it never gets installed in the first place.  Apparently,
such "auto" stuff is now a product of a desktop environment (or systemd?
). Something I abandoned 5 years ago in favor of a window manager and a
single panel.

B

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#183911

Patrick Bartek composed on 2017-07-19 10:29 (UTC-0700):

> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
> this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?

> My Test Setup:

> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
> added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.

> Thanks for any feedback.

Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#183913

On 19-07-17, Felix Miata wrote:
> Patrick Bartek composed on 2017-07-19 10:29 (UTC-0700):
> 
> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
> > etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
> > this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> > anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> 
> > My Test Setup:
> 
> > Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> > Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> > (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
> > added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> 
> > Thanks for any feedback.
> 
> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
> -- 
> "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
> 
>  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
> 
> Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
> 

What does it have to do with his problem? It does not matter which tool
he is using, apt-get, aptitude or apt. And apt-get is far from
obsolete/depreciated tool and is still preferred and well proven tool of
many.

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#183914

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> From: mrmazda@earthlink.net
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Patrick Bartek composed on 2017-07-19 10:29 (UTC-0700):
>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week. Can install apps,
>> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc. I find
>> this unusual. Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn"t find
>> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
>> My Test Setup:
>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
>> Wheezy host. Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
>> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
>> added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
>> Thanks for any feedback.
> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?

But will there be different results with apt upgrade than with apt-get?
After the previous discussion about dist-upgrade I find this confusing.

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#183915

On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 15:18:20 -0400, Fungi4All wrote:

> > From: mrmazda@earthlink.net
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Patrick Bartek composed on 2017-07-19 10:29 (UTC-0700):
> >> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week. Can install apps,
> >> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc. I find
> >> this unusual. Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn"t find
> >> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> >> My Test Setup:
> >> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
> >> Wheezy host. Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
> >> (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
> >> added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
> >> Thanks for any feedback.
> > Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
> 
> But will there be different results with apt upgrade than with apt-get?
> After the previous discussion about dist-upgrade I find this confusing.

There had better not be and probably are not as they use the same code
base to resolve the installation of packages.

One problem that apt solves is that in apt-get the commonly used package
management commands are divided between apt-get and apt-cache. Apt unifies
them. If you see this as an advantage you might consider using it. It is
intended to be used by end-users. apt-get was intended to be used by
end-users, too. Take your pick. Either will keep your system sound.

<Advert> apt has a progress bar <End of advert>.

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#183917

On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 15:49:47 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Fungi4All composed on 2017-07-19 15:18 (UTC-0400):
> 
> >> mrmazda@earthlink.net composed:
> ...
> >> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
> 
> > But will there be different results with apt upgrade than with apt-get?
> 
> Will:	I have no idea.
> 
> Can:	Yes.
> 
> Apt and apt-get are not identical twins.

Those sort of statements are begging for an example of the diferences
with an upgrade or package installation. Will we see it?

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