Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?

From	Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?
Date	2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:48:17 +0200 Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:27 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
> > <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/19/2017 01:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:14:28 +0200 Dejan Jocic
> > > > <jodejka@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> On 19-07-17, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > >>> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can
> > > >>> install apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update
> > > >>> "fixes," etc.  I find this unusual.  Did a mail list archive
> > > >>> search for this, but didn't find anything specific. Or did I
> > > >>> miss the solution?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My Test Setup:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1
> > > >>> on a Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted
> > > >>> to sysvinit (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as
> > > >>> dependencies) and then added xorg, openbox window manager,
> > > >>> etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks for any feedback.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> B
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
> > > > 
> > > > Not installed either by me or the installer
> > > > 
> > > >> If it is installed, it did your updates and security upgrades
> > > >> for you. If you do not like it and want to do manual
> > > >> updates/upgrades, do with root privs:
> > > > 
> > > > I have always done this manually since I first started using
> > > > Debian (Sarge).  And always will.  This is my personal machine.
> > > > 
> > > >> sed -i 's/1/0/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
> > > >>
> > > >> For further reading and understanding:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the reference.  I've been aware of this for a long
> > > > time, but chose not to use it.
> > > > 
> > > > My problem must be something else.
> > > 
> > > You also have packagekit and discover to deal with and who knows
> > > what else. Stopping auto-install is not that difficult, but
> > > stopping auto-update is a problem.
> > 
> > I think you've assumed some things incorrectly.  I did a basic
> > terminal only install with only basic system utilties, the last
> > option on the list.  No Desktop of any kind. No xserver.
> > Packagekit is not installed.  Discover was as a dependency, but I
> > didn't install it explicitly. No auto-install or auto-update
> > either. I converted to sysvinit, but left systemd stuff as
> > dependencies.  Later will install xorg and openbox, etc. for my
> > GUI. This is the same way I installed Wheezy 5 years ago. And it
> > works (and always has) fine.
> > 
> > FWIW, a few months ago, I installed Stretch RC2 the same way to
> > test it and everything worked including apt-get update, upgrade,
> > etc.
> > 
> > So, something is wrong.  And I won't install it for real until I
> > discover what.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> If you have minimal install, why do you suspect that something is
> wrong, rather to suppose that all is fine and that simply there was
> no security updates for your install? It is stable now, and as far as
> i can remember, all those security updates we did have of lately were
> somehow tied for graphical part, plus apache and ngninx. Apart for
> security updates, tough luck of getting some other updates on stable.
> And "everything worked fine" on your install of Stretch RC2 because
> it was still testing and there was much more updates then?

That was my first thought.  And as I used a Stable net-install disk
for my first tests of Stable, the system would have been up-to-date
after the install. But it's been two weeks since that time.  I've added
X, a window manager, utilities, apps, etc.  Based on my past
experience, historically, there should have been some fixes.  I've
never come across any such new release -- Debian or others -- that
didn't need a plethora of fixes in those few days to a month after.  Or
perhaps Stretch is bug free.  Or as I said in another post: Maybe the
maintainers are taking a vacation.

As far as RC2:  I dist-upgraded it to Stable in the course of my tests.
And as soon as it hit stable, apt-get upgrades ceased producing
anything for a week.  So, I downloaded the Stable net-install CD for a
new install to see if there was any differences.

B

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Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 19:30 +0200
  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 20:20 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:10 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:50 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:30 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 08:50 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 08:50 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 18:30 +0200
  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-07-19 20:40 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:30 +0200
  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 21:00 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 21:50 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:30 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 23:10 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 00:30 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 01:20 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-22 23:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:20 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 06:40 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 09:30 +0200
        Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-07-20 13:30 +0200
          Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 16:40 +0200
            Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 19:00 +0200
              Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-07-20 20:20 +0200
                Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 21:50 +0200
                Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 23:00 +0200
                Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-21 01:00 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-07-21 00:00 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-21 21:10 +0200
  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-07-20 08:00 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 07:20 +0200

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