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  Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> - 2016-10-30 17:20 +0100
    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-10-30 17:40 +0100
    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:40 +0100
    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-30 17:50 +0100
      Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> - 2016-10-30 18:00 +0100
        Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-10-30 21:10 +0100
    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-10-30 18:00 +0100
    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-10-30 21:10 +0100
      Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 10:20 +0100
        Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 12:10 +0100
          Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2016-10-31 13:00 +0100
            Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 13:40 +0100
              Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 14:00 +0100
                Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 15:30 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 15:40 +0100
                Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 15:40 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 21:40 +0100
                    Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 00:40 +0100
                      Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-01 11:40 +0100
                        Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 16:00 +0100
                          Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-01 16:30 +0100

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#174042 — Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best. 

What *doesn't* work :-

Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
(9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...

Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
feature. 

I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
relevant.

Thanks, 

Brian. 

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On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:14:51 -0400
brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> wrote:

Hello brian,

>(9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to

Happily prints one copy here.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
An old custom to sell your daughter
Hong Kong Garden - Siouxsie & The Banshees

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#174044

On Sunday 30 October 2016 16:14:51 brian wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
> files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
> program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best.
>
> What *doesn't* work :-
>
> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
>
> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
> feature.
>
> I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
> relevant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.

Can you (or someone) let me have a non-A4 pdf file to test.  All my files seem 
to be A4 in the first place, so I can't test whether they would adjust to 
fit!!  Evince used to do so, but it has lost a lot of what I used to use - or 
I cannot access it.

Lisi

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#174045

On Sunday 30 October 2016 12:14:51 brian wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
> files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
> program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best.
>
> What *doesn't* work :-
>
> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
>
> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
> feature.
>
> I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
> relevant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.

I have used evince for that for quite some time.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#174047

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:47:23 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

>On Sunday 30 October 2016 12:14:51 brian wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
>> files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
>> program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best.
>>
>> What *doesn't* work :-
>>
>> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
>> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
>> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
>> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
>>
>> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
>> feature.
>>
>> I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
>> relevant.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>
>I have used evince for that for quite some time.
>
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thanks everyone. I hadn't previously heard of evince, but I can
confirm that it does do what's needed, and will print single copies. 

(Note to Brad Rogers - no idea why I see the problem and you don't,
but it's 100% reproducible here.)


Brian. 

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On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:55:02 -0400
brian <brian@meadows.pair.com> wrote:

Hello brian,

>(Note to Brad Rogers - no idea why I see the problem and you don't,

Nor me, but the point remains;  It does work, I just have no idea where
to go from there.  Web searches shed no light.   :-(

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
If a thought came in your head it would die of loneliness
I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers

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#174049

On 31/10/16 05:14, brian wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
> files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
> program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best.

qpdfview has a "Fit to page" option in its print dialog under Options / 
Extended Options, but I have not tested it.

> I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
> relevant.

I am running XFCE on 64-bit unstable.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#174062

On 10/30/2016 11:14 AM, brian wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a program which will print PDF
> files **scaling them to fit the page**. This last part is essential! A
> program which just did expansion to fit would be a good second best.
>
> What *doesn't* work :-
>
> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
>
> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
> feature.
>
> I'm running  64-bit testing and XFCE, should anyone feel that's
> relevant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.
>
>
Have you looked at Master PDF Editor 3?

--doug

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#174069

On 10/31/2016 02:01 AM, Doug wrote:

>> What *doesn't* work :-
>>
>> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
>> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
>> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
>> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
>>
>> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
>> feature.
Hi
"fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer 
software.
You may change your cups/printer settings:
http://localhost:631/
Cheers
(other good pdf viewer: Evince)

-- 
Maderios

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#174073

On Monday 31 October 2016 09:15:33 maderios wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 02:01 AM, Doug wrote:
> >> What *doesn't* work :-
> >>
> >> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
> >> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
> >> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
> >> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
> >>
> >> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
> >> feature.
>
> Hi
> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> software.
> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> http://localhost:631/

Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember and 
have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for fitting to 
printable area.

Lisi
> Cheers
> (other good pdf viewer: Evince)

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Hi, Lisi.

On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:

>> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
>> software.
>> You may change your cups/printer settings:
>> http://localhost:631/
> 
> Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember and 
> have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for fitting to 
> printable area.

Maybe it is a "lpr" option:

https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html

(See "Scaling to Fit")


Kind regards,
Daniel

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#174076

On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> Hi, Lisi.
>
> On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> >> software.
> >> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> >> http://localhost:631/
> >
> > Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
> > and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
> > fitting to printable area.
>
> Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
>
> https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
>
> (See "Scaling to Fit")

Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that 
way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying 
that it still does.

Lisi

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#174077

On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
>> Hi, Lisi.
>>
>> On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
>>>> software.
>>>> You may change your cups/printer settings:
>>>> http://localhost:631/
>>>
>>> Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
>>> and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
>>> fitting to printable area.
>>
>> Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
>>
>> https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
>>
>> (See "Scaling to Fit")
>
> Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that
> way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying
> that it still does.
>
> Lisi
>
It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not 
postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like 
evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then 
choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or 
'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.
-- 
Maderios

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#174081

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 13:59:06 +0100, maderios wrote:

> On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> >>Hi, Lisi.
> >>
> >>On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>>>"fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> >>>>software.
> >>>>You may change your cups/printer settings:
> >>>>http://localhost:631/
> >>>
> >>>Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
> >>>and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
> >>>fitting to printable area.
> >>
> >>Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> >>
> >>https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> >>
> >>(See "Scaling to Fit")
> >
> >Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that
> >way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying
> >that it still does.
> >
> >Lisi
> >
> It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like evince,
> firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then choose -> page
> handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or 'none...'. I think it
> is the same for non postscript.

The nature of the printer does not matter. Scaling to Fit with the
"fit-to-page" option is a CUPS feature. It is passed on to the pdftopdf
filter of cups-filters and can be set with lpr or from those
applications which send a file directly to CUPS *without* any previous
manipulation of it.

The 'fit to printable area' option in the print dialogs of GTK
applications such as evince is handled by the GTK printing subsystem
with Cairo. Cairo manipulates the file to achieve fitting the image to
the printable area *before* it gets sent to CUPS.

Okular does not manipulate a file in an evince-like way. It sends the
CUPS "fit-to-page" option with every job, but, as observed, there is no
"fit-to-page" option in its print dialog to switch it on and off. This
is probably the subject of bug report somewhere.

-- 
Brian.

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#174083

On Monday 31 October 2016 14:24:50 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 13:59:06 +0100, maderios wrote:
> > On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> > >>Hi, Lisi.
> > >>
> > >>On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >>>>"fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not
> > >>>> printer software.
> > >>>>You may change your cups/printer settings:
> > >>>>http://localhost:631/
> > >>>
> > >>>Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I
> > >>> remember and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but
> > >>> not one for fitting to printable area.
> > >>
> > >>Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> > >>
> > >>https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> > >>
> > >>(See "Scaling to Fit")
> > >
> > >Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it
> > > that way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are
> > > saying that it still does.
> > >
> > >Lisi
> >
> > It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> > postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> > evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> > choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> > 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.
>
> The nature of the printer does not matter. Scaling to Fit with the
> "fit-to-page" option is a CUPS feature. It is passed on to the pdftopdf
> filter of cups-filters and can be set with lpr or from those
> applications which send a file directly to CUPS *without* any previous
> manipulation of it.
>
> The 'fit to printable area' option in the print dialogs of GTK
> applications such as evince is handled by the GTK printing subsystem
> with Cairo. Cairo manipulates the file to achieve fitting the image to
> the printable area *before* it gets sent to CUPS.
>
> Okular does not manipulate a file in an evince-like way. It sends the
> CUPS "fit-to-page" option with every job, but, as observed, there is no
> "fit-to-page" option in its print dialog to switch it on and off. This
> is probably the subject of bug report somewhere.

Thanks for that, Brian.  It is nice to have an explanation.

Lisi

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#174082

On Monday 31 October 2016 12:59:06 maderios wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> >> Hi, Lisi.
> >>
> >> On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>>> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> >>>> software.
> >>>> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> >>>> http://localhost:631/
> >>>
> >>> Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I
> >>> remember and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not
> >>> one for fitting to printable area.
> >>
> >> Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> >>
> >> https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> >>
> >> (See "Scaling to Fit")
> >
> > Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it
> > that way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are
> > saying that it still does.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.

Thank you.  I'll start watching.  The "trouble" is that computers are 
sometimes intelligent little beasties, and I very rarely want to print 
anything that isn't A4 in the first place - so when I am not always offered 
the chance to adjust the size it may be because it isn't necessary!  I _do_ 
get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.

Lisi

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#174096

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 14:33:19 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 31 October 2016 12:59:06 maderios wrote:
> >
> > It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> > postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> > evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> > choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> > 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.
> 
> Thank you.  I'll start watching.  The "trouble" is that computers are 
> sometimes intelligent little beasties, and I very rarely want to print 
> anything that isn't A4 in the first place - so when I am not always offered 
> the chance to adjust the size it may be because it isn't necessary!  I _do_ 
> get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.

You final sentence is what interests me.

What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?

Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.

-- 
Brian. 

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#174107

On Monday 31 October 2016 20:34:32 Brian wrote:
> I _do_
>
> > get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.
>
> You final sentence is what interests me.
>
> What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?
>
> Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.

Portrait is the default.  If I do not ask it to turn a landscape image round, 
a high percentage of it will be outside the printing area and I would have 
tramlines at the top and bottom of the page.

Put a landscape image over the top of a portrait oriented sheet of paper and 
you'll see what I mean.

Lisi

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#174115

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 23:38:36 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 31 October 2016 20:34:32 Brian wrote:
> > I _do_
> >
> > > get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.
> >
> > You final sentence is what interests me.
> >
> > What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?
> >
> > Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.
> 
> Portrait is the default.  If I do not ask it to turn a landscape image round, 
> a high percentage of it will be outside the printing area and I would have 
> tramlines at the top and bottom of the page.
> 
> Put a landscape image over the top of a portrait oriented sheet of paper and 
> you'll see what I mean.

I understand what you mean. If we are still talking in the context of
Evince, the "Landscape" and "Portrait" options are handled by Cairo, not
CUPS. If you select "Landscape", Cairo rotates *every" page in the PDF
by 90 degrees if the page width is *less* than the height. If you had a
842x595 sized pages they would not be rotated. Effectively, the option
does nothing. Or rather - it doesn't do what you think it does.

But (you say). the printout is OK. That's because you have the "Auto
Rotate and Centre" option ticked. Nothing to do with "Landscape"
selected.

Even if you forgot to tick "Auto Rotate and Centre" and sent a 842x595
page to the printer it will still be printed correctly because the
pdftopdf filter of cups-filters automatically rotates landscape pages by
90 degrees before printing.

-- 
Brian.

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On Tuesday 01 November 2016 10:30:54 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 23:38:36 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 31 October 2016 20:34:32 Brian wrote:
> > > I _do_
> > >
> > > > get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.
> > >
> > > You final sentence is what interests me.
> > >
> > > What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?
> > >
> > > Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.
> >
> > Portrait is the default.  If I do not ask it to turn a landscape image
> > round, a high percentage of it will be outside the printing area and I
> > would have tramlines at the top and bottom of the page.
> >
> > Put a landscape image over the top of a portrait oriented sheet of paper
> > and you'll see what I mean.
>
> I understand what you mean. If we are still talking in the context of
> Evince, the "Landscape" and "Portrait" options are handled by Cairo, not
> CUPS. If you select "Landscape", Cairo rotates *every" page in the PDF
> by 90 degrees if the page width is *less* than the height. If you had a
> 842x595 sized pages they would not be rotated. Effectively, the option
> does nothing. Or rather - it doesn't do what you think it does.
>
> But (you say). the printout is OK. That's because you have the "Auto
> Rotate and Centre" option ticked. Nothing to do with "Landscape"
> selected.
>
> Even if you forgot to tick "Auto Rotate and Centre" and sent a 842x595
> page to the printer it will still be printed correctly because the
> pdftopdf filter of cups-filters automatically rotates landscape pages by
> 90 degrees before printing.

It must be my printer that is doing it then.  I agree that if the image will fit I am asked nothing.  But if I have a landscape A4 image I am asked if I want it rotated to portrait.

My current Evince has gone mad anyway and I have not yet battled it.  I am just using kpdf-trinity most of the time.  I rarely need to do more to a pdf than read it.  I can't check what the default ticks in Evince are because I can't currently get at any of the settings.  I have altered nothing in it.  I can't get at it!!

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